Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:19:02 +0100, Tony Maserati ableton...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm just curious - what's the point of including X11 as a dependency to vim? And then making a vim-lite port (which you usually discover after installing X11). How about making it vim and vim-x11 instead? Maybe because gvim is really *much* nicer than plain console-based vim sessions. The vim-lite port exists for those cases when you really want to install just plain good ol' vim without all the bells and whistles. You can also install editors/vim with WITHOUT_X11='true' to avoid the pulling of all this X11 stuff. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:43:13 +0100, Tony Maserati ableton...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:19:02 +0100, Tony Maserati ableton...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just curious - what's the point of including X11 as a dependency to vim? And then making a vim-lite port (which you usually discover after installing X11). How about making it vim and vim-x11 instead? Maybe because gvim is really *much* nicer than plain console-based vim sessions. The vim-lite port exists for those cases when you really want to install just plain good ol' vim without all the bells and whistles. You can also install editors/vim with WITHOUT_X11='true' to avoid the pulling of all this X11 stuff. I hear that - but if I want gvim I'll install gvim. What it's doing here is installing something I didn't ask for, well actually, it's fooling me into giving me something I don't need. The tricky bit is that there's no gvim port. There are two choices one can make when porting software like this: * Add a default port that installs the 'full experience', and a second meta-port that has options suitable for minimalists. * Add a default port that is minimal, and a meta-port that can pull in all the necessary bits for the full-blown user experience. I agree that it's confusing to remember which port has chosen which option, but there isn't much a porter (e.g. obrien in this case) can do to satisfy *both* groups of users. I'm sorry that you had to install software that you don't really need and I can help you clean up by saving your installed ports as 'binary packages' and re-installing just the bits that you _really_ want to have around. Other than that, I don't know if there's any way to change the status quo of the vim ports to be able to satisfy automatically both types of user needs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
I hear that - but if I want gvim I'll install gvim. What it's doing here is installing something I didn't ask for, well actually, it's fooling me into giving me something I don't need. Thanks. On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:19:02 +0100, Tony Maserati ableton...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm just curious - what's the point of including X11 as a dependency to vim? And then making a vim-lite port (which you usually discover after installing X11). How about making it vim and vim-x11 instead? Maybe because gvim is really *much* nicer than plain console-based vim sessions. The vim-lite port exists for those cases when you really want to install just plain good ol' vim without all the bells and whistles. You can also install editors/vim with WITHOUT_X11='true' to avoid the pulling of all this X11 stuff. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
This seems bizarre. Logically, it would seem better to do a split like vim (bare vim - what you would expect) and xvim (vim with X11) similar to how emacs does emacs/xemacs. On 1/10/2011 4:06 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:19:02 +0100, Tony Maseratiableton...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm just curious - what's the point of including X11 as a dependency to vim? And then making a vim-lite port (which you usually discover after installing X11). How about making it vim and vim-x11 instead? Maybe because gvim is really *much* nicer than plain console-based vim sessions. The vim-lite port exists for those cases when you really want to install just plain good ol' vim without all the bells and whistles. You can also install editors/vim with WITHOUT_X11='true' to avoid the pulling of all this X11 stuff. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Monday 10 January 2011 15:02:35 Ed Smith wrote: This seems bizarre. Logically, it would seem better to do a split like vim (bare vim - what you would expect) and xvim (vim with X11) similar to how emacs does emacs/xemacs. Er, no. xemacs is a fork of emacs. emacs has X-related dependencies unless you make it WITHOUT_X11. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
I hear that - but if I want gvim I'll install gvim. What it's doing here is installing something I didn't ask for, well actually, it's fooling me into giving me something I don't need. or you could just use the original vi that comes with the base system if you just want a console editor. It's better than vim if you ask me anyway. jamie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On 10/01/11 14:02, Ed Smith wrote: This seems bizarre. Logically, it would seem better to do a split like vim (bare vim - what you would expect) and xvim (vim with X11) similar to how emacs does emacs/xemacs. Totally different thing. The emacs port install GNU Emacs; the xemacs port installs XEmacs. They are completely separate projects. Vim, on the other hand, is one project, and the GUI is part of it. There is no such thing as xvim. (Also I believe the emacs port installs GNU Emacs *with a GUI*, the no-GUI version is at emacs-nox11). Firas On 1/10/2011 4:06 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:19:02 +0100, Tony Maseratiableton...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm just curious - what's the point of including X11 as a dependency to vim? And then making a vim-lite port (which you usually discover after installing X11). How about making it vim and vim-x11 instead? Maybe because gvim is really *much* nicer than plain console-based vim sessions. The vim-lite port exists for those cases when you really want to install just plain good ol' vim without all the bells and whistles. You can also install editors/vim with WITHOUT_X11='true' to avoid the pulling of all this X11 stuff. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:43:13 +0100 Tony Maserati ableton...@gmail.com wrote: I hear that - but if I want gvim I'll install gvim. What it's doing here is installing something I didn't ask for, well actually, it's fooling me into giving me something I don't need. It's not as if gvim is something separate. gvim is just a symlink to vim that gets installed when vim is built with GUI support. It seems a sensible arrangement; desktops already have Xorg, servers that have no need of it should have WITHOUT_X11 set globally. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:02:35 -0500, Ed Smith abandon.every.h...@gmail.com wrote: This seems bizarre. Logically, it would seem better to do a split like vim (bare vim - what you would expect) and xvim (vim with X11) similar to how emacs does emacs/xemacs. XEmacs[1] is not 'Emacs with X11 support', but a very different editor. The main GNU Emacs port (editors/emacs) does include support for X11, and it's actually a lot more pleasant to use under X window. [1] http://xemacs.org/ Its name is certainly slightly confusing now that people have gotten accustomed to all the 'foo' vs. 'xfoo' ports, but the XEmacs editor has been around for a *long* time, so let's not confuse it for something very different from what it is :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@freebsd.orgwrote: I'm sorry that you had to install software that you don't really need and I can help you clean up by saving your installed ports as 'binary packages' and re-installing just the bits that you _really_ want to have around. Other than that, I don't know if there's any way to change the status quo of the vim ports to be able to satisfy automatically both types of user needs. My not a 'make config' target that asks weather we want vim/gvim/xvim (if X isn't installed?) C- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
Quoth Chris Brennan on Monday, 10 January 2011: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@freebsd.orgwrote: I'm sorry that you had to install software that you don't really need and I can help you clean up by saving your installed ports as 'binary packages' and re-installing just the bits that you _really_ want to have around. Other than that, I don't know if there's any way to change the status quo of the vim ports to be able to satisfy automatically both types of user needs. My not a 'make config' target that asks weather we want vim/gvim/xvim (if X isn't installed?) C- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Yes! +1 And while you're at it, add the options for Ruby/Perl/Python support, instead of having to add WITH_RUBY=yes, etc. to make.conf. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com | http://chipstips.com pgptqjtF6vX4S.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:00:39 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@freebsd.orgwrote: I'm sorry that you had to install software that you don't really need and I can help you clean up by saving your installed ports as 'binary packages' and re-installing just the bits that you _really_ want to have around. Other than that, I don't know if there's any way to change the status quo of the vim ports to be able to satisfy automatically both types of user needs. My not a 'make config' target that asks weather we want vim/gvim/xvim (if X isn't installed?) There's already a slave port ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
Quoth Giorgos Keramidas on Monday, 10 January 2011: Maybe because gvim is really *much* nicer than plain console-based vim sessions. How can that be the case, when gvim is an X11 program? I've used both -- give me good old console-based vim any day. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com | http://chipstips.com pgpnZfTDg1nJK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On 09/01/2011 22:19, Tony Maserati wrote: Hi, I'm just curious - what's the point of including X11 as a dependency to vim? And then making a vim-lite port (which you usually discover after installing X11). How about making it vim and vim-x11 instead? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org You must wait that the vim maintainer want to switch to the OPTIONS framework. Actually he does not want to do it. He prefers to be alone to use the old KNOB system just to do `not like all other people`. So because you can't make a convenient `make config` you need to read the makefile or installing ports-mgmt/lsknobs, run lsknobs in the current port path and then set every knob you want in /etc/make.conf But be careful ! Because make.conf is used by every port you should use ports-mgmt/portconf to write only vim knob in /usr/local/etc/ports.conf like : editors/vim: WITHOUT_X11. Isn't that convenient? :-) -- David Demelier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:19:02 +0100 Tony Maserati ableton...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm just curious - what's the point of including X11 as a dependency to vim? And then making a vim-lite port (which you usually discover after installing X11). How about making it vim and vim-x11 instead? I guess the next time you should simply install: /usr/ports/editors/vim-lite/ Andreas. -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565|http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 pgpSevs8cxKAJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:42:04 + RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:00:39 -0500 Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Giorgos Keramidas keram...@freebsd.orgwrote: I'm sorry that you had to install software that you don't really need and I can help you clean up by saving your installed ports as 'binary packages' and re-installing just the bits that you _really_ want to have around. Other than that, I don't know if there's any way to change the status quo of the vim ports to be able to satisfy automatically both types of user needs. My not a 'make config' target that asks weather we want vim/gvim/xvim (if X isn't installed?) There's already a slave port FWIW I just had a look and for me there is practically no difference. The additional direct dependencies are commonplace desktop dependency ports, and the vim binary shrinks from 1.7MB to 1.4MB, just 298kB. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Just wanted to install vim - had to spend entire day building X11
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Tony Maserati ableton...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm just curious - what's the point of including X11 as a dependency to vim? And then making a vim-lite port (which you usually discover after installing X11). How about making it vim and vim-x11 instead? It's because of gVIM throw WITHOUT_X11=true into /etc/make.conf next time :D hth/c- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
