Re: ...a quote taken from a news,
On 5/18/05, David Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto wrote: And elsewhere the Quran explicitly gives Muslims permission to eat with Jews and Christians (which implies sociability) and even limited inter-marriage. So the idea that the Quran asserts that the only dialogue possible the sword and the bullet is really silly to me. Gilberto, would you mind letting us know where the Quran says this, please? [5.5] This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. Peace Gilberto __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: ...a quote taken from a news,
Thank you! For those of us unfamiliar with the Quran, this is helpful. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gilberto Simpson Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:45 AM To: Baha'i Studies Subject: Re: ...a quote taken from a news, On 5/18/05, David Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilberto wrote: And elsewhere the Quran explicitly gives Muslims permission to eat with Jews and Christians (which implies sociability) and even limited inter-marriage. So the idea that the Quran asserts that the only dialogue possible the sword and the bullet is really silly to me. Gilberto, would you mind letting us know where the Quran says this, please? [5.5] This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. Peace Gilberto __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
...a quote taken from a news
The following is a quote taken from a news item... Musab al-Zarqawi: Our Sunni faith stipulates that the sword and bullets be the only dialogue between us and the worshippers of the cross. Could someone, perhaps Gilberto, tell me the particular Quranic text being referenced in this statement ? With appreciation... Sandra __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: ...a quote taken from a news
Could someone, perhaps Gilberto, tell me the particular Quranic text being referenced in this statement? Dear Sandra, I presume you are pulling Gilberto's leg? As you know there are no bullets in the Qur'an. ;-} warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: ...a quote taken from a news
On 5/17/05, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is a quote taken from a news item... Musab al-Zarqawi: Our Sunni faith stipulates that the sword and bullets be the only dialogue between us and the worshippers of the cross. Could someone, perhaps Gilberto, tell me the particular Quranic text being referenced in this statement ? Why would you assume that the Quran actually supports anything like that? Peace Gilberto pharaoh is just a leaf on a burning bush __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: ...a quote taken from a news,
Dear Gilberto, No assumption on my part... I assure you. My error is asuming that because he said Our Sunni faith... etc. the belief would have some basis in the Quran. And, if I remember correctly you are Sunni ... obviously a reliable source of information. If there is no basis for this stipulation in the Quran perhaps you could shed some light on how this belief could have become distorted - from what source?). I would also welcome comments from anyone-else. I didn't intentionally single you out Gilberto, I simply thought you were possibly the most knowledgible; having a Sunni perspective. Unfortunately, I'm probably in the (US) ignorant majority concerning the branches of Islam. Although I do think the citizen on the street is beginning to realize that not all Muslims follow the same teachings. lovingly, Sandra The following is a quote taken from a news item... Musab al-Zarqawi: Our Sunni faith stipulates that the sword and bullets be the only dialogue between us and the worshippers of the cross. Could someone, perhaps Gilberto, tell me the particular Quranic text being referenced in this statement ? Why would you assume that the Quran actually supports anything like that? Peace Gilberto pharaoh is just a leaf on a burning bush __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: ...a quote taken from a news,
I guess I would take with a great deal of salt the claim of someone like that to speak for all sunnis. (Especially since he doesn't speak for me). I tend to view this sort of conflict through a political lens before seeing it as a religious issue. Analogous to the Troubles of Northern Ireland. Which was really more about land and politics than Catholics and Protestants. But anyway, to try to answer the specific question, the Quran says things like: 5:82 you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. And elsewhere the Quran explicitly gives Muslims permission to eat with Jews and Christians (which implies sociability) and even limited inter-marriage. So the idea that the Quran asserts that the only dialogue possible the sword and the bullet is really silly to me. If there is alot of hate and animosity from Muslims in the Middle East directed towards Christians its not because of what Muslims are reading in the Quran, its because of what Muslims are reading in the newspaper (or seeing for themselves in their own countries). Peace Gilberto On 5/17/05, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gilberto, No assumption on my part... I assure you. My error is asuming that because he said Our Sunni faith... etc. the belief would have some basis in the Quran. And, if I remember correctly you are Sunni ... obviously a reliable source of information. If there is no basis for this stipulation in the Quran perhaps you could shed some light on how this belief could have become distorted - from what source?). I would also welcome comments from anyone-else. I didn't intentionally single you out Gilberto, I simply thought you were possibly the most knowledgible; having a Sunni perspective. Unfortunately, I'm probably in the (US) ignorant majority concerning the branches of Islam. Although I do think the citizen on the street is beginning to realize that not all Muslims follow the same teachings. lovingly, Sandra The following is a quote taken from a news item... Musab al-Zarqawi: Our Sunni faith stipulates that the sword and bullets be the only dialogue between us and the worshippers of the cross. Could someone, perhaps Gilberto, tell me the particular Quranic text being referenced in this statement ? Why would you assume that the Quran actually supports anything like that? Peace Gilberto pharaoh is just a leaf on a burning bush __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- pharaoh is just a leaf on a burning bush __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: ...a quote taken from a news,
Gilberto wrote: And elsewhere the Quran explicitly gives Muslims permission to eat with Jews and Christians (which implies sociability) and even limited inter-marriage. So the idea that the Quran asserts that the only dialogue possible the sword and the bullet is really silly to me. Gilberto, would you mind letting us know where the Quran says this, please? If there is alot of hate and animosity from Muslims in the Middle East directed towards Christians its not because of what Muslims are reading in the Quran, its because of what Muslims are reading in the newspaper (or seeing for themselves in their own countries). Granted. Dave Lambert __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
