Thank you, Sarah. I hope that subjects like this will be part of the discussion in Washington, whether I get to go or not. (I have applied, but I'm an old white male so….)
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> wrote: > Exactly. IRC is for the old school and ubergeek. And as Sue has said in the > past - we're only going to "retain" specific types of people to be long term > editors (ubergeeks like us) but, if we can figure out a solution to help out > the "average joe/sphine" editor... > > then huzzah. That's what the Teahouse helped do, but what is the next step > to supporting people who haven't quite passed the barrier to "editing" > Wikipedia. > > And expecting people to want to "join the ranks" through OTRS emails surely > isn't the ultimate goal.. > > -Sarah > > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Michael J. Lowrey <orangem...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> That's exactly my point, Pine. This kind of inside-baseball geekery is >> so much Choctaw to the ordinary new editor we are trying to recruit >> and retain, people more likely to be using Pinterest or Skype or >> Ravelry to communicate with peers and mentors. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > You might be surprised how widely and how much Freenode is used for open >> > source projects. The Blender main and dev channels were even more active >> > than English Wikipedia's equivalents when I visited a few days ago. >> > Pine >> > >> > On Aug 2, 2014 6:38 PM, "Michael J. Lowrey" <orangem...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> IRC is almost embarrassingly old technology; Wikimedia Foundation >> >> projects are the only place I've seen it mentioned in the last five >> >> years or more. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > We already have #wikipedia-en-help which is remarkably good for a >> >> > volunteer >> >> > help project. Links to join that IRC channel could be offered in >> >> > multiple >> >> > places. Other languages may have similar channels. >> >> > >> >> > Pine >> >> > >> >> > On Aug 2, 2014 8:42 AM, "Jeremy Baron" <jer...@tuxmachine.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 2, 2014 11:01 AM, "LtPowers" <ltpowers_w...@rochester.rr.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > And then there could be a little chat window allowing real-time >> >> >> > communication while the editor walks through her first edit. >> >> >> >> >> >> [originally didn't realize who you were replying to… also haven't >> >> >> read >> >> >> the >> >> >> whole thread yet] >> >> >> >> >> >> That is technically feasible. Maybe would have new implications for >> >> >> privacy (including WMF privacy policy). Unless the realtime chats >> >> >> were >> >> >> publicly logged. (then same privacy as existing teahouse, etc) >> >> >> >> >> >> Essentially would be a more interactive version of teahouse? (i.e. >> >> >> shorter >> >> >> wait for a reply and you're paired with someone that's known to be >> >> >> available >> >> >> at that moment) would be a part of teahouse? >> >> >> >> >> >> How would you staff it? Shifts? >> >> >> >> >> >> Anyway, that does nothing for the case Kathleen describes. 25 people >> >> >> (20f:5m) in a class and everyone getting that introduction to all >> >> >> things >> >> >> wiki. Then 7 stay active for a year including all the men. (and only >> >> >> 2 >> >> >> of >> >> >> the 20 women) >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm leaning towards thinking we as a community should (for now) >> >> >> focus >> >> >> more >> >> >> on the retention gap than the recruitment gap. Then we're not >> >> >> recruiting >> >> >> people just to (mostly) lose them in a month or two. But would be >> >> >> interested >> >> >> to hear thoughts on that from someone with a more rigorous analysis. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Jeremy (jeremyb) >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. http://www.onthemedia.org/story/31-race-swap-experiment/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Gendergap mailing list >> >> >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Gendergap mailing list >> >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey >> >> >> >> "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food >> >> and clothes." >> >> -- Desiderius Erasmus >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gendergap mailing list >> >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gendergap mailing list >> > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey >> >> "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food >> and clothes." >> -- Desiderius Erasmus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -- > > Sarah Stierch > > ----- > > Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization. > > www.sarahstierch.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes." -- Desiderius Erasmus _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
