it's simply ying and yang...night/ day...
as for karma...... good question..good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people where's the karma rama drama in that? merle Mike, Let's set aside a discussion of what you call "simple cause and effect" for now, and instead focus on your post below. First you say "Karma isn't some cosmic law-giver dispensing justice based on good or bad acts" I wholeheartedly agree with that...BUT then you say "If you think and/or do unwholesome deeds, then suffering will follow you like night follows day (and vice-versa)". So you first say karma has nothing to do with justice (fairness in applying law) or good/bad acts and good/bad consequences, but then go onto say if you do bad things you'll suffer. That's a non sequitur at best and just plain contradictory and inconsistent at worst. If you do good things you may suffer too. If you do bad things you may not. How does that fit into your 'logic'? You then go on to use an inappropriate simile saying these effects of karma is "like night follows day (and vice-versa)". Night does not 'cause' day, and day does not 'cause' night. No one I know of would seriously say that night and day have a cause-and-effect relationship. Night and day are perceived as asynchronous, serial, and in this case cyclic events. Also, as I said in my previous post, if karma does exist, and a good/bad action (cause) results in a corresponding good/bad effect (as you have said it doesn't but then said it does); and as all good Buddhists believe karma can accumulate and even persist through rebirth/reincarnation, to WHAT are the effects of karma attached? Riddle me that. One last thing...if you ever do want to have a discussion on just plain old cause-and-effect please remember your inappropriate simili above of "like night follows day (and vice-versa)". In a discussion on the human perception of cause-and-effect it will then indeed be very appropriate. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@... wrote: > > Bill!,<br/><br/>You don't have to "believe" in karma: you can see its effects > everywhere. Karma isn't some cosmic law-giver dispensing justice based on > good or bad acts. It's just simple cause and effect. If you think and/or do > unwholesome deeds, then suffering will follow you like night follows day (and > vice-versa). You can see that in operation in your own life, surely? It's > rational and not some weird, spiritual thing. Simple cause, effect and > conditions.<br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad >
