Exactamundo!
--- In [email protected], Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote:
>
> Everything is an opportunity to awaken, to let the notion of self collapse
> under its contradictions allowing the weather to be felt in ever changing
> wonder.
>
> The monks did not notice this opportunity, and not every bloke in the
> states notices it either, but the opportunities are as endless as our
> complaints.
>
> Thanks,
> --Chris
> 301-270-6524
> On Mar 30, 2013 6:41 AM, "Edgar Owen" <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > If that were true every bloke in America would be enlightened - at least
> > in the summer time.
> >
> > Get real!
> >
> > Edgar
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 30, 2013, at 2:09 AM, mike wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill!, Joe,
> >
> > I was using the expression (with Siska) to express the idea that you'll
> > know you've (unquestionably) experienced Buddha Nature the same way you
> > know your iced-tea is cold when you sip it on a hot summer's day
> > (paraphrasing the old story). There's nothing metaphysical about it. I
> > think it's a bit silly (to be honest!) to talk about Buddha Nature not
> > "knowing" if a drink is hot or cold. Buddha Nature is not some objective
> > noun 'out here', but operates thru us. Hot and cold maybe relative, but
> > you'll certainly know if your soup is hot if you drop it in your lap!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > The Cleary translation is pretty much the same except the last response.
> > It is, "When it's cold, the cold kills you, when it's hot, the heat kills
> > you."
> > >
> > > The translation I used was from Jivacandra, a zen blogger from San
> > Francisco. I don't know much about him but just wanted a version of the
> > koan I could cut and paste. His translation seemed to express the same
> > message to me - and that is when realizing Buddha Nature you are just
> > experiencing. There is no cold, no heat - Just THIS!
> > >
> > > ...Bill!
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bill!,
> > > >
> > > > It's nice. Is that the Cleary? (transl.).
> > > >
> > > > We practiced it in Tucson (seriously) with Pat Hawk Roshi, as:
> > > >
> > > > "KILL yourself with heat and cold".
> > > >
> > > > --Joe
> > > >
> > > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > > The koan that's closest to what I think you want is Case 43 in THE
> > BLUE CLIFF RECORD - Tung Shan's No Cold or Heat
> > > > >
> > > > > "A monk asked Tung-shan, "When cold and heat come, how can we avoid
> > them?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Tung-shan said, "Why don't you go to the place where there is no
> > cold and no heat?"
> > > > >
> > > > > The monk said, "What is the place where there is no cold and no
> > heat?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Tung-shan replied, "When cold comes, cold completes the monk; when
> > heat comes, heat totals the monk.""
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Siska,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are one stubborn Bodhisattva.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tasting warm or cold is "knowing" by the tongue. Are you the
> > tongue?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All other knowings are fraudulent. Two-plus-two? Has no taste at
> > all. It doesn't even stink.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS Classic Zen story may be a koan. Let me look in Mumonkan. It
> > has to do of course with drinking water and knowing for oneself whether it
> > is warm or cold. Maybe Mumonkan Case One. Let's both see. Thanks if you'll
> > tell us a better translation than "know". Anyway, "know" is jake with me,
> > and everything else is then a scaled-down "know", begging to be called so.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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