Hi Bill, Yes, it was my perception that he always talk about Buddha Nature and that only....
My error, Siska -----Original Message----- From: "Bill!" <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 08:35:41 To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Nice Quote Siska, Rumi is just describing what happens to all of us - phasing in and out of awareness of Buddha Nature. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, siska_cen@... wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > > As you'll soon find out Edgar and I have almost the polar opposite opinion > > on just about everything. > > Yes, it amazes me sometimes that you two are, in fact, co-moderators of this > forum :-P > > Your interpretation below was how I understood the poem too. But because I > thought it was supposed to be all about Buddha Nature, the part after waves > broke didn't make sense to me. It's not Buddha Nature... > > I guess I had pre-conceived ideas about Rumi's poems ;-) > > > Siska > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> > Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 07:41:22 > To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Zen] Nice Quote > > Siska, > As you'll soon find out Edgar and I have almost the polar opposite > opinion on just about everything. In fact he'll probably disagree with > this statement ;>) and will certainly jump all over the rest of this > post. > Rumi's poem/metaphor was: > I looked for my self,But my self was gone.The boundaries of my beingHad > disappeared in the sea.Waves broke. Awareness rose again.And a voice > returned me to myself.It always happens like this.Sea turns on itself > and foams,And with every foaming bit another body.Another being takes > form.And when the sea sends word,Each foaming body melts back to > ocean-breath.- Rumi > I can just imagine Rumi standing on the beach watching the waves form, > come rhythmically in, crash upon the beach and then spend themselves by > slipping back into the sea - losing himself in Buddha Nature and later > composing this poem. My interpretation of it is: > I looked for my self,But my self was gone.The boundaries of my beingHad > disappeared in the sea. > Rumi is describing the holistic experience of Buddha Nature. The > illusion of dualism has vanished and his illusion of 'self' as something > independent and apart from everything else has vanished with it. It has > vanished into sea which is a metaphor for emptiness. > Waves broke. Awareness rose again.And a voice returned me to myself.It > always happens like this. > Dualism returns. His holistic experience of Buddha Nature has been > interrupted and his illusion of self has returned. This alternation > between holism and dualism, between emptiness and self happens > regularly, much like the waves surging rhythmically upon the beach. > Sea turns on itself and foams,And with every foaming bit another > body.Another being takes form. > Now that he is abiding in dualism all other illusions, perceptions, > thoughts, etc..., of all other (10,000) things appear. > And when the sea sends word,Each foaming body melts back to > ocean-breath. > But when he returns again to Buddha Nature all these illusions melt back > into emptiness. > That's my reading of this anyway. It will be interesting to see what > Edgar comes up with although I think I could almost write it for him... > ...Bill! > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > I followed until: "Waves broke". > > > > The rest is a bit confusing. It's as if the 'self' is back. > > > > Siska > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Bill!" BillSmart@ > > Sender: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:04:29 > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > Reply-To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Zen] Nice Quote > > > > > > ..Bill! > > >