Re: hyperbole
Hi, Sandra, At 05:43 AM 8/19/2004, you wrote: Some more hyperbole for you... Pygmies being eaten by rebels in Congo's ongoing war, UN reveals The exaggeration I had in mind was not the cannibalism itself. It was the use of what would, from a logical standpoint, be referred to as hasty generalization (they) which seems somewhat hyperbolic to me. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections
Richard, At 11:18 AM 8/19/2004, you wrote: Why is an apparently factual statement made by Abdu'l-Baha an hyperbolic statement in your view? After the initial phase in the American invasion of Iraq, there were reports in the Western media that almost everything as taken from the Baghdad Art Museum. As it turned out, only a small quantity of art was stolen. These Iraqis were using hyperbolic language, but the West, not used to this style of speech from public officials, took it literally. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections
"Sacred cows make the best hamburger" This could be a "hyperbole" for people who eat meat. sorry for the joke ;) "...religious truth is not absolute but relative..." Shoghi EffendiDo You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections
"Mark A. Foster" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even more so for vegetarians. ;-) I agree ;), I remember that the beloved Master sometimes jokes about cows with finest humor sense. Does anyone remember one? "...religious truth is not absolute but relative..." Shoghi EffendiDo You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyperbole,
Dear Mark, Well Merriam-Webster (you know her, I'm sure... one of my dearest friends!) says: hyperbole: extravagant exaggeration (as mile-high ice-cream cones) So my conclusion is that the hyperbole would be in the WHAT [cannibalism] not the WHO [Africans]. In the quotes from SAQ, Abdu'l-Baha qualifies the WHO as those who become(s) bestial; under the rule of nature; then, but men, in the Sudan - WHO -some men, WHERE? Sudan. He is not saying everyone in that particular place does this... By naming the WHERE, He grants the hearer with enough information to verify His statement. A man who has not had a spiritual education is a brute. Now, this MAY be a slight generalization... I've known a few men who were exposed to a spiritual education and were still brutes. The remainder of that quote could be a reference back to the earlier more specific statement. The SDC quote might be a little problematic, when one thinks of our own efforts to uplift the social and economic needs in 3rd world countries. It's back to purity of motive ... I think. Lovingly, Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: hyperbole
Sacred cows make the best hamburger Hasan wrote: This could be a hyperbole for people who eat meat. You wrote: Even more so for vegetarians. ;-) Hi Mark, Wouldn't that be satire -coming from a vegetarian? Merriam says: satire: 1 : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn 2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly Lovingly, Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: hyperbole,
Dear Khazeh, I wonder if you might talk to us a bit about the terminologies used in SDC and some of its connotations. I'm thinking of the passages which Abdu'l-Baha translates as savages, brute, etc.? warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reflection
Hello Susan, essentialist racial appropriations endure, even though as Native writer and filmmaker Sherman Alexie says, "The endgame of essentialism was flying airplanes into buildings." Could you please explain what essentialism means? Thanks, Tim Nolan Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reflections
Richard, I'd like to weigh in on this one. Recently some solid anthropological, historical, folklore, and African Studies work has cast doubt on whether cannibalism was really practiced among any groups of human persons on the planet . . . barring the extreme sado-masochistic behaviors recently in the news in Europe and the U.S. It appears that past reports that purported to document actual cannibalism as an acceptable practice among various tribal groups may have been the result of outside anthropologists and ethnographers being told tall tales in the bush. Currently, this is a loaded topic since it calls into questions much of the work of past and current scholars. I imagine that this will become clear over the course of the decade. If, in fact, it does pan out that no peoples literally practiced cannibalism (literally eating other humans), then 'Abdu'l-Baha's comment would need to be taken more broadly. Of course, the science of the day affirmed such cannibalism in Africa. One of the problems we have in Native Studies is sifting through the past 100 plus years of ethnographic work to determine which work is reliable, questionable, problematic, or downright spurious. By the way, does anyone online here remember the name of the anthropologist whose work last year created quite a stir in the news on this topic? All the best to everyone, Susan Dr. Susan Berry Brill de Ramirez, Professor of English Bradley University, Peoria, IL 61625 U.S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; (309) 677-3888; fax (309) 677-2330 -Original Message- From: Richard H. Gravelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:22 PM To: Baha'i Studies Subject: Re: Reflections Thank you Susan, Why would I look at Abu'l-Baha's statement regarding cannibalism amongst the men of the Sudan as hyperbole? Why would a statement of fact be hyperbole in your view? Richard. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections
Why would I look at Abu'l-Baha's statement regarding cannibalism amongst the men of the Sudan as hyperbole? Why would a statement of fact be hyperbole in your view? Dear Richard, Actually, I've never heard of cannibalism being a problem in the Sudan, but since the word means 'black' in Arabic, Abdu'l-Baha probably had in mind all of sub-Saharan Africa. But if we assume Abdu'l-Baha was not engaging in hyperbole then we have the contradiction which Mark already pointed out to you. We have Abdu'l-Baha saying this: A man who has not had a spiritual education is a brute. Like the savages of Africa, whose actions, habits and morals are purely sensual, they act according to the demands of nature to such a degree that they rend and eat one another. -- `Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p.119 While Shoghi Effendi says this: It is indeed an encouraging and awe-inspiring sight to witness the spread of our beloved Faith amongst those whom civilised nations misguidedly term 'savages', 'primitive peoples' and uncivilised nations.' From a letter dated July 11, 1956, written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi and cited: Unfolding Destiny, p.365 Shoghi Effendi considers the use of the term 'savages' in reference to tribal people's 'misguided'. Yet Abdu'l-Baha used did so Himself. How would you explain this other than by reference to hyperbole? warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections
Thank you Susan, I would imagine that by the time Abdu'l-Baha made those comments that the Western missionaries, with the help of the colonial armies, had well-nigh wiped out all discoverable cannibalism under their jurisdictions along with all of the evidence of that odious practice that could be found. I would also expect that, as the colonial nations had the habit of permanently removing any knowledgeable recalcitrant aborigines who had committed to memory oral histories and traditions, that the extant record would be spotty and unreliable in any respect. My question however was and is: given that Abdu'l-Baha's statement was a statement of fact, how would it be considered hyperbole? Richard. - Original Message - From: Brill de Ramirez, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: RE: Reflections Richard, I'd like to weigh in on this one. Recently some solid anthropological, historical, folklore, and African Studies work has cast doubt on whether cannibalism was really practiced among any groups of human persons on the planet . . . barring the extreme sado-masochistic behaviors recently in the news in Europe and the U.S. Dr. Susan Berry Brill de Ramirez, Professor of English Bradley University, Peoria, IL 61625 U.S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; (309) 677-3888; fax (309) 677-2330 -Original Message- From: Richard H. Gravelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:22 PM To: Baha'i Studies Subject: Re: Reflections Thank you Susan, Why would I look at Abu'l-Baha's statement regarding cannibalism amongst the men of the Sudan as hyperbole? Why would a statement of fact be hyperbole in your view? Richard. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections re:hyperbole
In a message dated 8/20/2004 9:00:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you give me a source for the Universal House of Justice comment on "hyperbole" ? "we must accept that they are realities that cannot be defined in a rigourous manner, as one would attempt to define the terms of mathematics or even of philosophy. This is a realm of knowledge in which poetry, analogy, hyperbole and paradox are to be expected; a realm in which the Manifestations themselves speak with many voices" (From a letter on behalf of the Universal House of Justice, dated 15 October 1992). __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections
Thank you Susan, There can never be a contradiction between what Abdu'l-Baha has said and Shoghi Effendi's interpretation. If the statement of Abdu'l-Baha simply means that black savages of Africa practice cannibalism; and the statement is true, from whatever point of view it is taken, how is it an hyperbole? Richard. - Original Message - From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Baha'i Studies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Reflections Why would I look at Abu'l-Baha's statement regarding cannibalism amongst the men of the Sudan as hyperbole? Why would a statement of fact be hyperbole in your view? Dear Richard, Actually, I've never heard of cannibalism being a problem in the Sudan, but since the word means 'black' in Arabic, Abdu'l-Baha probably had in mind all of sub-Saharan Africa. But if we assume Abdu'l-Baha was not engaging in hyperbole then we have the contradiction which Mark already pointed out to you. We have Abdu'l-Baha saying this: A man who has not had a spiritual education is a brute. Like the savages of Africa, whose actions, habits and morals are purely sensual, they act according to the demands of nature to such a degree that they rend and eat one another. -- `Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p.119 While Shoghi Effendi says this: It is indeed an encouraging and awe-inspiring sight to witness the spread of our beloved Faith amongst those whom civilised nations misguidedly term 'savages', 'primitive peoples' and uncivilised nations.' From a letter dated July 11, 1956, written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi and cited: Unfolding Destiny, p.365 Shoghi Effendi considers the use of the term 'savages' in reference to tribal people's 'misguided'. Yet Abdu'l-Baha used did so Himself. How would you explain this other than by reference to hyperbole? warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyperbole,
Hi, Sandra, At 03:06 AM 8/20/2004, you wrote: So my conclusion is that the hyperbole would be in the WHAT [cannibalism] not the WHO [Africans]. What I suggested is that the hyperbole was the sweeping generalization made about the Sudanese. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hyperbole
Sandra, At 04:53 AM 8/20/2004, you wrote: Wouldn't that be satire -coming from a vegetarian? I agree it is also satire. However, I think it is also hyperbolic. The idea of not eating meat is exaggerated by pointing to the idea of sacred cows. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections
Richard, At 04:28 PM 8/20/2004, you wrote: Why would I apply such a standard [of hyperbole] to what has been said by Abdu'l-Baha? That is a very broad question. Which statements by `Abdu'l-Baha? Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reflections re:hyperbole
There is a good discussion of hyperbole, including the excerpt from the letter Susan posted, in this article by Seena Fazel: http://bahai-library.com/articles/exclusivist.html Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Richard, At 08:45 PM 8/20/2004, you wrote: There can never be a contradiction between what Abdu'l-Baha has said and Shoghi Effendi's interpretation. Not officially. Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net Sacred cows make the best hamburger -- Mark Twain and Abbie Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
