Timh Bergström wrote:
> 2008/10/10 Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> Timh Bergström wrote:
>>     
>>> 2008/10/9 Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Miles Nordin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> catastrophically.  If this is really the situation, then ZFS needs to
>>>>> give the sysadmin a way to isolate and fix the problems
>>>>> deterministically before filling the pool with data, not just blame
>>>>> the sysadmin based on nebulous speculatory hindsight gremlins.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if it's NOT the case, the ZFS problems need to be acknowledged and
>>>>> fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Can you provide any supportive evidence that ZFS is as fragile as you
>>>> describe?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> The hundreds of sysadmins seeing their pools go byebye after normal
>>> operations in a production environment is evidence enough. And the
>>> number of times people like Victor have saved our asses.
>>>
>>>       
>> Hundreds?  Do you have evidence of this?
>>     
>
> One is one to many, I dont need evidence of hundreds - that is
> hopefully an exaggeration.
>
>   

Don't show up to a data fight without data :-/
Yes, we do track this information and guys like me analyze it.
The ratio of installed base to problem reports for ZFS is quite high.
When we see a trend, we adjust priorities to address it.  This is just
part of our overall quality program.

Which brings me to the required mantra, if you don't file a bug or
make a service call, the problem doesn't get tracked.  Please make
the effort so that we can prioritize the use of our limited resources.
Posting a fine whine on this (or any) forum is not guaranteed to result
in an entry in our problem tracking system -- someone has to put in
the extra effort, or it will fall into the silent complainant category.
Please help us to improve the quality of our systems, thanks.
 -- richard

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