Hi Martin, all,
Martin Hollmichel schrieb:
Hi Bernhard,
Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Hi Jens, Nik, all
thanks for joining this task and for uploading your drafts.
I'd like to comment on both of your designs and add a few thoughts
not mentioned before (at least not here on this list):
Jens: Your app icons look great, but I don't think we should change
them in such a radical way with a minor release. If people don't
recognize their applications and files, they might become upset...
I find them interesting as well. On some colors the seagulls could
have some more contrast...
Representing the different file formats with other symbols might be a
good idea (we should involve UX in that question), even if they are
quite abstracted.
I think the document icons should looks somehow like document, the
shape you choose seem also too abstract for me.
But for the present question there is one point to mention: ODF is
not eye-catching at all - in fact, you have to search a bit to find
the letters (this refers to both of your uploaded icons).
Maybe this is the idea behind this, one day the users may associate
that shape with ODF, but I have to admit that I'm a bit septic in this
aspect ;-)
For the moment, the goal with the new icons is to improve user knowledge
about ODF - that's the reason why "ODF" is so prominent on the icons
Stella designed.
These icons might fit to a more general update to OpenOffice.org - when
users know about ODF already (perhaps with OOo4?)
[...]
Even if I'm not able to design as high quality icons as you both, I
uploaded what I think might be a basis of icons that could be used by
other applications too:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:BeDipp#personal_sandbox
but these still contain the seagulls ?!
my understanding from what you've said is: ODF document icons should
have no seagulls, the app icons should have them.
Sorry, if I've not been clear enough:
I still want application related symbols on the icons - they can be less
prominent than the ODF eye-catcher, but removing them from Stellas
iconset was one of the points I disagreed (besides the loss of file
format related colors).
I nearly don't mind the application on files that stay unchanged:
Browser, viewer, player and so on. In these case the file format is the
only important information.
But if files are going to be modified, the application becomes important
to the user:
It makes really a difference if I work on an image with MS paint or
GIMP. Same with Writer or gedit on a TXT file.
And because of the different features of the ODF supporting applications
I'd like to know if a double click opens my ODT file in Writer or any
other app.
Therefore I'd liek to keep the gull (or any other OOo representing
symbol) on the document icons.
And I can imagine other applications switching easier to a general ODF
icon set, if they can add their app symbol to these icons.
And: do we really need to go with the OASIS yellow or violet ? On that
yellow I don't like either black or white letters, and the violet
color doesn't seem to work with black Letters.
Why do you need black or white on the colored area?
Why don't stay with the combination of yellow and violet?
These colors are used for representing OASIS ODF since I got notice of
ODF. They are quite unique on the desktop, and in combination they are
eye-catching.
I don't see a reason for OASIS to skip these colors (perhaps in favor of
a blue that is quite similar to the OASIS blue group), but I didn't ask
them yet.
Best regards
Bernhard
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