Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jul 4, 2013 5:57 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiit...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > mathematics is beautiful because it is logical
How is it logical that numbers and equations are jusy exactly lines? The beauty is there because the true connections defy logic. One just sits back and gasps in wonder. There's better examples but they need more than plan text to write. Euler's formula, Cauchy integral formulae, fundamental group of a surface. Even Galois theory. Shocking connections between the most distant things. Certainly not like just sitting, but also mot really like making up a story to go along with putting everything in little buckets of good or bad. IMO > > logic is beautiful because it is so pointing to the truth > > truth is so beautiful because it points and parts the way for realisation to take place .. > > merle > > > Edgar, > > Reality is not bound by logic. I'd buy your statement if you said 'math words because it accurately models our logically-based perception of reality', but I suppose that wouldn't work for you. > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > No, no, no. Human math works because it DOES accurately model the actual logic of reality. > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > Mathematics doesn't reveal reality. Mathematics only mirrors the human intellect. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane <chris@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The thing I like about math as a source of analogies for zen is that it > > > > shows how two different things csn br exactly the same. > > > > > > > > Linear equations over reals are lines. Lines are linear equations. > > > > Numbers, points, the constituents drop away as the eternal unity is seen. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Chris > > > > 301-270-6524 > > > > On Jul 3, 2013 8:12 AM, <pandabananasock@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bill!: > > > > > You're gonna ignore the math? I thought you said you were looking for an > > > > > impersonal language a couple posts ago... :D > > > > > > > > > > The thing about using math that way is that eventually it leads you back > > > > > to the beginning. We use mathematics as an expression of the model, then > > > > > we use the model as an expression of the math. Then we realize that both > > > > > are models of each other and the same, and experience encompasses all -- no > > > > > need for anything else. Rivers and mountains become rivers and mountains > > > > > again! > > > > > ~PeeBeeEss > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > On Wed, 7/3/13, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Say Bye-Bye to the Delusion of Cause-and-Effect and > > > > > Karma > > > > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 3, 2013, 8:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > PBS (That's going to be my TLA (Three > > > > > Letter Acronym) for Pandabananasock from now on)... > > > > > > > > > > I'll ignore all the math but do agree that JUST IF there is > > > > > such a think that could be called 'karma' it's not so much a > > > > > moralistic cause-and-effect as it is an intrinsic quality of > > > > > the act itself. > > > > > > > > > > But, I'll continue to poo-poo all claims of karma. > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, > > > > > pandabananasock@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most people think of "1+1=2" as procedural, that is, > > > > > that there is 1, THEN we add 1 to it, THEN it becomes > > > > > 2. They would regard "2=1+1" and "2=2" to be different > > > > > equations, but they are not in the least bit > > > > > different. The equal-sign is the present. > > > > > > "1+1" is already 2! And the effect IS the > > > > > cause. Your karmic punishment for doing something > > > > > "bad" is you doing that "bad" thing. Your karmic > > > > > reward for doing something "good" is you doing that "good" > > > > > thing. Forget the come-back-to-bite-you BS! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:58 AM EDT Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have > > > > > read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > > > > > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
