Awesome work John! I didn't realize you had a pull request in flight. We should have a chit chat at some point; I've also been working on a wrapper library on top of jzmq that has similar ideas.
-Trev On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:31 PM, John Watson <jkwat...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is a pull request in effect on the jeromq project. I'm continually > adding to it. The more I work on things, the more it feels like we need > some higher-level abstractions. > > A couple of ideas: > 1) Maybe we should ask the context to createDealer() (for example) and > have it return a Dealer object, with only the functionality that makes sense > for Dealer sockets. [repeat for other socket types] > 2) So far, the jzmq project & the corresponding code in jeromq have been > striving to be pretty close analogues to the CZMQ code. I don't believe > that this is really the best way to approach things. I propose that we > design a high-level, modern, java-centric API that makes it really easy for > developers to get in the game. Certainly there is much to be learned from > the way that CZMQ was built and the facilities that it provides, but, at its > core, it is a c API, not a java API. > > As I'm mostly a zeromq newb, it's going to take me a while to sort out what > will really be the best way to go. Those who have used zeromq via java can > definitely provide a lot of value here. When you implemented a real-life > project that used zeromq, what wrappers, higher-level abstractions did you > create? That's the kind of stuff that will be invaluable. > > My goal, stated in a Pieter-style "one-liner": Make the java API attractive > enough that Bob Lee will want to use it internally at Square for all their > messaging needs. > > John > > ps. Bob Lee, if you're on this list, and Square is already using zeromq, > your experiences will definitely be invaluable! :) > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:29 PM, John Watson <jkwat...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sounds great, Trev. As soon as I have something roughed out, I'll send a >> pull request to the main jeromq project for perusal. >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Trevor Bernard <trevor.bern...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I am in favour of this idea as well. Also, releasing stable builds to >>> central would be a major plus. I'd be more than happy to donate my >>> time for this effort. >>> >>> -Trev >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM, John Watson <jkwat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Pieter Hintjens <p...@imatix.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I'd encourage you to look at CZMQ and at least use some common >>> >> >>> >> terminology, if you don't map to similar classes. The key features >>> >> which help a lot are: >>> >> >>> >> * message = list of frames >>> >> * attached threads, connected by 'pipes' >>> >> * automatic closing of sockets when context is destroyed >>> >> * context-level linger option >>> >> >>> >> I'm also thinking of writing a class to hide zmq_poll and do that more >>> >> neatly, e.g. manage tickless timers automatically. >>> > >>> > >>> > Excellent ideas. I'm pretty much a zeromq newb, still working through >>> > the >>> > guide. Initially I was quite turned off by the java APIs, which is why >>> > I >>> > want to make them more idiomatic. >>> > >>> > Anyone else using the java APIs (either jzmq or jeromq) who can provide >>> > me >>> > pain points from in the trenches will definitely help with the API >>> > design. >>> > >>> > My plan is to do this incrementally. First, I'll work on "modernizing" >>> > the >>> > existing API (get rid of int flags, use Collections instead of arrays, >>> > make >>> > it more OO, etc), then, once I have a better handle on the bigger >>> > picture >>> > (and have studied CZMQ), I'll start layering higher level abstractions >>> > on >>> > top. >>> > >>> > If anyone has suggestions or ideas, please let me know. You can also >>> > follow >>> > along on my progress in my jeromq fork on github. I'm jkwatson over >>> > there. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > John >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > zeromq-dev mailing list >>> > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org >>> > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> zeromq-dev mailing list >>> zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org >>> http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > zeromq-dev mailing list > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > _______________________________________________ zeromq-dev mailing list zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org http://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev
