bill..i disagree..mathematics, art and music... no i will not include esperanto..you have to learn that and an australian aboriginal would not have this opportunity...that's one example... explain to me why maths art and music are not "universal languages"..i might just include architecture as well... i fail to see your logic in this and realisation and awakening also is universal as it comes from deep inside the very core of one's being merle Merle,
In your list of universal languages you forgot to mention Esperanto. ;>) Seriously though, all the "languages" (modes of communication) you mentioned (math, art and music) are not 'universal'. You might be able to stretch them to 'human-wide', but I think it would stop there. You might be able to mount an argument for music having some communicative qualities to other species, less so for art but none at all for math. Once again, and as usual...IMO! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  mathematics is a universal language as is art and music..merle >  > PBS, > > Math, logic, reason like all delusions should come with the caveat 'suitable > for everyday use'. As a universal human language to communicate our logical > concepts it's very useful, but it should never be mistaken for reality. > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <pandabananasock@> wrote: > > > > Bill!: > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking for an > > impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you back to > > the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, then we > > use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize that both are > > models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses all -- no > > need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and mountains > > again! > > ~PeeBeeEss > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and > > Karma > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > > the act itself. > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > > Links > > > > > >   zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
