On 20 February 2024 17:28:31 GMT, Matthias Koeppe <matthiaskoe...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 1:43:27 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>
>The number of dependencies has grown to the point it has gotten too hard to 
>maintain,
>
>
>No. It's easier than it has ever been in the past because of our improved 
>tooling.

You keep adding more dependencies to justify ever growing tooling, it seems. 
Only you know what it does and how to use it. 

What if we just don't want it? I certainly don't care about the guts of 
Jupyterlab and Sphinx, I just want to use them. You for some reason want to 
maintain a vendored version of them. 
Has it ever crossed your mind to ask whether we want to toil on this vendored 
version? IMO it is a waste of time and effort.

We might just do a fork of Sage, if you keep preventing reduction in number of 
dependencies, you know. Good luck then finding people willing to toil with 
these tools of yours, or without.


> 
>
>especially if one aims to support as many Python versions as we do. 
>These dependencies force one to have fragile, and temporary, 
>version-dependent workarounds in the configuration.
>
>
>What do you mean by that?

You perfectly know what I mean. There are ongoing debates on Sage's GitHub repo 
coming from various Python packages being obsoleted as projects and distros 
drop Python 3.9 and 3.10.
And you are actively preventing people to do work there, e.g. on #36753. 


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