Hi copyu, On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 12:40:47 +0000 co...@sdf.org wrote:
> Hmm... where to start. > > At least BSD side, a lot of people *are* LGBT. Most people are quiet > about their personal life so I won't advertise that fact, but at least > Kirk McKusick (author of BSD FFS, FreeBSD) is very open about his > relationship with Eric Allman (author of sendmail). > Is it surprising that they get upset if you spew hatred against LGBT > people? > I don't advocate unjust hatred against anyone. > Eric S. Raymond has to ask himself why he hasn't needed to know that > contributors are women. My own name is unambigiously female. If > you've seen a single commit or reply by me, you already know that I'm > probably a woman. Usually on github/etc. I see a username and a pseudonym and sometimes a small user pic (which like mine at https://github.com/shlomif is not my real face). I received some issue reports and pull-reqs from ppl (and some requests for assistance via email) and some of them had feminine names but I normally was not sure. I didn't care this way or the other too much. (Also see https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#guy_or_girl .) > > In a tight-knit community, it's really hard to miss big aspects about a > person. I know my friends are gay because they mentioned their partners > names which were unambigiously gendered. They also go together to > conferences. I know my friend is trans because she discussed the travel > difficulties following changing her legal documents. > > What happened is that Linus Torvalds finally realized that when he > sends an email to the Linux mailing lists, there's at least a few > hundred readers. > It would be far more beneficial to the project if he toned it down > with the abuse. > Seeing another person abused is like hearing your dad scream at your mom. > Yes, you're not the one taking the abuse, but it makes your home life > miserable. > I wrote this mostly unpublicised post - https://github.com/shlomif/Call-for-a-fork-of-the-Linux-kernel-devs-community about two months before Linus' announcement calling for a community with a more friendly and respectful conduct. I didn't refer to the pandora box of racist/sexist/affiliation discrimination or insults (which I do not accuse Linus of ever succumbing to) just general personal attacks. > I've been rude to others as well and it has occurred to me that as one > of the loudest people in NetBSD, I make a big difference in the overall > tone in discussions. I'm replying to hundreds of bugs made by people who > otherwise see little interaction with developers. If their experience is > positive and they are treated with respect, they are more likely to make > an effort in the future. It's my obligation to the project to leave and > calm down when I get upset. I agree. See what I wrote at https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/1021089751741419521 . There are also some great tips here: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2007/02/19/seven-steps-to-remarkable-customer-service/ . -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ List of Text Editors and IDEs - http://shlom.in/IDEs Some people were allocating memory before it was cool. These people are called heapsters. (via ZadYree) Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . _______________________________________________ Discussions mailing list Discussions@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussions
