Chris, Well said....
Edgar On Mar 30, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > Everything is an opportunity to awaken, to let the notion of self collapse > under its contradictions allowing the weather to be felt in ever changing > wonder. > > The monks did not notice this opportunity, and not every bloke in the states > notices it either, but the opportunities are as endless as our complaints. > > Thanks, > --Chris > 301-270-6524 > On Mar 30, 2013 6:41 AM, "Edgar Owen" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Mike, > > If that were true every bloke in America would be enlightened - at least in > the summer time. > > Get real! > > Edgar > > > > On Mar 30, 2013, at 2:09 AM, mike wrote: > >> >> Bill!, Joe, >> >> I was using the expression (with Siska) to express the idea that you'll know >> you've (unquestionably) experienced Buddha Nature the same way you know your >> iced-tea is cold when you sip it on a hot summer's day (paraphrasing the old >> story). There's nothing metaphysical about it. I think it's a bit silly (to >> be honest!) to talk about Buddha Nature not "knowing" if a drink is hot or >> cold. Buddha Nature is not some objective noun 'out here', but operates thru >> us. Hot and cold maybe relative, but you'll certainly know if your soup is >> hot if you drop it in your lap! >> >> Mike >> >> --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: >> > >> > Joe, >> > >> > The Cleary translation is pretty much the same except the last response. >> > It is, "When it's cold, the cold kills you, when it's hot, the heat kills >> > you." >> > >> > The translation I used was from Jivacandra, a zen blogger from San >> > Francisco. I don't know much about him but just wanted a version of the >> > koan I could cut and paste. His translation seemed to express the same >> > message to me - and that is when realizing Buddha Nature you are just >> > experiencing. There is no cold, no heat - Just THIS! >> > >> > ...Bill! >> > >> > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: >> > > >> > > Bill!, >> > > >> > > It's nice. Is that the Cleary? (transl.). >> > > >> > > We practiced it in Tucson (seriously) with Pat Hawk Roshi, as: >> > > >> > > "KILL yourself with heat and cold". >> > > >> > > --Joe >> > > >> > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Joe, >> > > > >> > > > The koan that's closest to what I think you want is Case 43 in THE >> > > > BLUE CLIFF RECORD - Tung Shan's No Cold or Heat >> > > > >> > > > "A monk asked Tung-shan, "When cold and heat come, how can we avoid >> > > > them?" >> > > > >> > > > Tung-shan said, "Why don't you go to the place where there is no cold >> > > > and no heat?" >> > > > >> > > > The monk said, "What is the place where there is no cold and no heat?" >> > > > >> > > > Tung-shan replied, "When cold comes, cold completes the monk; when >> > > > heat comes, heat totals the monk."" >> > > > >> > > > ...Bill! >> > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Siska, >> > > > > >> > > > > You are one stubborn Bodhisattva. >> > > > > >> > > > > Tasting warm or cold is "knowing" by the tongue. Are you the tongue? >> > > > > >> > > > > All other knowings are fraudulent. Two-plus-two? Has no taste at >> > > > > all. It doesn't even stink. >> > > > > >> > > > > --Joe >> > > > > >> > > > > PS Classic Zen story may be a koan. Let me look in Mumonkan. It has >> > > > > to do of course with drinking water and knowing for oneself whether >> > > > > it is warm or cold. Maybe Mumonkan Case One. Let's both see. Thanks >> > > > > if you'll tell us a better translation than "know". Anyway, "know" >> > > > > is jake with me, and everything else is then a scaled-down "know", >> > > > > begging to be called so. >> > > >> > >> > > > > >
