Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-12-12 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 7:27 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > I'd also drop all the preconditions like using defaults. Pretty much > any possible installer allowed configuration that trips up this test > case is an eyeball opener and should be tracked down. > +1 > > > > >

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-12-12 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 5:14 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > What's the point of running the checks from Live image as well? The local > > filesystems will likely get wiped and re-created anyway. Extra failures > in > > the log might just confuse us when reading the bug report. > > That was in

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-12-11 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 7:05 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2019-12-07 at 09:45 -0500, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > > I think I have it close to what you want. Please let me know. > > > > Here's the link: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tablepc/Draft_testcase_reboot > > > >

Re: [Test-Announce] 2019-12-09 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2019-12-09 Thread Kamil Paral
On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 2:46 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > # Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting > # Date: 2019-12-09 > # Time: 16:00 UTC > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) > # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net > > Greetings testers! > > We have a couple of active

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-12-06 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:07 PM pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > > On 12/5/19 03:56, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > > Here's the email I had in mind, containing the important journal > messages: > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/tes

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-05 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 9:33 AM Julen Landa Alustiza < jla...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > 19/12/4 15:34(e)an, Kamil Paral igorleak idatzi zuen: > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:22 PM Tim Flink wrote: > >> Has anyone poked at scoping out the work required for either the

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-12-05 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > On 12/3/19 06:27, Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:43 PM pmkel...@frontier.com < > pmkel...@frontier.com> > > wrote: > > > >> I have the update ready. I think I interpolated the

Re: Test request: BZ 1773879

2019-12-05 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 6:23 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > Hi team, > > If you have some spare time and a ThinkPad (particularly the T490), > can you please see if you can replicate the behavior reported in: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1773879 > > In today's Prioritized Bugs meeting,

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:15 PM Geoffrey Marr wrote: > Kamil, > > I wasn't intending the time we would get together each week for voting, > instead for time spent discussing and clarifying any discrepancies we may > have with the bugs. By the time we would have this 30 or so minute >

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:22 PM Tim Flink wrote: > Has anyone poked at scoping out the work required for either the bot or > the enhancements we would need for pagure? > Lukáš Brabec looked into it, and creating a new Pagure ticket is a matter of a few lines of code (already written). Extending

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 8:29 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I pretty much agree with all the points you made on the various systems. > That said, I think this is kinda a bad time to be doing this change. > There's a lot of... (grumblings? rumors? idle converstations?) about the > various

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-03 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 1:18 PM Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > > Abstain is useful if there are conflicts of interest, or to indicate no >> preference either way, or as a result of confusion. I chock up more than >> one abstain vote as an indicator the proposal isn't persuasive enough. >> Indeed if

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-03 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 11:47 PM Geoffrey Marr wrote: > Kamil, > > Thanks for working on this. I am glad we are considering something > different here, as the current process is not perfect. > > Personally, of the suggested options, I think that using Pagure is my > preferred option. I think of

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-03 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:19 PM pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > > > On 12/2/19 07:03, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > > I'm not familiar with kanban/taiga. What is the benefit over using > standard > > (Pagure) tickets? > > > > > > The kanban/taiga i

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-03 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:02 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > I want to speak up in defense of synchronous meetings. I acknowledge > that the timing is rather convenient for me personally (it's 12–3pm my > time), which makes it easier for me to see the upsides. > > The big benefit is the high bandwidth

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-12-03 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 7:43 PM pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > I have the update ready. I think I interpolated the discussion > correctly, but probably leaned toward the "keep it simple for now" case. > Please let me know if there are further changes needed. Here's the link: > >

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-12-02 Thread Kamil Paral
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:40 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 5:30 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > Pagure > > *** > > > > This is very similar to the Bugzilla description. For each proposed > blocker, we (auto-)create a ticket in a "fe

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-12-02 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 7:30 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 5:10 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > Sounds reasonable to test both LiveOS and the installed system. Does it > make sense to test both installed system's reboot and poweroff, though? Are >

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-11-29 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 8:29 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > FAT, ext4, and XFS all have a kind of "dirty bit" set upon mount. It's > removed when cleanly unmounted. Therefore if the file system isn't > mounted, but the "dirty bit" is set, it can be assumed it was not > cleanly unmounted. Both kernel

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-11-29 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:46 AM Lukas Brabec wrote: > > 2. Blocker Bugs App (BBA) detects the new blocker and creates a new > ticket in Pagure in the "fedora-blockers" project, then updates the bug to > link to this ticket (a new comment, a Links entry). It shows both the bug > and the

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-11-29 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 11:29 PM Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 1:31 PM Kamil Paral wrote: > >> >> 5. Once some kind of understanding of the issue is formed, a privileged >> member (e.g. a member of @fedora-qa FAS group) can start the

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-11-28 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 5:59 PM Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > > 7. People vote by submitting comments containing VOTE +1/0/-1 on a >> separate line (and including any justification or feedback they wish in the >> comment as well; the command has to simply be on its own line so that we >> can detect it

Re: Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-11-28 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 5:14 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > So overall I agree with a lot of what you wrote. It does cause me to > wonder if writing some kind of plugin/extension for Pagure, or just > writing the functionality into the blockerbugs app, might possibly be > *less* work than writing

Proposal: Asynchronous blocker review process (using Pagure)

2019-11-28 Thread Kamil Paral
We've talked about replacing blocker bug review meetings with something else for a long time. The meeting has an upside of a higher communication bandwidth, but also a downside of requiring participants to be available at the same time (throughout the world), often being extremely long, and being

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-11-28 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 9:17 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 10:35 AM pmkel...@frontier.com > wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tablepc/Draft_testcase_reboot > > Why does it need to happen on baremetal only? Any problem discovered > by this test case is sure to

Re: Updates to disk unmount test case.

2019-11-27 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 9:16 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2019-11-26 at 13:59 -0500, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > > > > I assure you that I wasn't being lazy when I created the web draft test > > case. It wasn't copied from e'mail, but from my original LibriWriter > > file where I

Re: Updates to disk unmount test case.

2019-11-27 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:59 PM pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > Kamil, > > I have received your input. Thank you; I appreciate your help. > > With the holiday this week, I will start on the updates next week and > send a note when it is done. > Sure, no rush. Pat, one more thing, can you please

Re: For today's agenda item - Proposed disk unmount test case

2019-11-26 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:39 PM pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > Here is a link to the List discussion on the subject item: > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/search?q=drive+dismount+test+case=1=test%40lists.fedoraproject.org=date-asc > > I don't have a current example of this

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Disallow Empty Password By Default

2019-11-26 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:27 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DisallowEmptyPasswordsByDefault > > == Summary == > Remove ''nullok'' parameter from pam_unix module in default PAM > configuration in order to disallow authentication with empty password. > > == Owner ==

Re: Qemu issue upgrading to FC31

2019-11-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 1:02 AM ToddAndMargo via test < test@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hi All, > > Fedora 30, attempting to upgrade to Fedora 31 > > # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=31 --allowerasing > --best --skip-broken > > Error: > Problem: cannot install the best

Re: Proposal: Toggle key criterion

2019-10-29 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:34 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 7:11 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > > I guess the proposed criterion should get adjusted per our latest > discussion in blocker review meeting, i.e. this one: > > > > 16:28:24 #agreed 1755898 - Ac

Re: Proposal: Toggle key criterion

2019-10-09 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 5:47 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2019-09-30 at 15:19 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > As we discussed in today's blocker review meeting[1], I am presenting > > a draft proposal for the toggle keys. I am proposing this as a *final* > > criterion, but would not object to

Re: Highlights from the latest Copr release

2019-10-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:37 PM Pavel Raiskup wrote: > Hello, > > today (on Oct 4, 2019), new Copr release landed production. > > This was mostly a bugfix release, with some optimization/reliability > patches interesting for copr administrators. But there were few exciting > changes for the

Re: Highlights from the latest Copr release

2019-10-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:37 PM Pavel Raiskup wrote: > Hello, > > today (on Oct 4, 2019), new Copr release landed production. > > This was mostly a bugfix release, with some optimization/reliability > patches interesting for copr administrators. But there were few exciting > changes for the

Re: Gnome on F31: X and Wayland clipboard weirdness(es)/regressions

2019-10-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:50 PM Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > > > Both have been rejected as blockers due to being too "edge case". But >> pasting into QT applications seems sufficiently broad to be considering as >> blocking, I think. So if your problems are not related to those two issues >> (e.g.

Re: Gnome on F31: X and Wayland clipboard weirdness(es)/regressions

2019-10-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:30 PM Ankur Sinha wrote: > Hello, > > I ran into an issues with copy/pasting on F31 with the new Gnome 3.34. > Are these known, or are they expected and if not where should one file > bugs please? > > gnome-shell-3.34.0-3.fc31.x86_64 > > > --- Issue 1 > > X

Re: Proposal: Toggle key criterion

2019-10-01 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 9:19 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > As we discussed in today's blocker review meeting[1], I am presenting > a draft proposal for the toggle keys. I am proposing this as a *final* > criterion, but would not object to adding it as a beta criterion. > > == Keyboard toggle keys == >

Re: proposal: move "image size" criterion from Beta to Final

2019-09-20 Thread Kamil Paral
I'm happy we have some automation in place now, but I feel this whole discussion went somewhat off-topic from the proposal. It seems I haven't gained any support for simply moving the criterion to Final, and I don't really want to make such a trivial check more complex (in terms of release

Re: proposal: move "image size" criterion from Beta to Final

2019-09-18 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:35 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:55 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > Considering this, I believe it makes sense to move the current criterion > from Beta to Final. > > > I'd be okay with letting the responsible team specify

Re: proposal: move "image size" criterion from Beta to Final

2019-09-18 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:38 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > We could consider still enforcing sizes which clearly relate to optical > media (so, basically, 700MB and 4.7GB sizes). > But we enforce them, for Final. And for Beta, we don't block on optical media anyway. That was one of my arguments

Re: proposal: move "image size" criterion from Beta to Final

2019-09-18 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 7:34 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 7:55 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > We currently have the following Beta criterion: > > "The release-blocking images must meet current size requirements." [1] > > > > The lat

proposal: move "image size" criterion from Beta to Final

2019-09-17 Thread Kamil Paral
We currently have the following Beta criterion: "The release-blocking images must meet current size requirements." [1] The latest "Workstation image is oversized" bug [2] showed that we don't consider this requirement to be that critical. People mostly agreed that having a slightly oversized

Re: Update to last minute blocker bugs proposal (Rev:07242019)

2019-09-17 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:06 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > I still consider automatic blockers to be about obviousness (not > criticality), but I'm open to different resolutions here anyway, if we > want to come up with something really clear. > For the record, we talked about this yesterday in

Re: Update to last minute blocker bugs proposal (Rev:07242019)

2019-09-16 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:44 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2019-09-13 at 13:53 +0200, Kamil Paral wrote: > > As I feel it (and would like to have it), "automatic blockers" imply they > > are such core and basic issues that they are non-questionable and > >

Re: proposal: rename "target size" to "maximum size" for release-blocking images

2019-09-16 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 5:42 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2019-09-13 at 08:44 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 8:09 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > > Related to Workstation image oversize bug [1] and the related > > > Go/NoGo meeting, I'd like to

proposal: rename "target size" to "maximum size" for release-blocking images

2019-09-13 Thread Kamil Paral
Related to Workstation image oversize bug [1] and the related Go/NoGo meeting, I'd like to propose to rename the image-related term "target size" to "maximum size". The rename would affect the following pages: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/31/ReleaseBlocking

Re: Update to last minute blocker bugs proposal (Rev:07242019)

2019-09-13 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 3:11 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2019-08-09 at 19:04 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2019-08-09 at 18:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2019-07-24 at 10:04 -0400, pmkel...@frontier.com wrote: > > > > I got feedback from Adam and Ben today;

Re: Problem with locking user session

2019-09-12 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:46 PM Kamil Paral wrote: > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:59 PM wrote: > >> F31 Workstation fully updated. >> Strange behaviour after I create a user in addition to the one created >> during initial setup. >> >> So, create a new us

Re: Problem with locking user session

2019-09-11 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:59 PM wrote: > F31 Workstation fully updated. > Strange behaviour after I create a user in addition to the one created > during initial setup. > > So, create a new user. > Lock the current user session. > Click on "Log in as another user". > Click on the other user.

Re: Automatic blocker addition proposal: desktop background criterion

2019-09-06 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:59 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > Hey folks! So, it was suggested at the blocker review meeting on Monday > that violations of the Basic desktop background criterion: > > "The default desktop background must be different from that of the last > two stable releases." > >

Re: New version of Copr

2019-09-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 2:29 PM Dominik Turecek wrote: > Hello. > > Today, we have released a new version of Copr. > Main highlights from the release was the addition > of discussion panels in Copr projects and speed > optimization of front page. > The discussion page is a neat idea. For some

Re: Gnome + VNC

2019-09-03 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 11:52 AM wrote: > On F31 with latest updates, in GNOME Settings I enabled Sharing then > Screen Sharing. > I use Remmina to connect via VNC, and it works. > But when the system, after the default 5 minutes of inactivity blanks > the screen and locks the user session, VNC

Re: Proposing new release criteria

2019-08-30 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:33 PM Dusty Mabe wrote: > I don't know the formal process for proposal but here is a shot at a bare > minimum > start for trying to add containers to the existing release criteria. This > is a suggestion > after we found podman can't pull containers from a registry in

Re: Rawhide gating: What shell be done with failed updates?

2019-08-28 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:24 PM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > Is the issue about updates lingering in -testing? > I imagine this could cause some issues for e.g. generic tests that test everything in -testing in one go, instead of just one particular NVR, for performance reasons (like

Re: Discussion: what would not blocking on btrfs look like?

2019-08-26 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM Justin Forbes wrote: > From my standpoint, ext4 and xfs are the primary supported root > filesystems. I don't think that anything else should be release > blocking. If this is the case, we can explicitly list the supported file systems in criteria. The list

Re: Discussion: what would not blocking on btrfs look like?

2019-08-26 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM Justin Forbes wrote: > From my standpoint, ext4 and xfs are the primary supported root > filesystems. I don't think that anything else should be release > blocking. If this is the case, we can explicitly list the supported file systems in criteria. The list

Re: fedora-gpg-keys not updated yet again

2019-08-23 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:39 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 22. 08. 19 v 18:57 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): > > On 8/21/19 3:24 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > That is not completely true. The only possible way is to update the > `fedora-gpg-keys` first without anything else and that was the reason > for

Re: Update to last minute blocker bugs proposal (Rev:07242019)

2019-08-13 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:40 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2019-08-12 at 22:39 +0200, Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 4:04 AM Adam Williamson < > adamw...@fedoraproject.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > +++ DRAFT STA

Re: A Friday with Infra [fedocal possible retirement]

2019-08-12 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 5:16 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > In case folks didn't see it on devel@, I wanted to flag this up here. > Infra is talking about no longer maintaining fedocal. We do use it for > some purposes, the most notable I can think of is the Test Day calendar > - we used to keep the

Re: Update to last minute blocker bugs proposal (Rev:07242019)

2019-08-12 Thread Kamil Paral
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 4:04 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > > > +++ DRAFT START +++ > > === Exceptional cases === > > Generally speaking, any bug that is agreed to be a violation of the > [[Fedora Release Criteria|release criteria]] should be accepted as a > blocker bug for the next

Re: Rolling out Phase I of rawhide package gating

2019-07-30 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 10:41 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 10:11:07AM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 5:25 PM Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: > > > > > > Good Morning Everyone, > > > > > > I just wanted to let everyone know that this is now live.

Re: Rolling out Phase I of rawhide package gating

2019-07-24 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 2:33 PM Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 8:02 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 24. 07. 19 10:24, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > That said, having to go round adding a mega ugly config file > > > to every package that looks an awful lot like an internal braindump > >

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Simply reclaim disk space in Anaconda

2019-07-24 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 7:44 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_Reclaim_Disk_Space > > The Manual Partitioning screen supports all actions of the Resize Disk > Space dialog, so it doesn't make sense to have two user interfaces > with the same functionality. >

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:52 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > = Detailed Description == > > After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the > new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to

Re: [Xen-devel] Criteria / validation proposal: drop Xen

2019-07-09 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:12 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2019-05-21 at 11:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > > "The release must boot successfully as Xen DomU with releases > providing > > > > > > a functional, supported Xen Dom0 and widely used cloud providers > > > > > >

Re: [Xen-devel] Criteria / validation proposal: drop Xen

2019-07-09 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:12 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2019-05-21 at 11:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > > "The release must boot successfully as Xen DomU with releases > providing > > > > > > a functional, supported Xen Dom0 and widely used cloud providers > > > > > >

fedora-easy-karma "fixed"

2019-07-04 Thread Kamil Paral
Hello, anyone using fedora-easy-karma to submit feedback to proposed Bodhi updates might be interested to know that we've fixed some issues that appeared recently after Bodhi updated to version 4. F-e-k no longer crashes and can list all your karma-able updates. However, due to a bodhi bug [1] it

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: DNF Make Best Mode the Default

2019-06-28 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 11:12 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 27. 06. 19 v 23:56 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): > > (try to add '--allowerasing' to command line to replace conflicting > packages or '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages) > > This is message for people who are

Re: What to do when Fedora CI run failed?

2019-06-04 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 3:29 PM Jan Pazdziora wrote: > > Hello, > > I have run fedora-rawhide-build-pipeline > > > https://jenkins-continuous-infra.apps.ci.centos.org/blue/organizations/jenkins/fedora-rawhide-build-pipeline/detail/fedora-rawhide-build-pipeline/4426/pipeline/ > > that failed in

Re: Fedora 31 System-Wide Change proposal: Switch RPMs to zstd compression

2019-05-30 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:20 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Switch_RPMs_to_zstd_compression > > = Switch RPMs to zstd compression = > > == Summary == > Binary RPMs are currently compressed with xz level 2. > Switching to zstd would increase decompression speed

Re: [Xen-devel] Criteria / validation proposal: drop Xen

2019-05-21 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 7:45 PM Lars Kurth wrote: > @Adam and Fedora Testing & QA: > any views on my proposal? > Regards > Lars > Hi Lars, thanks for your reply. Adam was on a long vacation and he's probably the most qualified person to reply to you, sorry for not telling you sooner. Adam is

Re: [Xen-devel] Criteria / validation proposal: drop Xen

2019-05-21 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 7:45 PM Lars Kurth wrote: > @Adam and Fedora Testing & QA: > any views on my proposal? > Regards > Lars > Hi Lars, thanks for your reply. Adam was on a long vacation and he's probably the most qualified person to reply to you, sorry for not telling you sooner. Adam is

Re: Media writer

2019-05-14 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:56 PM pmkel...@frontier.com < pmkel...@frontier.com> wrote: > Lukas, > > When a system is installed to hard disk from Workstation Live, Media > Writer is not part of that install. The thinking is that people use > Media Writer as the main way they create install media;

Re: vsync in VM?

2019-05-03 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 6:19 PM Adam Jackson wrote: > On Thu, 2019-05-02 at 17:05 +0200, Kamil Paral wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I wonder whether it's expected that vsync doesn't work in VMs. I've > > tested Fedora 28/29/30 Workstation and Fedora 30 KDE guests on Fedora &

vsync in VM?

2019-05-02 Thread Kamil Paral
Hello, I wonder whether it's expected that vsync doesn't work in VMs. I've tested Fedora 28/29/30 Workstation and Fedora 30 KDE guests on Fedora 30 host, with virtio GPU (3D acceleration on and off) or QXL GPU, and in all cases, I'm seeing hundreds or thousands of FPS in glxgears, implying that

Re: FF v dnf needs-restarting

2019-04-24 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:20 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski < domi...@greysector.net> wrote: > > Last time I used tracer, it had several issues. It was breaking > dist-upgrades and hogged the CPU for tens of seconds after the dnf > transaction was done. needs-restarting can be run after

Re: FF v dnf needs-restarting

2019-04-17 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:56 PM Bojan Smojver wrote: > I'm guessing most of you here probably observed this behaviour with dnf > when FF is upgraded. Even after FF restarted, dnf needs-restarting reports > that it needs restarting. Does that sound like a bug or is this somehow > intentional? > >

Re: Basic graphics mode / 'nomodeset' testing request, round 2

2019-04-10 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:21 PM Kamil Paral wrote: > Then I tried with Thinkpad T450s. I had to boot in UEFI with CSM on, > because CSM off or even SecureBoot on make the image unbootable (I'll > report a separate bug about that). > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cg

Re: Basic graphics mode / 'nomodeset' testing request, round 2

2019-04-10 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 3:21 PM Kamil Paral wrote: > Then I tried with Thinkpad T450s. I had to boot in UEFI with CSM on, > because CSM off or even SecureBoot on make the image unbootable (I'll > report a separate bug about that). > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cg

Re: Basic graphics mode / 'nomodeset' testing request, round 2

2019-04-10 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 3:03 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > Hi folks! > > A few weeks back we asked for testing of 'basic graphics mode' / > nomodeset booting - the feedback from that was very helpful in > establishing that we had a generic issue which dated back to Fedora 29, > thanks a lot. We

Re: Basic graphics mode / 'nomodeset' testing request, round 2

2019-04-10 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 3:03 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > Hi folks! > > A few weeks back we asked for testing of 'basic graphics mode' / > nomodeset booting - the feedback from that was very helpful in > establishing that we had a generic issue which dated back to Fedora 29, > thanks a lot. We

Re: Introduction for gaming packaging/maintaining

2019-04-10 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 7:34 PM Karsten Andreas Artz wrote: > Hi guys, > > my name is Andi, 29 and I'm from Germany. I'm using Fedora almost 2 years > (Fedora 26). My programming skills are on Python, Java/Java Script, and > C/C++. But acutally I prefer mostly Python hacking. I studied B.A. of

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-10 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 8:21 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > Hmm, but the installed OS is not 100% the same as the livesys, or is > it? If not, it should be possible to add a "systemctl disable > dmraid.service --root=/path/to/os" somewhere, no? > AFAIK, they are 100% same. There's a hack, check

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-10 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 2:35 AM Chris Murphy wrote: > > 1. multipathd. > > I'm pretty sure it gets dragged in by the installer Nope, multipath seems to be present because libblockdev and udisks (and perhaps some more), which is in turn required by GNOME: $ rpm -q --whatrequires

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-04-02 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:04 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > "The boot menu for all release-blocking installer and live images > should include an entry which causes both installation and the > installed system to use a generic, highly compatible video driver (such > as 'vesa')." > Maybe change

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-04-02 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:04 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > "The boot menu for all release-blocking installer and live images > should include an entry which causes both installation and the > installed system to use a generic, highly compatible video driver (such > as 'vesa')." > Maybe change

FYI: Workstation netinst+tree removed in F31

2019-03-28 Thread Kamil Paral
Workstation netinst and package tree will be removed from F31 onward: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/45 https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7403 It seems regular netinst will be used to install Workstation over the network. We'll need to adjust our test matrices/test cases and automated

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-27 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:31 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > My two cents: > > If there's a fallback option, and if the user selects it, they > shouldn't end up in an unambiguous state. Right now we're seeing > systems hanging. I'd rather see a crash than a hang where the user > can't get to a shell,

Re: "Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion

2019-03-27 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 9:31 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > My two cents: > > If there's a fallback option, and if the user selects it, they > shouldn't end up in an unambiguous state. Right now we're seeing > systems hanging. I'd rather see a crash than a hang where the user > can't get to a shell,

Re: Tip for upgrade testers: disable hide boot menu, enable debug shell

2019-03-11 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:46 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > There's a new feature in Fedora 29, hide the grub menu, that can make > it difficult to troubleshoot system upgrades if you run into a > problem. Here's what you can do to get more information for a one time > boot without obliterating the

Re: Modularity test cases for a review

2019-03-08 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:21 PM Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > Hello, > > I have updated the modularity test cases according to what we discussed in > a meeting with @Stephen Gallagher , @Petr Sabata > , @Adam Samalik , @Mohan Boddu > . Currently, we have the following test cases defined > to cover

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:34 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 05:48:15PM +0100, Lukas Ruzicka wrote: > > > servers also need security and bug fixes. > > If so and local repository is always needed ... why keep a server spin > > then? Why not install from Everything netinst? > >

Re: Proposal: Drop most optional packages from Server DVD

2019-02-18 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 4:50 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > For a long time, the Fedora Server Edition has provided a fairly > lightweight default installation, but a fairly heavyweight DVD. This > is because we opted to include a lot of infrastructure-related content > on the disk, such as BIND,

Re: Is Bodhi's fedmsg integration in the UI useful?

2019-01-14 Thread Kamil Paral
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 7:01 PM Randy Barlow wrote: > Greetings again! > > In my quest to kill Bodhi features so I can have a smaller codebase to > maintain, I am considering getting rid of the fedmsg integration in the > web interface: > > https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi/issues/2913 > > I

Re: What does delaying F31 mean for packagers/users?

2018-11-28 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:39 PM Owen Taylor wrote: > And if we did do updates like that, would we consider respinning media > and making a "F30.1"? > What's the difference between re-spinning install media and doing a proper F31 release? At least from QA point of view, I see very little

Re: the purpose of "workstation core applications" testcase

2018-11-28 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 5:12 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2018-11-27 at 12:48 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote: > > Hi Adam, > > > > I and Lukas are in the process of drafting an email to Desktop SIGs > > regarding basic functionality criteria for all apps availab

the purpose of "workstation core applications" testcase

2018-11-27 Thread Kamil Paral
Hi Adam, I and Lukas are in the process of drafting an email to Desktop SIGs regarding basic functionality criteria for all apps available on blocking desktops (as discussed recently in the QA meeting), and I need to clarify the purpose of the "workstation core applications" testcase [1]. You

Re: repos used by anaconda during Branched

2018-11-27 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 6:20 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2018-11-26 at 15:41 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > > > * Into Additional Repositories section, add updates-testing repo > item, > > > > disabled by default, and only visible in pre-re

Re: repos used by anaconda during Branched

2018-11-26 Thread Kamil Paral
On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 5:47 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2018-11-23 at 10:02 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 6:22 PM Adam Williamson < > adamw...@fedoraproject.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Here's a bit of background: > > >

Re: repos used by anaconda during Branched

2018-11-23 Thread Kamil Paral
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 6:22 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > Here's a bit of background: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=962522 > > The key point there is that if we implement your b), the checkbox would > effectively do nothing in the pre-release phase at all, because there > are no

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