[digitalradio] Re: JT65 / WSTJ / USB SignaLink
Hello again, Yes, I did reset the settings. I have the audio in set for 3 and the audio out set to 7. I have the PTT com port blank. I now get a display and a waterfall, but am not able to key up the TS-2000. Any further suggestions? And, most grateful for your help!!! 73 de KC9HEK Brian --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you try to change the requested input and output settings to those that match the USB audio codec ? Change the settings in options in the main WSJT area. On 10/28/07, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Andy, thank you for getting back to me. Ok, I think I'm starting to get the idea. I can't cut and paste the text from the DOS window, but could certainly post a screen shot of it. But in summary here is what I've got: First I have an error reading wsjt.ini and continuuing with defaults. Next I have a message ID Interval 10 This sequence is repeated a second time. Then I have a message Using PortAudio followed by a table. I am not sure how this table will come accross in this message but here is a try: Audio Device Input Output Name 0 2 0 Micorsoft Sound Mapper-Input 1 2 0 Realtec HD Audio Rear Input 2 1 0 Modem #2 Line Record 3 2 0 USB Audio Codec 4 0 2 Microsoft Sound Mapper Output 5 0 2 Realtec HD Audio rear output 6 0 1 Modem #2 Line Playback 7 0 2 USB Audio CODEC Default Input:0 Output:4 Requested Input:0 Output:0 Opening devise 0 for input, 4 for output. Audio streams running normally. I need to point out that the Realtec is the internal sound card and the USB Audio Codec is the SignaLink sound card. I hope this will be able to help you point me in the right direction. Thank you, 73 de KC9HEK Brian --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio% 40yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien andrewobrie@ wrote: In the WSJT dos-type window that boots up, what do your device settings say ? On 10/28/07, Brian kc9hek@ wrote: Good afternoon folks, I have recently downloaded the WSTJ software for use with JT65. I have also read the very well done Bozo's Guide. (Thank you.) That said, I am unable to get the software configured properly. I have been running the more common digital modes for almost two years. I rountinly uses MultiPSK and DM780 using my existing configuration. Basically, I have HRD deluxe connected to my TS- 2000 on Com Port 1. I have the SignaLink USB connected to the 13 pin Aux on the TS-2000. In both DM780 and MultiPSK the sound card inititates the transmit signal. In both of these other softwares, I can also choose which sound card to use and have identified the SignaLink as the appropriate sound card. When trying to get WSTJ to run, I have gone into my Audio Properties (Windows XP PRO) and have made the SignaLink my default sound card with no success. I suspect my setup isn't all that uncommon and that I am missing something very simple and obvious. If someone could help me out, it would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance, 73 de KC9HEK Brian -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ) -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ)
Re: [digitalradio] Re: JT65 / WSTJ / USB SignaLink
OK, good news on the soundcard. Now, you should tell the set-up area in WSJT which comm port you want to use for PTT. You will NOT be able to use the same PTT comm port that you have selected for DM780 unless you keep DM780 closed. You can't have two programs access the same comm port at the same time. For my digital mode interface (Microkeyer) it creates virtual serial ports and has two PTT ports, so I can use two software applications for PTT, I am not sure if your signallink is the same or not. If not, you can have WSJT and DM780 open at the same time but PTT will be given to the application you opened first. I think that DM780 will have JT65A capability by January, or so. That may solve part of you issue.
Re: [digitalradio] Encomm error loading CD
It all installed OK for me - after a lengthy pause during bootup that I thought was a frozen up computer. Patience paid off! My problem is that the soundcard does not send enough audio to the waterfall display, only barely flickering the first two bars in the waterfall display color setup. - The tuning scope goes crazy, indicating a station and copying signals just fine, but the waterfall stays almost completely blank unless there is a really strong signal, which will barely light up the second color bar for the waterfall, showing a faint trace... I can pull the disk, reboot the machine in Win98 and all my waterfall programs work just fine... DigiPan, MixW, AltCast, etc.. That's the problem with Linux boot disks... - You've got about a 50-50 chance that it is going to work on any particular machine. If it doesn't work, your chances of fixing the problem are like, 'slim or none'. Having said that, I recognize that my problem reflects some peculiarity about my old 400 Mhz Celeron that Puppy Linux cannot deal with. The software itself works very well, from what I can tell with almost no waterfall data. It's kind of like the slots... Keep trying different machines out, and sooner or later you are going to hit the jackpot. That's what I intend to do on this end. Looking over the NBEMS package, I am very impressed with the entire package, and I really like 'puppy linux', so much that I switched over from DSL linux, my former favorite. I think its well worth a little extra effort because it is a great system. http://www.w1hkj.com/emcpup.html 73, Charles Brabham, N5PVL USPacket
[digitalradio] Re: Encomm error loading CD
Are you aware that the software default is MIC IN not LINE IN ? To switch to LINE IN, boot up FL-DIGI , go in to CONFIG, click on Soundcard and change the mixer setting to LINE IN. Andy. In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Charles Brabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It all installed OK for me - after a lengthy pause during bootup that I thought was a frozen up computer. Patience paid off! My problem is that the soundcard does not send enough audio to the waterfall display, only barely flickering the first two bars in the waterfall display color setup. - The tuning scope goes crazy, indicating a station and copying signals just fine, but the waterfall stays almost completely blank unless there is a really strong signal, which will barely light up the second color bar for the waterfall, showing a faint trace... I can pull the disk, reboot the machine in Win98 and all my waterfall programs work just fine... DigiPan, MixW, AltCast, etc.. That's the problem with Linux boot disks... - You've got about a 50- 50 chance that it is going to work on any particular machine. If it doesn't work, your chances of fixing the problem are like, 'slim or none'. Having said that, I recognize that my problem reflects some peculiarity about my old 400 Mhz Celeron that Puppy Linux cannot deal with. The software itself works very well, from what I can tell with almost no waterfall data. It's kind of like the slots... Keep trying different machines out, and sooner or later you are going to hit the jackpot. That's what I intend to do on this end. Looking over the NBEMS package, I am very impressed with the entire package, and I really like 'puppy linux', so much that I switched over from DSL linux, my former favorite. I think its well worth a little extra effort because it is a great system. http://www.w1hkj.com/emcpup.html 73, Charles Brabham, N5PVL USPacket
[digitalradio] ALE400
On 14109.5 , USB, 1500hz center, ALE400 (Multipsk) , for the balance of the day. Try a connect John VE5MU
Re: [digitalradio] Encomm error loading CD
Charles, Have you tried adjusting Upper Signal Limit and Signal Range on the status bar to brighten the waterfall? Also, try moving the upper green slider further up. How are you driving the audio input of the soundcard? For example, if you drive it from the earphone output of a transceiver (either Line input or Mic input), you can just use the volume control on the transceiver and get any amount of visibility on the waterfall you want. 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: Charles Brabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Encomm error loading CD It all installed OK for me - after a lengthy pause during bootup that I thought was a frozen up computer. Patience paid off! My problem is that the soundcard does not send enough audio to the waterfall display, only barely flickering the first two bars in the waterfall display color setup. - The tuning scope goes crazy, indicating a station and copying signals just fine, but the waterfall stays almost completely blank unless there is a really strong signal, which will barely light up the second color bar for the waterfall, showing a faint trace... I can pull the disk, reboot the machine in Win98 and all my waterfall programs work just fine... DigiPan, MixW, AltCast, etc.. That's the problem with Linux boot disks... - You've got about a 50-50 chance that it is going to work on any particular machine. If it doesn't work, your chances of fixing the problem are like, 'slim or none'. Having said that, I recognize that my problem reflects some peculiarity about my old 400 Mhz Celeron that Puppy Linux cannot deal with. The software itself works very well, from what I can tell with almost no waterfall data. It's kind of like the slots... Keep trying different machines out, and sooner or later you are going to hit the jackpot. That's what I intend to do on this end. Looking over the NBEMS package, I am very impressed with the entire package, and I really like 'puppy linux', so much that I switched over from DSL linux, my former favorite. I think its well worth a little extra effort because it is a great system. http://www.w1hkj.com/emcpup.html 73, Charles Brabham, N5PVL USPacket No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1098 - Release Date: 10/29/2007 9:28 AM
[digitalradio] Re: JT65 / WSTJ / USB SignaLink
Hi Brian Your audio settings are now right, does your PTT LED light when you try to transmit? I found with mine I had to set the playback mixer Wave level fairly high and to make the PTT more reliable I put the link on JP4. Les G3VYZ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, Yes, I did reset the settings. I have the audio in set for 3 and the audio out set to 7. I have the PTT com port blank. I now get a display and a waterfall, but am not able to key up the TS-2000. Any further suggestions? And, most grateful for your help!!! 73 de KC9HEK Brian --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien andrewobrie@ wrote: Did you try to change the requested input and output settings to those that match the USB audio codec ? Change the settings in options in the main WSJT area. On 10/28/07, Brian kc9hek@ wrote: Hello Andy, thank you for getting back to me. Ok, I think I'm starting to get the idea. I can't cut and paste the text from the DOS window, but could certainly post a screen shot of it. But in summary here is what I've got: First I have an error reading wsjt.ini and continuuing with defaults. Next I have a message ID Interval 10 This sequence is repeated a second time. Then I have a message Using PortAudio followed by a table. I am not sure how this table will come accross in this message but here is a try: Audio Device Input Output Name 0 2 0 Micorsoft Sound Mapper-Input 1 2 0 Realtec HD Audio Rear Input 2 1 0 Modem #2 Line Record 3 2 0 USB Audio Codec 4 0 2 Microsoft Sound Mapper Output 5 0 2 Realtec HD Audio rear output 6 0 1 Modem #2 Line Playback 7 0 2 USB Audio CODEC Default Input:0 Output:4 Requested Input:0 Output:0 Opening devise 0 for input, 4 for output. Audio streams running normally. I need to point out that the Realtec is the internal sound card and the USB Audio Codec is the SignaLink sound card. I hope this will be able to help you point me in the right direction. Thank you, 73 de KC9HEK Brian --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio% 40yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien andrewobrie@ wrote: In the WSJT dos-type window that boots up, what do your device settings say ? On 10/28/07, Brian kc9hek@ wrote: Good afternoon folks, I have recently downloaded the WSTJ software for use with JT65. I have also read the very well done Bozo's Guide. (Thank you.) That said, I am unable to get the software configured properly. I have been running the more common digital modes for almost two years. I rountinly uses MultiPSK and DM780 using my existing configuration. Basically, I have HRD deluxe connected to my TS- 2000 on Com Port 1. I have the SignaLink USB connected to the 13 pin Aux on the TS-2000. In both DM780 and MultiPSK the sound card inititates the transmit signal. In both of these other softwares, I can also choose which sound card to use and have identified the SignaLink as the appropriate sound card. When trying to get WSTJ to run, I have gone into my Audio Properties (Windows XP PRO) and have made the SignaLink my default sound card with no success. I suspect my setup isn't all that uncommon and that I am missing something very simple and obvious. If someone could help me out, it would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance, 73 de KC9HEK Brian -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ) -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ)
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Propagation Tests
Hi Rick, You obviously do not use MT-63 to pass book traffic on a daily basis on NVIS paths, fore if you did your opinion would be completely different and if you don't believe me, just ask any MARS member that is using a Sound Card based system these days and they will tell you just how robust MT-63 is for an FEC protocol. As to MIL-STD-188-110 serial tone modem and associated protocols, being as not only FEC but ARQ is provided and with data rates down to 75bps, it is extremely robust, granted 75bps is rather slow, but it just can not be stopped, 75bps is know as ROBUST mode by the way, there is no PSK carrier frequency and its a psuedo spread spectrum waveform within a 3Khz channel, even in MARS-ALE at 75bps its always 3Khz as you can't diddle with the carrier and symbol rate which don't exist as such at higher data rates. /s/ Steve, N2CKH At 05:51 PM 10/27/2007, you wrote: Steve, If MT-63 is robust relative to MIL-STD-188-110, then the latter may not be all that robust! I do not find MT-63 to be all that robust, and it is not as sensitive as other modes since it does not work well into the noise. Do you have any real world amateur tests yet on the MIL-STD-188-110 modems using the PC-ALE software approach? I have tested this out on 6 meters and it seems to transmit OK. I don't have anyone close by with the capability to run the program who can also operate digital modes. Also, have you found anyone who has run this software on HF here in the U.S. in the voice/image portions of the bands? It has been several weeks and I have not received any response back from ARRL yet on my tentative submission to the FCC for an interpretation of these regulations. Perhaps some are holding back because they consider the modes not legal in the voice/image areas? My reading of the rules says that it should be proper to use this software. Do you (or anyone else) have any thoughts as to why these modes are not being at least tested on HF? 73, Rick, KV9U
Re: [digitalradio] Digital Propagation Tests
I think that for the speed, MT-63 can be OK. But not that great with difficult conditions. A lot of modes will work find with good paths. I suspect that they have reasonably strong signals. MT-63 just does not reach down into the noise as some other modes and I have tested it many times under many conditions to reach that conclusion. The MIL-STD 188-110 single tone modem is something that I would like to test. It is very odd to me why we are not hearing at least a few who are doing this. I very much want to see how well it works compared to other modes. I realize it is a very wide mode since it was designed to take up most of a full voice bandwidth for commercial/government use. Just because it always runs at 2400 baud symbol rate and is illegal to use here in the U.S. on the text digital portions of the bands does not mean it can not be used in the voice/image portions of the bands to at least send pictures. Why do you suppose that it is not being at least tested? I have asked this many times and have yet to have one person respond with their experiences. 73, Rick, KV9U Steve Hajducek wrote: Hi Rick, You obviously do not use MT-63 to pass book traffic on a daily basis on NVIS paths, fore if you did your opinion would be completely different and if you don't believe me, just ask any MARS member that is using a Sound Card based system these days and they will tell you just how robust MT-63 is for an FEC protocol. As to MIL-STD-188-110 serial tone modem and associated protocols, being as not only FEC but ARQ is provided and with data rates down to 75bps, it is extremely robust, granted 75bps is rather slow, but it just can not be stopped, 75bps is know as ROBUST mode by the way, there is no PSK carrier frequency and its a psuedo spread spectrum waveform within a 3Khz channel, even in MARS-ALE at 75bps its always 3Khz as you can't diddle with the carrier and symbol rate which don't exist as such at higher data rates. /s/ Steve, N2CKH At 05:51 PM 10/27/2007, you wrote: Steve, If MT-63 is robust relative to MIL-STD-188-110, then the latter may not be all that robust! I do not find MT-63 to be all that robust, and it is not as sensitive as other modes since it does not work well into the noise. Do you have any real world amateur tests yet on the MIL-STD-188-110 modems using the PC-ALE software approach? I have tested this out on 6 meters and it seems to transmit OK. I don't have anyone close by with the capability to run the program who can also operate digital modes. Also, have you found anyone who has run this software on HF here in the U.S. in the voice/image portions of the bands? It has been several weeks and I have not received any response back from ARRL yet on my tentative submission to the FCC for an interpretation of these regulations. Perhaps some are holding back because they consider the modes not legal in the voice/image areas? My reading of the rules says that it should be proper to use this software. Do you (or anyone else) have any thoughts as to why these modes are not being at least tested on HF? 73, Rick, KV9U
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Sub Channel DQPSK
Well, I do not have a distinct characterization of Olivia submodes. 8/500 seems to be fair enough, not too greedy on bandwidth and works where other modes (not Olivia) fail. I have used the most common available on MultiPSK, that is, 8/250, 8/500, and 16/500. Ocassionally, 32/1000, or even 2/125 on a couple of QSO's using MixW. I felt 2/125 a bit better than RTTY, but made no serious comparisons, and I feel (maybe a bit of a gut feeling) that Olivia with just two tones defeats most of its adventages. 73, Jose, CO2JA --- Rick wrote: Have you found particular combinations of Olivia BW and tones that seem to work the best for various conditions? My frustration with Olivia is that it is impractically slow for keyboard chats unless you use the higher baud speeds to get the wpm to at least 30 wpm. But then it does not seem to work as well. But if the choice was some communication instead of no communication, there would be times that it would be a good choice. My main interest is in using sound card modes that work well for emergency communication with lower power and lesser quality antennas, particularly on HF NVIS. 73, Rick, KV9U Jose Amador wrote: As all differentially encoded modulations, it has a price, in the form of burst errors following a wrong bit. For me, Olivia is far better than any Domino EX modes, including Domino with FEC.With FEC it is more robust, but becomes slower than Olivia, without reaching the same degree of robustness. It is my impression with actual tests on the air. __ Participe en Universidad 2008. 11 al 15 de febrero del 2008. Palacio de las Convenciones, Ciudad de la Habana, Cuba http://www.universidad2008.cu
[digitalradio] Re: JT65 / WSTJ / USB SignaLink
Hello again, Yes, I did reset the settings. I have the audio in set for 3 and the audio out set to 7. I have the PTT com port blank. I now get a display and a waterfall, but am not able to key up the TS-2000. Any further suggestions? And, most grateful for your help!!! 73 de KC9HEK Brian --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you try to change the requested input and output settings to those that match the USB audio codec ? Change the settings in options in the main WSJT area. On 10/28/07, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Andy, thank you for getting back to me. Ok, I think I'm starting to get the idea. I can't cut and paste the text from the DOS window, but could certainly post a screen shot of it. But in summary here is what I've got: First I have an error reading wsjt.ini and continuuing with defaults. Next I have a message ID Interval 10 This sequence is repeated a second time. Then I have a message Using PortAudio followed by a table. I am not sure how this table will come accross in this message but here is a try: Audio Device Input Output Name 0 2 0 Micorsoft Sound Mapper-Input 1 2 0 Realtec HD Audio Rear Input 2 1 0 Modem #2 Line Record 3 2 0 USB Audio Codec 4 0 2 Microsoft Sound Mapper Output 5 0 2 Realtec HD Audio rear output 6 0 1 Modem #2 Line Playback 7 0 2 USB Audio CODEC Default Input:0 Output:4 Requested Input:0 Output:0 Opening devise 0 for input, 4 for output. Audio streams running normally. I need to point out that the Realtec is the internal sound card and the USB Audio Codec is the SignaLink sound card. I hope this will be able to help you point me in the right direction. Thank you, 73 de KC9HEK Brian --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio% 40yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien andrewobrie@ wrote: In the WSJT dos-type window that boots up, what do your device settings say ? On 10/28/07, Brian kc9hek@ wrote: Good afternoon folks, I have recently downloaded the WSTJ software for use with JT65. I have also read the very well done Bozo's Guide. (Thank you.) That said, I am unable to get the software configured properly. I have been running the more common digital modes for almost two years. I rountinly uses MultiPSK and DM780 using my existing configuration. Basically, I have HRD deluxe connected to my TS- 2000 on Com Port 1. I have the SignaLink USB connected to the 13 pin Aux on the TS-2000. In both DM780 and MultiPSK the sound card inititates the transmit signal. In both of these other softwares, I can also choose which sound card to use and have identified the SignaLink as the appropriate sound card. When trying to get WSTJ to run, I have gone into my Audio Properties (Windows XP PRO) and have made the SignaLink my default sound card with no success. I suspect my setup isn't all that uncommon and that I am missing something very simple and obvious. If someone could help me out, it would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance, 73 de KC9HEK Brian -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ) -- Andy K3UK www.obriensweb.com (QSL via N2RJ)
[digitalradio] ALE400
First impressions are that Patrick has a very nice bit of software in the new ALE400 mode on MultiPSK. This is another step down the road to a strong ARQ mode, and It would be great to see a number of people Download and experiment with it. It can be found at: http://f6cte.free.fr/MULTIPSK_TEST_28_10_2007.ZIP I disagree with Bonnie and think that any experiments with the mode should be done on The same ALE frequencies as are currently used since it is an opportunity to skip back and forth to compare performance. There is nothing to be gained by moving off to some obscure frequency since these Would not be monitored on a regular basis. By splintering the ALE frequencies it Would discourage use of anything other than PCALE on 14109.5. Additionally , this would create sounding tones on a number of other frequencies Which are or could be used for other modes. Since there is not a large active ALE community ( emphasis on ACTIVE) all can, and should be able survive on the current ALE frequencies. John VE5MU
