Re: [digitalradio] April QST page 35
John, the outrage over Pactor is not about Pactor, but about unattended, automatic transmissions on HF that routinely, and unnecessarily, disrupt all other communications on the frequency. It has nothing to do with the Pactor mode itself. NBEMS will often make final delivery of emergency messages over the radio by Internet email, but NEVER automatically. On page 80, third paragraph, it says, NBEMS requires human beings at *both* ends of the path - there are *no* automated or semiautomated operations. Given its narrow bandwidth and the ability of operators to easily detect other signals and *avoid* causing interference, NBEMS is well suited for HF use. NBEMS is also sometimes email over ham radio as well as just text messages to be delivered by phone or SMS, but it is *not* a gateway to the Internet. There is *no* automated access to the Internet. There are *no* NBEMS stations that will automatically transmit at the command of a remote operator who cannot check for other activity local to the station. Every transmission, and every handling of an emergency message, has to be done be a licensed ham operator, physically present at the station controls, who may chose either to use the Internet to forward the message or deliver it by any other means. 73, Skip KH6TY NBEMS Development Team - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: [digitalradio] April QST page 35 That screen shot sure looks like email over ham radio to me. In fact the traffic looks just like what I see on the pactor systems. I'm waiting for the outrage that some had about the pactor so call email systems.
[digitalradio] Re: Vista
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, wa0elm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at purchasing a new laptop, and I can't find anything that doesn't come with Vista. Is anyone having success running digital software Hey Eric, I'm using Vista here (64-bit if that matters) and have had zero problems running MultiPSK, MixW or (my favorite, and free!) Digital Master 780 (Comes with Ham Radio Deluxe, see link below.) I've also had only minor problems with other common applications. But then again, I'm a geek and a good troubleshooter so was able to overcome. Don't let people talk you out of Vista. Particularly if you're at all computer saavy; you'll appreciate the benefits and improvements. I work on computers for a living, and have seen with each new version of Windows, people complaining about compatibility, price, upgrades, bugs, ad naseum. Vista has settled in just fine and should serve you well. Especially on a new computer. It's not Microsoft's problem when companies don't want to re-write software to be supported in the newer operating systems. The demand will be ever-diminishing to do so. That's probably the biggest pitfall for a new O/S; backwards compatibility. It makes more sense to start over and leave legacy devices behind than it is to add the millions of lines of code to support it. Not always the cheapest way for consumers who want to use the new O/S. But technology is perpetually self-supporting, no? Meanwhile, if you insist on using XP, which is fine, computers purchased with some versions of Vista (Business and Ultimate, if memory serves) have the option to 'downgrade' to XP at no extra cost. You'll be able to buy XP for years to come. Even today, you can still buy sealed copies of Windows 98 on eBay. If you're buying a new computer, have someone locally build you a 'white box' instead of wasting your money on a Dell, dude. I'm sure they'll find a solution to have XP on it. Finally, all these comparisons between operating systems will be a moot point soon. We'll all be booting to the Internet, saving our files on a Microsoft or Google server, and you'll be paying for it like all our other utilities. You'll also never see another progress indicator! Instant on, like your TV. Life is reflected well in computers; Adapt quick and often! Frank, K2NCC http://evokefrank.googlepages.com Digital Master 780: http://hrd.ham-radio.ch/DM780/DM780.htm
Re: [digitalradio] Vista
Dell sells new dual-core PC's in your choice of Vista, XP, Ubuntu Linux or DOS. - Yes, I said DOS. Mine works just fine, no problems. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Re: [digitalradio] RFI-Free PCs?
Turn off your main circuit breakers for the house. That will quickly tell you if the problem is in your house or not. Run the CB and 10m units off of a battery for the test. Ken WA8JXM On Mar 22, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Rodney wrote: I've turned off all my cordless phones, computers and anything else I can think of that would cause this, but it still exists. I live in a residential area so there are houses all around me. I'm HOPING that the problem is in MY house and not in someone else's house, that way I can locate and fix the problem!
Re: [digitalradio] Vista
Hi My choice is linux ubuntu. I have found only two things I cannot do in linux. 1. Voice over IM 2. games. Since Iam not big on games not a big deal. I can purchase pc with no operating system from tiger direct and still use my old monitor for less. 73,s Nathan Watts KD5BLZ Charles Brabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dell sells new dual-core PC's in your choice of Vista, XP, Ubuntu Linux or DOS. - Yes, I said DOS. Mine works just fine, no problems. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Hi Frank: VISTA is dead, read artical in Maxium PC, US government will not use it and MS has advanced the release date of System 7 to 2009 ( a year earlier than planed).. But Vista is such a bust ( 20% slower than XP that they are going to let it die the slow death). The best way IS ( as you said) to build your ouwn machine.. Really not that hard. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Tooner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:37:04 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Vista --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, wa0elm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at purchasing a new laptop, and I can't find anything that doesn't come with Vista. Is anyone having success running digital software Hey Eric, I'm using Vista here (64-bit if that matters) and have had zero problems running MultiPSK, MixW or (my favorite, and free!) Digital Master 780 (Comes with Ham Radio Deluxe, see link below.) I've also had only minor problems with other common applications. But then again, I'm a geek and a good troubleshooter so was able to overcome. Don't let people talk you out of Vista. Particularly if you're at all computer saavy; you'll appreciate the benefits and improvements. I work on computers for a living, and have seen with each new version of Windows, people complaining about compatibility, price, upgrades, bugs, ad naseum. Vista has settled in just fine and should serve you well. Especially on a new computer. It's not Microsoft's problem when companies don't want to re-write software to be supported in the newer operating systems. The demand will be ever-diminishing to do so. That's probably the biggest pitfall for a new O/S; backwards compatibility. It makes more sense to start over and leave legacy devices behind than it is to add the millions of lines of code to support it. Not always the cheapest way for consumers who want to use the new O/S. But technology is perpetually self-supporting, no? Meanwhile, if you insist on using XP, which is fine, computers purchased with some versions of Vista (Business and Ultimate, if memory serves) have the option to 'downgrade' to XP at no extra cost. You'll be able to buy XP for years to come. Even today, you can still buy sealed copies of Windows 98 on eBay. If you're buying a new computer, have someone locally build you a 'white box' instead of wasting your money on a Dell, dude. I'm sure they'll find a solution to have XP on it. Finally, all these comparisons between operating systems will be a moot point soon. We'll all be booting to the Internet, saving our files on a Microsoft or Google server, and you'll be paying for it like all our other utilities. You'll also never see another progress indicator! Instant on, like your TV. Life is reflected well in computers; Adapt quick and often! Frank, K2NCC http://evokefrank. googlepages. com Digital Master 780: http://hrd.ham- radio.ch/ DM780/DM780. htm Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [digitalradio] Vista
HI word is from the forward looking computer mags that VISTA is now DEAD. The US government has refused to use it and it doesn't look like many more fixes are upcoming.. Instead they have moved up the release date of new OS ,, System 7 to 2009.. Vista was just like Mill was many years ago... BYE BYE VISTA ( and it 20% slower than XP.) Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Charles Brabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:23:51 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Vista Dell sells new dual-core PC's in your choice of Vista, XP, Ubuntu Linux or DOS. - Yes, I said DOS. Mine works just fine, no problems. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [digitalradio] Vista
Hi Rick: The US government has now informed MS that they WILL continue to support XP as they will not be using VISTA ( see MaxiumPC) VISTA is now on its death bed..but no great loss.. WAY to many problems. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36:33 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Vista Hi Eric, Although many companies are specifying Microsoft XP, I keep wondering what will happen in June when they are supposedly no longer going to make this available anymore. As it is they extended the OS sales. I have been using Vista for not quite a year and have not been running ham programs on it because I have an XP tower along with the Vista tower and a KVM switch to make it handy to work on either machine with the same keyboard, video, and mouse. Because of your post, I decided that tonight was the time to go ahead and switch over to the Vista box and see how current ham digital programs work. Generally, things seem OK with the programs that I normally run: Multipsk Ham Radio Deluxe/Digital Master 780 NBEMS suite with VBdigi/flarq/ flLogbook and can run the Sylpheed e-mail program recommended for this DXLabs suite with DX Commander (which does the interfacing to the rig with Multipsk), DXKeeper. Propview, DXView, etc. (not fully tested) Airlink Express - new program just released and targeted specifically for Vista but runs OK on XP Also, not fully tested but seem to work OK: QForms emergency messaging EasyPal for SSTV QWIKPSK Also can run my regular programs and some interesting ones: AVG Anti-Virus Open Office Suite of programs Media Monkey Irfanview Celestia and Stellarium for astronomy GIMP2 for graphics Firefox web browser Thunderbird e-mail As you can see, most of my general purpose programs are Open Source or at least freeware and when possible I use those that are available on Linux or Windows. I do have a dual boot to Linux Kubuntu, which is the first Linux variant that works reasonably well with my hardware. But I have not had many problems with most modern programs when using Vista. Dave Bernstein did discover a serious bug which may be fixed in SP1. However, Vista has plenty of problems with SP1 and some had trouble with it so they have backed off. Not sure if it is ready for prime time yet. Overall, Vista is a pretty face with superior font rendering when compared to XP and certainly much better than any of the Linux variants that just can not yet compete on my equipment (22 Samsung SyncMaster 225BW LCD Monitor). But it simply does not offer much else, other than some security improvements, some of which are too extreme and quite unnecessary and annoying. Some call this program Windows ME2. I won't go that far, as unlike ME, which was truly unstable, Vista is quite stable and solid for the average user. Like when was the last time you had a BSOD? I have not had one for many years, pretty much not since XP. (Can't say that about Linux which can crash the X windows pretty easily with a bug in PSKmail:( Vista is VERY easy to reload. I actually dumped Vista last year and attempted to install Ubuntu Linux but it was just not an adequate OS and of course can not run most of the high quality ham programs so it is just not practical to use. So I was pretty concerned when I was forced to reload Vista and surprisingly it was the easiest modern OS that I have reloaded from scratch. All the drivers were present on the reinstall disks you have to make up in advance. This is for an HP Pavilion a1730n which is a 4400+ AMD chip and 2 Gigs of RAM. Also, when I bought a low cost USB COM adapter, the driver was already in Vista while XP required installation of the drivers from a disk. This may be at least a part of why Vista is a very bloated OS. Even some of the MS top programmers have admitted it needs trimming. Thus, it needs tremendous resources to run moderately fast. That means the fastest possible microprocessor, video, and at least 2 Gig RAM. MS is running scared on this because sales are terrible. The only way it would have been adopted is due to it being forced on the users when they buy the computer. But note that Mac sales are drastically higher and even Linux is getting some traction here in the developed world. MS is already talking about Windows 7, which is the replacement for Vista. Can you imagine that? And that OS is years away by MS's reckoning, thus it will probably be many years past that date! Bottom line though: you are going to find it very difficult to buy anything here in the U.S. other than a Vista machine for a MS OS. It don't see Mac and Linux as being alternatives if you want to run MS Windows software as we digital hams want to do since that is the OS that has the best programs at this time. In some cases, the only software in certain categories. 73, Rick, KV9U wa0elm wrote: I'm looking at purchasing a new laptop,
[digitalradio] Re:Vista
I ordered a Dell custom built, and had available for an OS either XP Home/XP Pro or one of the many Vista's installed on it. I went with XP Home, as that is what I currently use and the wife knows it also. Still to many bugs with Vista for my liking. 73 Kurt K8YZK Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [digitalradio] Vista
It appears your opinion is shared by others:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8541837412.html?kc=EWKNLNAV032408STR4
An excerpt:
For the first time in ages, thesale of new PCs with Windows as a percentage of
the PC market isdeclining sharply. The new winner is the Mac, but, while no one
does agood job of tracking the still-new, pre-installed Linux desktop
market,it's also clear that Linux is finally making impressive inroads
intoWindows' once unchallenged market share.
- Original Message
From: AA0OI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:53:50 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Vista
HI
word is from the forward looking computer mags that VISTA is now DEAD. The US
government has refused to use it and it doesn't look like many more fixes are
upcoming.. Instead they have moved up the release date of new OS ,, System 7
to 2009.. Vista was just like Mill was many years ago... BYE BYE VISTA ( and it
20% slower than XP.)
Garrett / AA0OI
- Original Message
From: Charles Brabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] org
To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:23:51 AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Vista
Dell sells new dual-core PC's in your choice of Vista, XP, Ubuntu Linux or
DOS. - Yes, I said DOS.
Mine works just fine, no problems.
73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
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Re: [digitalradio] April QST page 35
Sorry Skip I have not gotten to page 80 yet.
Re: [digitalradio] April QST page 35
Speaking of page 35, Is anyone using Outpost with soundcard? Chuck AA5J
Re: [digitalradio] April QST page 35
Please allow me to make one comment on Skip's response. I have been the operator on duty in a number situations with the Air Force (especially during Desert Sheild) where where we were handling Priority and Classified message traffic. Also, I have been in the same situation working in NDMS communications and on amatuer radio frequencies where emergency/priority message traffic that was TIME SENSITIVE was being handled. I do not ever want to submit my traffic emergency/priority/time sensitive traffic on an unattended/automatic network. I want the Human Factor to be in immediate control. And it the system is automatic, I want a human monitoring the traffic to make sure it is handled correctly and in a timely manner. NBEMS and ECM are just the kind of programs/applications I would want to see used. Thanks Skip and Dave. 73, Walt/K5YFW kh6ty wrote: John, the outrage over Pactor is not about Pactor, but about unattended, automatic transmissions on HF that routinely, and unnecessarily, disrupt all other communications on the frequency. It has nothing to do with the Pactor mode itself. NBEMS will often make final delivery of emergency messages over the radio by Internet email, but NEVER automatically. On page 80, third paragraph, it says, NBEMS requires human beings at *both* ends of the path - there are *no* automated or semiautomated operations. Given its narrow bandwidth and the ability of operators to easily detect other signals and *avoid* causing interference, NBEMS is well suited for HF use. NBEMS is also sometimes email over ham radio as well as just text messages to be delivered by phone or SMS, but it is *not* a gateway to the Internet. There is *no* automated access to the Internet. There are *no* NBEMS stations that will automatically transmit at the command of a remote operator who cannot check for other activity local to the station. Every transmission, and every handling of an emergency message, has to be done be a licensed ham operator, physically present at the station controls, who may chose either to use the Internet to forward the message or deliver it by any other means. 73, Skip KH6TY NBEMS Development Team - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: [digitalradio] April QST page 35 That screen shot sure looks like email over ham radio to me. In fact the traffic looks just like what I see on the pactor systems. I'm waiting for the outrage that some had about the pactor so call email systems.
Re: [digitalradio] April QST page 35
That's OK, John. I only used NBEMS as an example that all the anger against Pactor is misunderstood, because it just happens that unattended stations use Pactor (because it is very good), and it is the unattended stations and their clients that justly deserve the anger of the rest of us who work hard to fairly share our bands with other users. The NBEMS system is designed, from the start, not to emulate unattended email services, but to provide the most efficient emergency communications when called upon, and keep it under control of hams that respect the right of other hams to use the bands also. 73, Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] April QST page 35 Sorry Skip I have not gotten to page 80 yet. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1342 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 10:26 AM
[digitalradio] Re: Vista
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Howard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears your opinion is shared by others: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8541837412.html?kc=EWKNLNAV032408STR4 One can hardly consider a Linux site to be fair-and-balanced towards it's slant on Windows.
[digitalradio] Re:Vista
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Traveler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still to many bugs with Vista for my liking. That seems to be one of those perpetuating comments I see so often. Traveller, without plagiarizing someone's news article, how about listing some of those 'bugs'? Okay, well, maybe not here. Methinks we've swung far enough from the forum's topic, eh? f
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Here is a couple of articles on various OS's:- PC Magazine view http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2273486,00.asp Linux view http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS6727964977.html Darrel, VE7CUS On 25-Mar-08, at 12:00 PM, Tooner wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Howard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears your opinion is shared by others: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8541837412.html?kc=EWKNLNAV032408STR4 One can hardly consider a Linux site to be fair-and-balanced towards it's slant on Windows.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Did you read it? Does it seem slanted or just reporting?
- Original Message
From: Tooner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:00:07 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
--- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Howard Brown [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears your opinion is shared by others:
http://www.desktopl inux.com/ news/NS854183741 2.html?kc= EWKNLNAV032408ST R4
One can hardly consider a Linux site to be fair-and-balanced towards
it's slant on Windows.
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Re: [digitalradio] Vista
Look for products marketed to businesses. HP loads XP on workstations like the xw4400 but puts Vista on products for home use. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: wa0elm To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 22:28 UTC Subject: [digitalradio] Vista I'm looking at purchasing a new laptop, and I can't find anything that doesn't come with Vista. Is anyone having success running digital software (e.g. MultiPSK and/or MMTTY) with Vista? Last I heard, most digital software doesn't play nice with it. I thought about buying a Vista machine, and loading XP, but the problem I've found is that some drivers may not be available for XP. I'd like to get a little guidance before I pull out what's left of my hair. Thanks in advance, Eric WA0ELM
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
As one who daily monitors the various OS issues, I had seen both of the articles beforehand. The PCMag article gave you a comparison of sorts. I think they were a bit light on Vista. They need to discuss the invasive issues of DRM which some claim is taking up a lot of computer resources, among other things such as phoning home. I don't know what it is doing for sure, but the hard drive is rarely not doing a read or write every second or so. XP does not do this. The problem with these kinds of reviews as they are looking at the overall usability of the OS for the average users who need basic e-mail, web browsing, media software, etc. And all of the OS's have that for the most part. The problem is that if you run ham programs, and that includes most of us on this group, you are mostly going to want to run MS Windows programs since they are overwhelmingly better than anything available on Linux or Mac. Windows development is perhaps 95% of the ham market from what I can see. And by that I mean freeware and open source software as well as commercial software. There just are no programs on Linux or Mac that are remotely equal to HRD/DM780, the DXLab suite, Multiipsk, and many others. Looking at things long term will can expect more Linux programs and improvements. Many countries are moving toward Linux, particularly the developing world, but software development of this type could take a decade or two. Consider that there were built in ham radio capabilities early in Linux and yet the programming efforts actually decreased for many years and are only recently becoming more active again with programs such as PSKmail and fldigi. While I do enjoy reading Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols articles (sometimes several per week) it would not be fair to claim that he has a balanced view since he is very pro-Linux and has mostly used Linux for quite a few years. Without question, he is more balanced than some of the comments made by the typical Linux zealots who are truly misunderstanding what it is that most of us want for an OS. The question we might ask outselves is whether a given OS does the things we want it to do and not do the things we don't want it to do? No OS can fulfill those requirements, but at this time MS Windows does it the best for much of ham radio needs. 73, Rick, KV9U Howard Brown wrote: Did you read it? Does it seem slanted or just reporting? - Original Message From: Tooner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:00:07 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Vista --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Howard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears your opinion is shared by others: http://www.desktopl inux.com/ news/NS854183741 2.html?kc= EWKNLNAV032408ST R4 http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8541837412.html?kc=EWKNLNAV032408STR4 One can hardly consider a Linux site to be fair-and-balanced towards it's slant on Windows.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Hello: PC mag is no longer a pc mag.. It deals with many things that have nothing to do with computers..most are getting away from it. try Maxium PC. cutting edge.. Also everything points to the demise of Vista. we hope all the mistake made in Vista we be fixed with system 7, but then agn its MS. who really knows.. I will not invest in Vista in any way shape for form.. its circling the drain and about to go under... TRUST ME, it will be gone within 2 years.!! Nostradamus / AA0OI - Original Message From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 5:57:35 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista As one who daily monitors the various OS issues, I had seen both of the articles beforehand. The PCMag article gave you a comparison of sorts. I think they were a bit light on Vista. They need to discuss the invasive issues of DRM which some claim is taking up a lot of computer resources, among other things such as phoning home. I don't know what it is doing for sure, but the hard drive is rarely not doing a read or write every second or so. XP does not do this. The problem with these kinds of reviews as they are looking at the overall usability of the OS for the average users who need basic e-mail, web browsing, media software, etc. And all of the OS's have that for the most part. The problem is that if you run ham programs, and that includes most of us on this group, you are mostly going to want to run MS Windows programs since they are overwhelmingly better than anything available on Linux or Mac. Windows development is perhaps 95% of the ham market from what I can see. And by that I mean freeware and open source software as well as commercial software. There just are no programs on Linux or Mac that are remotely equal to HRD/DM780, the DXLab suite, Multiipsk, and many others. Looking at things long term will can expect more Linux programs and improvements. Many countries are moving toward Linux, particularly the developing world, but software development of this type could take a decade or two. Consider that there were built in ham radio capabilities early in Linux and yet the programming efforts actually decreased for many years and are only recently becoming more active again with programs such as PSKmail and fldigi. While I do enjoy reading Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols articles (sometimes several per week) it would not be fair to claim that he has a balanced view since he is very pro-Linux and has mostly used Linux for quite a few years. Without question, he is more balanced than some of the comments made by the typical Linux zealots who are truly misunderstanding what it is that most of us want for an OS. The question we might ask outselves is whether a given OS does the things we want it to do and not do the things we don't want it to do? No OS can fulfill those requirements, but at this time MS Windows does it the best for much of ham radio needs. 73, Rick, KV9U Howard Brown wrote: Did you read it? Does it seem slanted or just reporting? - Original Message From: Tooner defaultprofile@ gmail.com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:00:07 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Vista --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com mailto:digitalradi o%40yahoogroups. com, Howard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears your opinion is shared by others: http://www.desktopl inux.com/ news/NS854183741 2.html?kc= EWKNLNAV032408ST R4 http://www.desktopl inux.com/ news/NS854183741 2.html?kc= EWKNLNAV032408ST R4 One can hardly consider a Linux site to be fair-and-balanced towards it's slant on Windows. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[digitalradio] Re: RFI-Free PCs?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Need to replace the PC in the shack and would like to find something that's RFI-free out of the box. I've had terrible luck with desktop PC's, but the last two laptops (Toshiba) were very quiet. I'm leaning towards something in the small-PC catagory with an LCD monitor. Sound card and multiple USB ports are a must. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Tony -K2MO I went through this and found 2 things that solved the problem I tied the station earth to the metal case of the desktop and changed refresh rate of the monitors, this where most of the birdies where coming from. Now I can run dual screens with Cat5 extender on Mouse Keyboard + screen to another room, had to wind the cat5 cable through 15 turns on an old ferrite from TV tube to quieten it down. Peter - VK6AAL
RE: [digitalradio] RFI-Free PCs?
If you can run your radio on battery then kill the entire house at the main. If it is still there then you are in trouble. If it stops do a binary search for the circuit. Turn on Half and if not then turn that off and turn on half of the other half, etc.. When you find the circuit you are on you r way. I think it is outside the house. Does it stop if you remove the antenna? That can also give some hints. Gil, W0MN http://webpages.charter.net/gbaron N 44.082147 W 92.513085 1050' Hierro Candente, Batir de repente _ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodney Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:26 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RFI-Free PCs? Bill, I haven't been following this thread, but THANKS! You've answered several questions that I had! Now I have a question: I have an 11-meter rig in my shack (Sorry guys, but I started in CB LONG before I became a Ham and that was in 1981) that has HALF SCALE noise! I also have the same problem with my 10-meter rig! So basically, they are both useless! I've turned off all my cordless phones, computers and anything else I can think of that would cause this, but it still exists. I live in a residential area so there are houses all around me. I'm HOPING that the problem is in MY house and not in someone else's house, that way I can locate and fix the problem! Any ideas on WHAT could be generating this noise? Rod KC7CJO Bill Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:17:22 -0400, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:DXDX%40optonline.net net wrote: Need to replace the PC in the shack and would like to find something that's RFI-free out of the box. REPLY FOLLOWS What kind of RFI? RFI caused by the computer and picked up by your receiver or RFI caused by your transmitter and picked up by your computer? A couple of general observations: The first kind is caused mostly by the monitor, not the computer. Going to an LCD monitor, as you are, will cure most of that kind. The second is more difficult, but try to have the computer and transmitter physically close together with the two chassis bonded together with a short ground wire. Without that bonding wire, your interconnecting wiring creates a sort of small loop antenna. The bonding wire shorts it out. And best of all, if you can, is keep your antenna as far away from your equipment as possible, and use coax feedline instead of open wire. Use a balun at the junction of antenna and feedline to prevent current from flowing on the outside of the coax. Such current flows as a result of unbalance in the antenna system and is a major cause of RF-in-the-shack syndrome, which in turn is a major cause of computer RFI. 73, Bill W6WRT _ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs your homepage.
[digitalradio] Re: RFI-Free PCs?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP! I'm leaning towards something in the small-PC catagory with an LCD monitor. Sound card and multiple USB ports are a must. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Tony -K2MO Hi Tony; I'd second the suggestion on assembling your own. I'd get a full metal cased mini-ATX. None of that foolishness with plastic windows in the sides of the case. There are numerous great deals; many choices on MBs and CPUs. If you're not looking for big CPU power even a socket AM2 Sempron-based system would be very affordable. Then you can always upgrade the CPU in the future if you wish. Everyone has on-board sound now, but you can jumper it off and install a discrete card if you wish. And USB ports are numerous too. Not to mention the option of putting in a PCI USB card for some extras. good hunting Pete K5BCG
[digitalradio] Re: Vista another view
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Ross Biggar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Just to add another twist to the comments, I am now running all my ham programs digital and otherwise on Vista machines, using both Vista Ultimate and Vista business, all with SP1. Which by the way went in perfectly. BIG SNIP! Howdy Ross; Were all these programs XP legacy software that predated Vista? I'd suspect that there are quite a few aps that are so vanilla as far as their low level of system resources and OS elements that Vista isn't challenged. I just bought a Vista laptop to run packet with the intent of whacking Vista and installing XP Pro, but am going to wait and see if the packet ap will run. I patched to SP1 and the computer ran noticeably quicker, so the update is a must do. 73 Pete K5BCG
[digitalradio] Absent moderator
My apologies to the group. Several messages were delayed. I have been ill and am in pain when doing things like typing, so I have not been checking the group as much as I should. More X-rays coming soon, so hope to get better and check the group more carefully. Andy K3UK Owner.
Re: [digitalradio] Absent moderator
Andy, you take of your self, Hope you get better soon. Russell --- Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies to the group. Several messages were delayed. I have been ill and am in pain when doing things like typing, so I have not been checking the group as much as I should. More X-rays coming soon, so hope to get better and check the group more carefully. Andy K3UK Owner. = IN GOD WE TRUST ! = Russell Blair NC5O Skype-Russell Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [digitalradio] April QST page 35
ECM is the Linux, FlDigi/FLARQ/Syspeed suite. Walt/K5YFW Jeff Moore wrote: Walt, What's ECM ??? Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Deschutes County ARES Bend, Oregon CN94ic - Original Message - From: Walt DuBose [snip] NBEMS and ECM are just the kind of programs/applications I would want to see used. Walt/K5YFW .
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Rick wrote: As one who daily monitors the various OS issues, I had seen both of the articles beforehand. The PCMag article gave you a comparison of sorts. I think they were a bit light on Vista. They need to discuss the invasive issues of DRM which some claim is taking up a lot of computer resources, among other things such as phoning home. I don't know what it is doing for sure, but the hard drive is rarely not doing a read or write every second or so. XP does not do this. Folks need to know, there are some pretty severe design decisions which impact usability of Vista for ham radio usage. This has nothing to do with driver availability, old code, etc. One prime example involves MS design decisions capitulating to big media. As I understand the problem, soundcards can no longer be opened for read and write simultaneously. A form of full duplex operation so to speak. This is due to the chance that a pirate could playback protected media and also record it via analog loopback to an MP3. Now every previous version of windows, macs, linux, etc all allowed that. And it turns out that most soundcard based ham programs require that capability, as you need to have both open even if not running full duplex. So many just simply do not work without major rewrites. I'm sure Dave, Simon, Patrick, and the other developers are aware of this, and some may even have already addressed. But the issue is that it's a conscious design choice which broke many sound applications from speakerphone type operation to ham radio apps. And for what? If you were going to do an audio loopback and pirate, you could do it with two Vista machines. Or just about any other single computer. Or an Ipod. Or phone, etc. Or just rip the CD, which is what real pirates do. So they seriously broke something without offering any serious protection, much less an advantage to the user. Or how bout the same anti-piracy vista issue that had 100Mbit lan performance drop to a crawl if an mp3 is played, due to the new anti-piracy DRM hooks. There is a whole laundry list of compromised design decisions in Vista all to appease Big media. For corporate users, it's worse. I work for the largest computer supplier in the world. We sell vista to consumers, not by choice, but because MS required us to. It was a fight to be able to still sell XP only recently won. So here's the kicker. hundreds of thousands of company computers in operation. Due to a combination of functionality, unaddressed defects, and (yet even more) bad MS design choices, the IT department has elected to push off moving to Vista indefinitely. To the point that if possible they may wait for a successor. So Vista has the real possibility of being the next Windows ME dead end. The IT decision centers around the expense of moving to new infrastructure due to MS design changes with no functionality increase, and in many aspects, some decreases. The only one who benefits from the change is MS. But then, guess what. Large corporate users don't get locked out of XP if it does not pass validation due to a replaced hard drive, etc. So there was already a precedent where consumers have to accept MS constraints which would never fly with corporate users. At any rate, Vista issues are more than anti-MS linux zealots slinging mud. There are real issues that are going to be very difficult for developers to resolve. MS's answer is sorry, just deal with it. Me, I use XP on the work laptop, and will indefinitely. Most of the house PC's are (licensed) W2K, running just fine. If they are forced into retirement due to non-support, they will move to Ubuntu. Main email/web/ebay/programming/drawing house pc is Ubuntu. My family uses it, and does not know it's not windows. It's that close. But it runs for weeks rather than days without reboot. MS Office runs transparently under WINE, as do many of my ham programs. I recently moved an older laptop from XP to Ubuntu, and was stunned at how smoothly it operates. Meanwhile, my old scanners and printers are 100% supported plug and play under Ubuntu, yet drivers are not available for Vista. (and even XP on my flatbed scanner and graphics tablet) I'm not a Linux zealot, and will readily admit it was not ready for desktop usage in the past. I'd use XP across the board if I did not have to be concerned it may stop working when MS discontinues support for it. But I'm slowly being forced to alternatives by stuff like the Vista design choices, the bizarre Genuine Windows phone home validation schemes, etc. My dad is using Vista, and it works for him. Huge learning curve, but he's happy. I'm sure others will post that logger32 works fine for them, etc. But there are some fairly well respected ham programs which do not, and it's not the developer's or user's fault! :-) Have fun, Alan km4ba
Re: [digitalradio] April QST page 35
wow! so, what is the Mac OS-X version called ??? STILL looking for MT-63 for the Mac. chas K5DAM Walt DuBose wrote: ECM is the Linux, FlDigi/FLARQ/Syspeed suite. Walt/K5YFW Jeff Moore wrote: Walt, What's ECM ??? Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Deschutes County ARES Bend, Oregon CN94ic
