Chris,
Well, if you mention Zen, or set about to analogize it, it is only from the
point of view of Zen Mind, or No Mind, that one has any inkling of what is
meant by Zen.
Otherwise, if one mentions Zen, anything goes, to the extent it goes anywhere
accurately.
I think the appreciations of Math are fine, as far as they go, as appreciations
of Math; I question the connection with Zen, unless the connection is truly in
some "connection" with Zen Mind / No Mind.
What we read about and practice as Zen, is not Zen Mind. It is the necessary
Zen study, and Zen practice. That's the small difference I mean to bring out.
I don't dispute however that Soto Zen Buddhists claim that Zazen is already the
expression of our true nature, nor do I dispute the content of that claim. But
only an awakened adept practitioner (e.g., Dogen) makes this claim and
identification honestly, and accurately.
Meanwhile, and afterwards, there's Practice!
For me too.
Plenty enough math, also.
best,
--Joe
> Chris Austin-Lane <chris@...> wrote:
>
> I wasn't talking about enlightenment however, was I?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Joe <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Except... that has nothing to do with awakening in Zen, which is "having
> > nothing". That's not just the experience of "Wu", ("mu"), when one
> > experiences it, but continues endlessly, until it's covered-up again
> > eventually, which always happens.
> >
> > I think infinities and epsilons in math have good applicability as
> > metaphors to, or of, features of operation of Zen Mind / No Mind. Maybe
> > best applicability.
> >
> > Just weighing-in, vis-a-vis "math".
> >
> > I wrote here already that one finds oneself doing math in a different way
> > in the awakened state, compared with previously. It can still be done.
> > But it is so, so different (an experience). I survived, somehow. My job
> > depended on it. And I took another (part-time) job during those eight
> > weeks of the continuation of the first opening. One finds space and time
> > for things one can help in, that's for sure. It could be good to find a
> > way to check (stop) oneself from over-extending, but I don't know how.
> > Probably a married householder parent will have no problem, thanks to
> > plenty of cooperative or competing influence.
> >
> > --Joe
> >
> > > Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for zen is that it
> > > shows how two different things csn br exactly the same.
> > >
> > > Linear equations over reals are lines. Lines are linear equations.
> > > Numbers, points, the constituents drop away as the eternal unity is seen.
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