Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Peter


On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:


Hi Peter,
I've noticed these problems also. Seems to come and go. We are also using 
Actcom.


It is not just actcom, I checked 3 providers, in the country and out of 
it. All had problems. Maybe a backbone router died or something.


Peter

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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Micha Silver



Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:


Hi Peter,
I've noticed these problems also. Seems to come and go. We are also 
using Actcom.


 - yba



Actcom was purchased by Bezeq Ben-leumi. Maybe this is the result??


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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Micha Silver wrote:
 Actcom was purchased by Bezeq Ben-leumi. Maybe this is the result??
Let's not start the FUD, shall we?

In Equal Rites, by Terry Pratchett, an old witch is teaching an
apprentice witch the secrets of the trade. She comes to the subject of
curses. The quote goes, loosely:
One day you, too, will have to curse. Make it long. Make it
unpronounceable. Make it up if you have to. The next day, when his
finger is hit by an accidental hammer, he'll remember your course.

Just to set the record straight, Actcom was not, yet, purchased by
anyone. The deal is awaiting the approval of the government. If the
relevant branch (not sure which one it is, probably in the chamber of
commerce) decide that there is danger that such a merger will reduce the
competition in Israel dangerously low then the deal will not be approved
at all.

Until the deal is approved (and, probably, for some time after it's
approved) you see absolutely no change in anything regarding service
from the company. I think it's fairly safe to say that whatever the
problem is, whether it's a problem on Peter's computer, in the
infrastructure, or at Actcom's, it has nothing to do with the planned
acquisition.

Shachar

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Why the Internet sucks

2007-01-18 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
In case you haven't been following the English press, both HOT and YES
have dropped English language channels. This has caused an uproar among
the English speaking (aka Anglo) community here.

I was interviewd by a reporter for Haaretz, and also commented in my blog,
that now that people were angry at both they would be changing the way
they spent their entertainment shequels. I also commented that anyone
who had an Internet connection would quickly find out that they 
could bootleg the programs for free without YES or HOT and this would
really clog the Internet. 

While I did not tell her how to bootleg the programs, as assuming I 
did know how, it would not be appropriate for me to tell anyone.
If someone was interested they would have to find out on their own.

The Jerusalem Post was far more forthcomming, they listed URLs in their
articles.

I have heard that 70-80 percent of the Internet's traffic was BitTorrent 
files, and most of them were bootlegs. After this latest increase in
downloading to replace what was free, but is no longer available, 
I expect that almost all of the traffic in Israel is downloading bootleg
files, most of it TV programs that people used to watch on BBC Prime (dropped
by HOT) or Star World (dropped by YES).

In plain English, there goes the neighborhood. :-(

Geoff.

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Re: Why the Internet sucks

2007-01-18 Thread Tzahi Fadida
Just a little correction: IIRC YES moved StarWorld to channel 270.
(Just a little FYI to all the Trekkies out there :) ).

On Thursday 18 January 2007 12:13, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
 In case you haven't been following the English press, both HOT and YES
 have dropped English language channels. This has caused an uproar among
 the English speaking (aka Anglo) community here.

 I was interviewd by a reporter for Haaretz, and also commented in my blog,
 that now that people were angry at both they would be changing the way
 they spent their entertainment shequels. I also commented that anyone
 who had an Internet connection would quickly find out that they
 could bootleg the programs for free without YES or HOT and this would
 really clog the Internet.

 While I did not tell her how to bootleg the programs, as assuming I
 did know how, it would not be appropriate for me to tell anyone.
 If someone was interested they would have to find out on their own.

 The Jerusalem Post was far more forthcomming, they listed URLs in their
 articles.

 I have heard that 70-80 percent of the Internet's traffic was BitTorrent
 files, and most of them were bootlegs. After this latest increase in
 downloading to replace what was free, but is no longer available,
 I expect that almost all of the traffic in Israel is downloading bootleg
 files, most of it TV programs that people used to watch on BBC Prime
 (dropped by HOT) or Star World (dropped by YES).

 In plain English, there goes the neighborhood. :-(

 Geoff.

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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:32:39AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
 Until the deal is approved (and, probably, for some time after it's
 approved) you see absolutely no change in anything regarding service
 from the company.

That's an interesting point, but IMHO completely wrong. You are assuming
that announcing the deal had no effect on ActCom. For example, I will
NEVER purchase anything that comes from BEZEQ International (BBL). If
they become the ONLY company selling Internet access in the country, I'll
live without it.

Since my yearly contract with HOT and Netvision is up this month, and my
connection has deteriorated in terms of staying up, from one failure
every other month, to three or four a week, I'm looking for alternatives.

Now that the possibility exists that if I sign up with ActCom, I'll end
up with BBL, they are no longer under consideration.

While I doubt that most people don't feel as strongly as I do, there are
lots of people out there who won't use their services. If they were
considering a new ISP, they won't consider ActCom, if they were ActCom
customers and their contract is up, they will change ISPs.

This will cause ActCom's income to go down, which means they will have to 
reduce their expenses. One thing you don't want to do is to have lower
profits when you are trying to sell your company. Since most people have
no idea of what performance they get, or are supposed to get, the first
thing ActCom will do is to reduce the international bandwidth they buy.

This has probably started already, and will continue.

Geoff.

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Re: Why the Internet sucks

2007-01-18 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 12:38:15PM +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote:
 Just a little correction: IIRC YES moved StarWorld to channel 270.
 (Just a little FYI to all the Trekkies out there :) ).

They moved it, but as of the 15th, it's GONE!! No one except me
complained.

Geoff.
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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Peter


On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Micha Silver wrote:


Actcom was purchased by Bezeq Ben-leumi. Maybe this is the result??


I knew that. And the other two providers ?

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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Peter


On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:


This has probably started already, and will continue.


I do not agree. The bandwidth contracts cannot be cut at such short 
notice. Also the problems affected everyone (3 providers) during the 
time I was complaining about. The problems seem to be caused by high 
load (dropped packets) and maybe misconfig on the backbone switches and 
routers (which should be set up to put torrent streaming traffic where 
it belongs, at equal bandwidth with other services - as you know a 
torrent download will connect simultaneously to several hosts and pull 
data as fast as it can, and may drop and reconnect several times as the 
network can't cope or slows down). The bittorrent issue could be partly 
responsible.


Peter

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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Dotan Cohen

On 18/01/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:32:39AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
 Until the deal is approved (and, probably, for some time after it's
 approved) you see absolutely no change in anything regarding service
 from the company.

That's an interesting point, but IMHO completely wrong. You are assuming
that announcing the deal had no effect on ActCom. For example, I will
NEVER purchase anything that comes from BEZEQ International (BBL). If
they become the ONLY company selling Internet access in the country, I'll
live without it.

Since my yearly contract with HOT and Netvision is up this month, and my
connection has deteriorated in terms of staying up, from one failure
every other month, to three or four a week, I'm looking for alternatives.

Now that the possibility exists that if I sign up with ActCom, I'll end
up with BBL, they are no longer under consideration.

While I doubt that most people don't feel as strongly as I do, there are
lots of people out there who won't use their services. If they were
considering a new ISP, they won't consider ActCom, if they were ActCom
customers and their contract is up, they will change ISPs.

This will cause ActCom's income to go down, which means they will have to
reduce their expenses. One thing you don't want to do is to have lower
profits when you are trying to sell your company. Since most people have
no idea of what performance they get, or are supposed to get, the first
thing ActCom will do is to reduce the international bandwidth they buy.

This has probably started already, and will continue.

Geoff.



I've actually been very happy with Actcom. I've got my own static IP
address and a 1.5 MB line for 40 shaH a month. Before I had a router,
they help me set up scripts to connect me to the 'net. If Bezek buys
them I'll stay so long as it's Actcom representatives that I deal with
and not Bezek idiots. However, the day I call them and someone answers
the phone with the word Bezek in their mouth, I'm gone.

That said, I've noticed a slowdown of my net access over the past few
weeks. I thought that it was entrophy building up in my distro, and
that the time had come to reinstall.

Dotan Cohen

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Re: Why are GNOME applications (and applets) take so much [EMAIL PROTECTED] memory ?

2007-01-18 Thread Dotan Cohen

On 16/01/07, Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Oded, people...

Few weeks ago, I worked temporarily at a small company, and they gave
me a PC which was with Athlon XP (if I recall it was 1.6 Ghz or
something) with 756MB RAM to work with.

So, I installed CentOS 4.4, upgraded my KDE 3.5.5, and upgraded
OpenOffice to the latest one, and used FireFox 2 for browsing. I
started to work.

I started to use OpenOffice to write a small spreadshot. BOY was it
slow as hell! it was so slow that I was almost sure I had some Pentium
2 300Mhz processor.
Switching apps (using ALT TAB) was a PITA. I have not been running
many applications: Twinkle, Kopete, FireFox, KMail, OO, and Konsole.
Nothing more. The machine was crawling.

I took Office 2003 from the Windows team, installed Crossover 6 (the
latest version finally solves the flickering flash bug), and started
to use Office 2003. Finally I could write somthing without the machine
being crawling, but opening few more tabs in FF 2, and the machine
crawled again..

My opinion: Some serious debate needs to be occured, whether in
slashdor or the mailing lists, some sort of shake up in the
GNOME/KDE development community, to remind them that this situation
cannot be continue, and some diet is required.

I heard my advocates who recommend people to switch to Linux and use
KDE or GNOME with 256MB RAM. To them I can say HA HA! go ahead, fire
the latest GNOME and open 2-3 apps and give the machine a minute or
so, it will be almost unresponsive. It's better in KDE but not by
much. If someone wants something speedy, they should look at using
FVWM, flux box or any other lite window manager and use some
independent applications. I used FVWM with Kopete and KMAIL and
Konqueror, and the results were pretty good on a 192MB machine. I
tried to switch to GNOME (yes, stupid decision) and I had to reset the
machine in order to get my control back.

Today, everyone is laughing/amazed by the hardware requirement of
Windows VISTA (specially with Aero Glass interface). Well, my friends,
at this pace, GNOME (and maybe even KDE) is going at this way, with
all the latest GLX eye-candy, and the hefty memory requirements. I do
not know the future, but I do remember KDE usage only few years ago
with a Pentium 4 1.7Ghz, 512MB RAM, and it was very usable and
enjoyable.

Thanks,
Hetz



KDE is still very usable, if you use it. Instead of FIrefox, use
Konqueror. Instead of OpenOffice, use KOffice. Instead of Thunderbird,
use Kmail. You'll find that it'll run just fine on a machine with
128MB RAM, even though the KDE developers recommend 192MB.

And don't runn Apache, Bind, SSH, or other daemeons in the background
if you don't need them.

Dotan Cohen

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Re: How Can We Help to Make this Happen?

2007-01-18 Thread Dotan Cohen

On 16/01/07, Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Amichai,
IMHO what we have to offer to make this happen is to pool our collective
intelligence (or lack thereof) to start writing public policy.

The market will not correct itself in the short run because of the cost
benefit factors that the spokesperson from the TA municipality so
correctly cites. So the only alternative is to lobby for a public policy
on open source, and we are the only people who can write that policy.

In order for the policy to have a chance of being accepted it probably has
to be drafted as a requirement to follow international standards (ODT, W3C
HTML, etc..) in order to ensure equal access to all communities or
some such politically fashionable language. The place to apply this policy
is probably with the Bank of Israel, the Ministry of Finance, and finally
the Knesset itself. Our ally in this is probably ISOC-IL and perhaps a few
oddball academics.

If any of you are interested in puting some time and effor into this
please contact me off list.

 - yba



I'm replying on-list because I've got the time and resources to be
active online, but not in person. I'm a student (like Amichai and I'm
certain others) and that means that I've no free time. But if I can
use products or services that promote FLOSS, then I'm all for it.

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RE: Bar Ilan Respnsa or Judaic Library CD

2007-01-18 Thread Nati CT
Have you tried applying the following patch?
http://www.biu.ac.il/JH/Responsa/contact.htm#Question_2:
http://www.biu.ac.il/JH/Responsa/contact.htm 





-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:55 PM
To: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Bar Ilan Respnsa or Judaic Library CD

Is anyone familiar with the Bar Ilan Responsa or Judaic Library CDs?

These contain a library of Hebrew Texts. There is strong copywright 
control and the software only runs if the original CD is inserted in the 
drive.

I have got the CD running in a virtual Windows XP environment under 
vmware but I would rather have it working under wine. I have installed 
it and mapped the CD drive to d: but when I try and run the software I 
get the message Please insert original CD. The original CD is inserted 
and mounted.

It seems that the program must detect the original CD. This works in 
Windows and virtual Windows but how do I get it working in wine?

Thanks,


Alan

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A new approach to illegal downloads

2007-01-18 Thread Peter


Excellent novel Open Source type approach to a serious problem from EA. 
I hope that the idiots who push DRM and 'media control' get the point 
and take the hint:


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/17/yourmoney/media.php

Peter P.

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Re: How Can We Help to Make this Happen?

2007-01-18 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום ראשון 14 ינואר 2007, 11:45, נכתב על ידי Amichai Rotman:
 http://netmag.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=420657

We can stop marstubating and talking about free software and imrpoove existing 
one. We need:

* OpenOffice.org to fully support hebrew. Importing DOC files is a must. 
Tables inside tables a must. HSpell integration out of the box on the 
official builds (not only the local ones). OOo still needs polishing.

* Mozilla's input line have no hebrew support. There are a log of bugs open - 
close them. Pango integration on X11 - which neans nijjud will work finally. 

* A usable ICQ client. All of the client have the same problem: no direction 
control, not RTF support, and no SMS support. Many people use those things on 
a daily basis, in fact many users have ICQ just to send SMS.

* A lot of polising in the default UI presented by GNome in RTL mode. The 
default layout is a piece of garbage, I don't care what people think - it's 
just badly done.

I assume more can be talked about, I will stop here.

- diego

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Re: Why the Internet sucks

2007-01-18 Thread Diego Iastrubni
ביום חמישי 18 ינואר 2007, 12:38, נכתב על ידי Tzahi Fadida:
 Just a little correction: IIRC YES moved StarWorld to channel 270.
 (Just a little FYI to all the Trekkies out there :) ).

Which days and hours? :)

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Re: Why the Internet sucks

2007-01-18 Thread Tzahi Fadida
On Thursday 18 January 2007 19:59, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
 ביום חמישי 18 ינואר 2007, 12:38, נכתב על ידי Tzahi Fadida:
  Just a little correction: IIRC YES moved StarWorld to channel 270.
  (Just a little FYI to all the Trekkies out there :) ).

Sorry, did not know that.
I guess it is lucky i just moved to HOT.


 Which days and hours? :)

Saturday at 19:00 there is the last (probably ever) season of Enterprise.


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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Oron Peled
On Thursday, 18 בJanuary 2007 16:46, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 That said, I've noticed a slowdown of my net access over the past few
 weeks. I thought that it was entrophy building up in my distro, and
 that the time had come to reinstall.

Care to explain? How exactly does entropy build up in your distro?
Disk fragmentation I can understand, but a re-installation that
would accelerate your packets is some new theory I haven't heard of.

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Re: Why are GNOME applications (and applets) take so much [EMAIL PROTECTED] memory ?

2007-01-18 Thread Oded Arbel
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 22:40 +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote:
 Let's compare a few clock applications:
 
 app   VIRTRES NOTE
 xdaliclock3756796
 oclock36321540
 xclock85442976
 kclock.kss25840   8164
 clock-applet (Gnome)  90212   11256   (only the applet process)
 clock_panelapplet (KDE)   33664   12028   (for kicker with only a clock 
 applet)

Hardly fair - Kicker does tons of stuff even when no applet is loaded -
its the entire panel mechanism (including the main menu, or without ?).
If you want to compare apples and apples, you should compare your KDE
figure with the sum of gnome's clock applet and gnome-panel (entirely -
everything that is painted on the gnome-panel is out-of-process).

 Trying to understand where Gnome's clock-applet's huge VIRT comes from,
 I discovered something very interesting. It start with just 28 MB of VIRT,
 but at the moment you right-click on the clock, and a menu pops up, it grows
 to, belive it or not - 90 MB. That's 60 MB to show a menu !?
 I diffed the /proc/../maps, and this is what the extra 60 MB contain: 0.5 MB
 of newly allocated memory, plus a lot of mapped files; One interesting mapped
 file is the HUGE /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/icon-theme.cache, taking up 28 MB
 of mapped space!

I'll check some of the other suspects to see whats in their mappings.
Funny enough, gnome-system-monitor has a UI for /proc/../maps, which -
if I'm reading it correctly - shows that Evolution with a relatively
small VIRT of 500MB maps over 200MB of it as writable memory. Just as a
comparison, that 200MB is almost twice as the entire VIRT size of KMail.

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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Oded Arbel
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 13:39 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
 Companies that are also long distance carriers split their bandwidth between
 telephone and Internet service. They adjust it on the fly to keep the phones
 working. When there are lots of calls in progress, Internet bandwidth is
 decreased.

I would argue that there are ISPs in Israel which have lines dedicated
to internet as they are not telephony carriers, but this really isn't
the case anymore, right ? ;-)

 If at their main routers, an ISP lowers the peak useage available to their 
 Internet customers, their throughput and peak useage charges go down.
 This does not require a contract change, notification of customers, etc.

As far as I know, the actual pipes leading out of Israel (fiber and
satellites) are far from being fully utilized (I no longer have up to
date figures, but I'd be surprised if int'l connectivity is at over 50%
capacity), and its cheaper to get more bandwidth on demand then lower
throughput to customers, in case of unexpected usage peaks.

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You know you have it when you can't think of anything that's your own
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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Dotan Cohen

On 18/01/07, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday, 18 בJanuary 2007 16:46, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 That said, I've noticed a slowdown of my net access over the past few
 weeks. I thought that it was entrophy building up in my distro, and
 that the time had come to reinstall.

Care to explain? How exactly does entropy build up in your distro?
Disk fragmentation I can understand, but a re-installation that
would accelerate your packets is some new theory I haven't heard of.



I was thinking along the lines of log files filling up and dns cache
files filling up. What do I know about that stuff? :)

But until I prove otherwise, I always assume that the fault lies with
myself and my system rather than the providers of services. Certainly
there are problems that I don't know about that could cause my net
access to appear slower with time. Even something as simple as adding
too many Firefox extensions can have that effect.

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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Oded Arbel
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:42 +0200, Oron Peled wrote:
 On Thursday, 18 בJanuary 2007 16:46, Dotan Cohen wrote:
  That said, I've noticed a slowdown of my net access over the past few
  weeks. I thought that it was entrophy building up in my distro, and
  that the time had come to reinstall.
 
 Care to explain? How exactly does entropy build up in your distro?
 Disk fragmentation I can understand, but a re-installation that
 would accelerate your packets is some new theory I haven't heard of.

I thought its obvious from the second law of thermodynamics ?

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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 12:18:23AM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote:
 As far as I know, the actual pipes leading out of Israel (fiber and
 satellites) are far from being fully utilized (I no longer have up to
 date figures, but I'd be surprised if int'l connectivity is at over 50%
 capacity), and its cheaper to get more bandwidth on demand then lower
 throughput to customers, in case of unexpected usage peaks.

But that's not my point. While it's cheaper to get more bandwidth on
demand, if you are trying to raise profits in anticipation of selling
the company, then the easiest way is to limit your throughput, if you
pay by either (or both) throughput (bytes transfered) or peak demand.

Since during peak demand people have gotten used to lower performance, they
hardly could tell. If you can limit your peak bandwidth to 90% of what it was
and save 10% of your real costs, it would make a big difference. Your
customers probably would not notice, but the purchaser of your company
would. 

By the time the customers figured out what happened, the sale would have 
been made, and you would be sitting on a beach in Tahiti. :-)

Geoff. 



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Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?

2007-01-18 Thread Oron Peled
On Friday, 19 בJanuary 2007 00:22, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 I was thinking along the lines of log files filling up

logrotate?

 and dns cache files filling up.

What dns cache files? AFAIK, named(8) has a memory cache only.
[even if it did have disk cache, isn't simpler to trim cache files
 than reinstall your operating system :-O

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Re: How Can We Help to Make this Happen?

2007-01-18 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham

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Hi linux-il members,
Diegos's list looks reasonable to me. Is there a concensus?

  - yba


On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Diego Iastrubni wrote:

 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:52:03 +0200
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 Subject: Re: How Can We Help to Make this Happen?
 
 áéåí øàùåï 14 éðåàø 2007, 11:45, ðëúá òì éãé Amichai Rotman:
 http://netmag.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=420657

 We can stop marstubating and talking about free software and imrpoove existing
 one. We need:

 * OpenOffice.org to fully support hebrew. Importing DOC files is a must.
 Tables inside tables a must. HSpell integration out of the box on the
 official builds (not only the local ones). OOo still needs polishing.

 * Mozilla's input line have no hebrew support. There are a log of bugs open -
 close them. Pango integration on X11 - which neans nijjud will work finally.

 * A usable ICQ client. All of the client have the same problem: no direction
 control, not RTF support, and no SMS support. Many people use those things on
 a daily basis, in fact many users have ICQ just to send SMS.

 * A lot of polising in the default UI presented by GNome in RTL mode. The
 default layout is a piece of garbage, I don't care what people think - it's
 just badly done.

 I assume more can be talked about, I will stop here.

 - diego

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