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It is Michael Sour's email address. I thought he might be sending us a link
to his art but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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On 6/11/2015 6:01 AM, Don
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It is a private list in the sense you have you to join in order post,
but we do have public archives. I don't know if it is possible to
remove posts from it. I'm sending this to Mark Foster's various
addresses since he sets up these things.
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Dear Susan,
If the archives were supposed to be public, then members should have been
informed. But I don't understand why a mailing list should be private to
Baha'is only but the archives should be public. This is nonsense.
Best regards,
Firouz
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Where abuse has occurred it has generally been in developing countries
where being provided with basic living expenses often represents
significant employment.
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To win brownie points with God?
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'I ask of Thee by Thy Self and by him who hath fasted out of love for Thee
and for Thy good-pleasure-and not out of self and
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A lot of time it has been suggested that Baha'is pray at a certain
time for something or other, but I've never heard it suggested they
pray in unison or that it has a special power beyond our sense of
unity.
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:19 PM, David Regal
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Any tech savy young man can find its way around website bans.
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'A mechanism of world inter-communication will be devised, embracing the
whole planet, freed from
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If you check the bottom of your messages you'll see the unsubscribe
directions are below. I think you've been subscribed for some time but
the list has been fairly dead lately so you probably didn't realize
it.
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Mike,
Have you been hacked?
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Thanks, Mike.
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Mike Moum mike.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Response from the Institutions about Steven Greer
Original Message Subject: Re: A discussion on Facebook
concerning extraterrestrials and Steven Greet Date:
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Dear Mike,
Mark Foster has been following this guy. If we can bring Mark out of
occultation, he might be able to tell us something but his description
to me was the same as yours.
warmest, Susan
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I follow news from Greer as I am a believer in extraterrestrials, but from
the videos I saw of him and his activities I am almost sure he is not a
bahá'í.
My understanding is that he is still on the membership list.
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I doubt he is a bahá'í, if he is I'd be positively impressed that he was not
removed from the rolls because of his political activities.
I believe Mark checked and found he was still enrolled.
If he is a bahá'í I'd be also surpraised that the media and the world
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What about the image of the Faith? I think Dr. Steven Greer is not just a
human talking, if is a bahá'í then there are some problems. The main
problem is that he is not exercising his profession so many would see him
profiting with lies, and imagine if internauts
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, there's a compilation from the House on
extraterrestrials that's a real eye opener (which I can't find any
evidence for), and on and on it goes. It all leaves me a bit speechless.
I noted that one source supposedly from this supposed compilation was
a quotation
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As one pundit once said, with tongue in cheek, the proof that there's
intelligent life in the universe is that they haven't tried to contact us
yet.
Well put!
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Michael,
I think you've been hacked. I hope no one clicks on his link.
warmest, Susan
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I've never seen anything in the writings or sayings to suggest a
comepletely egalitarian, stress-free environment any time in the
foreseeable future.
But they also indicate that everyone should have access to education.
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Do you mean access to basic education? Because higher education is expensive
in every country.
I don't know that the Writings make any distinction. Higher education
is not expensive in every country. In most European countries it is
very cheap and heavily subsidized.
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I suspect we might do what Muslims did in the move *The Message* back
in the 70's.
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Hi all,
I know that we can't represent the Central Figures in any film or
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Yep, that's it.
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Hi Susan,
Are you talking about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DxCU6A9yNI
Thanks,
Hasan
De: Susan
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Dear friends,
Please do not respond to Stephen's email message since he insists on
propagating the views of Covenant breakers. I've still not had any success
in getting him removed as I can't seem to get a hold of Mark Foster.
However, I would like to say for the
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Susan, logically following that rule to its logical conclusion would ban all
Baha'is websites because each and every Baha'i denomination declares each
other to be covenant breakers.
This list is loyal to the Universal House of Justice in Haifa Israel
which you
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Don, can I ask you to please stop answering Steve's posts. As
moderator I have made it clear that he is no longer welcome here. Not
after he referred to the Baha'i community as the Heterodox Haifan
Sect. He insists on staying, but we don't need to be encouraging him
by
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People can use consultation aka Athenian Democracy without the Baha'i Faith
or any particular religion at all or even religion itself.
And people can consult without any religion either. What's your point?
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Susan, let's try this. On your next trip to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei,
Kuwait, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, etc. See if you can legally buy
and drink alcohol there. Then, try and search the black market for illegal
alcohol if you need to. While you don't
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I'm referring to beliefs not practices.
Really? And what beliefs do we share with the Fascists?
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Susan, the point is that Islamists all over the world want to turn the world
into one big Islamist Islamic Superstate of a Caliphate. Have you studied
Islamism?
Of course, I've studied it. But it is a radical political movement
inside of Islam. It is not Islam
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Susan, why do Baha'is need to be ignorant of all ethics and all morality that
isn't the Baha'i Faith?
Did I say we did? What I said is that we are not compelled to fit into
their categories.
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Susan, just read Don's paragraph.
What about it?
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If I had written that book, I would have included more info, included other
sects than the Haifan Heterodox Baha'i World Faith.
All right, that's it. You are not welcome here. Either remove yourself
from this list or I will call Mark and have him remove you.
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Please everyone. Hitherto ignore Stephen's posts. Maybe he will take
the hint and leave on his own accord. But don't give him oxygen.
Covenant breaking talk is not welcome here.
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If I had written
folder.
Tim
All good art is about something deeper than it admits.
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To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: New Religious Movements and Post Conventional Morality
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like adoption and marriage are private contracts and the government has no
reason to interfere is the standard Libertarian Right argument.
I would largely agree with that except that in the case of adoption
the 'contract' involves a party unable to speak up
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I think only Indonesia is such a Muslim state. All other Muslim states
impose Islamic law on all people there, regardless of their actual religious
beliefs. India is another state that has religious law that varies depending
upon the religion of the person. But for
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I remember talking about these concepts earlier. Post conventional morality
is based on a social contract and universal ethical principles without
regards to specific terms on which they need to be based upon. Conventional
morality is based on authority and
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Why should non- Bahai's take Baha'i morality and ethics over all else.
They shouldn't unless they believe that Baha'u'llah is the
Manifestation of God for this age, in which case they are no longer
non-Baha'is.
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Susan, how would consultation work in the overall world rather than just in
the Baha'i community? You seem to forget about all the non-Baha'i religious
texts out there. You also seem to think that any group of people with any
types of religious beliefs can get
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Note Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Bangladesh, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia,
Yemen, etc. are listed as completely illegal alcohol status rather than just
Saudi Arabia like you imply.
I didn't say Saudi Arabia was the only country which completely banned
alcohol, I
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It also listed various countries with legal drinking ages and the side note
illegal for Muslims.
Which is precisely what I said in the first place.
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Stephen,
Ian's parents were not just refugees from eastern Europe, they were
both holocaust survivors. For him your comparison of the Baha'i
administration to Nazi Germany is more than a little offensive. And I
dare the rest of it don't feel much better about it
the conventional age of
Adam as referenced earlier in Against Nature. This age isn't about
materialistic and paternalistic people treating people as if they were sheep.
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I remember talking about
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Gary,
Stephen has not really even had any interaction with a real Baha'i
community in person. He declared online but rather than become
involved in Baha'i community life he instead started interacting with
a lot of disaffected ex-Baha'is. That has sort of twisted his
.
Your point of course is well taken and I thank you for it.
Best,
Ian
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Would non-Bahais be bound by Baha'i laws or not?
Dear Stephen,
I don't think we can say for sure but if we use Islam as the precedence,
non-Muslims in a Muslim state were generally expected to abide by the laws
of their own religion. For instance, while Muslims were
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Susan, have you read the earlier e-mail in this thread. Don C thinks
society should have a zero tolerance policy towards non-heterosexuality. No
marriage, no civil unions, no domestic partnership, no adoption, no
parental rights, etc. He was complaining society
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Most of the Islamic world has strict rules enforced with sometimes violent
punishments to enforce Islamic moral
codeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia,
including sexual morality on their citizens, and impose it on non-Muslims
living within their societies.
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We rarely involve the experts from wikipedia in our consultations.
I presume you are being tongue and cheek here.
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as this would, no doubt, be of interest to Baha'is
worldwide. You've certainly peaked my interest.
Virginia
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And neither of us is in California any longer.
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Some of you who participated on soc.religion.bahai may remember Dempsey
Morgan. He passed away last week after spending the last couple of years in
Veteran's Nursing Home. Dempsey Morgan was a Tuskegee Airman who became a
Baha'i shortly thereafter and participated in
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Association for Bahá’í Studies 37th Annual
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Usually the administrative portion follows the spiritual portion and
the actual food comes last, but on occasion we have changed the order
because of various considerations.
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What exactly does this have to do with the Baha'i Faith?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_humans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_antecessor
or incorruptible spirit.
warmest, Susan
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Dear Stephen,
In Abdu'l-Baha's interpretation of the story of Adam and Even in Some
Answered Questions, he equates Eve with the nafs or corruptible self with
the ruh or incorruptible spirit
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Are virtue and vice defined according to Plato or Aristotle?
For Baha'is virtues are defined largely by the attributes of God, not
by Plato or Aristotle.
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Dear Stephen,
Well we do assume that Baha'u'llah's revelation reflects God's will
for today. That may well be interpreted as saying our religion is
superior. I don't know any way around that which would not make the
Baha'i Faith entirely irrelevant. We do not presume
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
http://www.evagrius.net/news.php
http://www.evagrius.net/articles.php
http://www.evagrius.net/articles.php?article_id=2
From: Susan Maneck sman
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My comment: Unlike Sanders' understanding of Judaism, Baha'is are not born
into a covenent relation with God;
Dear Gary,
Ultimately we are all, Baha'i or non-Baha'i in a Covenantal relation
with God. See my article here:
http://bahai-islam.blogspot.com/
warmest,
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In the link at the bottom, the author singles there out as referring to
Baha'u'llah rather than God, or a abstract Manifestation.
I would simply disagree with the author. Those passages refer to God,
not Baha'u'llah.
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Those were the only instances I could remember at the time, but this is about
all instances of pronouns being interpreted in any given sense.
You realize that only Abdu'l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi have the right to
make authoritative interpretations?
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Not to my knowledge. Everything else should be regarded as personal
opinion therefore, and we can't make doctrinal judgements as to
whether everyone has to become a Baha'i on the basis of that.
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Also, in terms of the religion of Noah or Abraham, I wouldn't advocate this
per se, but Orthodox Judaism has the interesting concept of the Noachide
religion which they view as mankind's eternal religion which existed before
Moses received the Torah and which
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Abraham is considered a follower of the Sabean religion (although it is not
specified if it was as the same fashion of Jesus, when He was a Jewish
before God revealed His mission), even if that is truth the Founder of
Sabean religion is believed to be Enoch, but
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or
am I to believe that Baha'u'llah hoped that a sizable portion of the
population would avoid intermarriage so that we could continue to have
diversity?
First off, why would anyone need to 'avoid' intermarriage? It is human
nature to marry someone who looks like
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Hey Jonah, glad to see you join us here.
For those of you who don't know, Jonah runs the Most Great Website.
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There are also various talks at
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I was just at a talk by a teacher at the Baha'i university in Iran. He said
that the common figure of 300,000 Baha'is in Iran was the government figure
and that the true total is between 1-1.5 million.
The 300,000 figure actually came from the White Paper issued by
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Abdu'l-Baha talks about this in SAQ.
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Hi all,
I'm looking for a Tablet of Bahá'u'lláh where, according to Hooper Dunbar
and Adib Taherzadeh, it is mentioned that
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Is the text of Tablets of 'Abdu'l-Baha in its original language available
online?
I don't think so. Tablets of Abdu'l-Baha are very early texts sent to
the American believers. The translations were done a long time ago,
before Shoghi Effendi became Guardian. We have
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I wonder what word is being translated as 'superstition'here.
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Perhaps, but these aren't superstitions. If Christians blvd that these
figures/items have some kind of
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There is a Baha'i couple in Newtown that operates a SED Project called
Unity Project. The project was started in New York to empower and
build resilience in kids effected by 9-11. Later the project focused
on the young victims of Katrina in New Orleans and Mississippi.
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Qurratis and Ayanis are the same group, people who believe Tahirih was the
successor of either Kazim Rashti of the Shayhis or the Bab of the Bayaniis.
In a way Tahirih was the successor of Siyyid Kazim Rashti. She moved
into his house after his passing and taught
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While it may be true in Iran, that they're barred from govt office. It's not
so in Iraq.
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Shaykhism as a distinct religion is all but dead
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Is this site the work of an enemy of the Faith? \
Yes, I think it is run by the Iranian government.
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These two groups are completely fabricated.
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http://www.sectsofbahais.com/
Updated with more information.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/aqdasis.html
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Stats are tough to find, but I don't know if Azalis, Daheshis, and Qurratis
or Ayanis are counted together or separately for counting Bayaniis. Note
that they followed the Bab while he was alive, and now follow the Bayan, his
writings, since his death, thus the
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Shaykhism as a distinct religion is all but dead.
Dear Don,
It never was a separate religion, it is a sect of Shi'ism which is
still popular in some places like Kirman or Tabriz. They are
discriminated against and cannot hold government offices but have been
able to
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However
covenant breaking has a rather narrow definition. You must first be a party
to the Covenant. Most of these so-called religions were not.
More importantly, the people behind this website are Muslims.
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In your essay The Pharisaic Phenomenon and the Dynamics of Denial:
But perhaps, in another sense all persons who engage in this kind of
behavior are covenant- breakers, for our commitment to the Covenant consists
in our affirmative response to that perennial
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Call for Papers
“Abdu’l-Baha and Race Relations in America”
February 23-24 2013
Jackson State University
Jackson, Mississippi
In commemoration of the centenary of Abdu’l-Baha’s visit to America,
the Department of History and Philosophy at Jackson State University
is
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I scored exactly where the Dalai Lama stands. ;-}
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The NPR article supposes so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_(politician)
Independent does have
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LL scores people have said they tend Democrat even though they're closer to
Green Party or Jill Stein
Socialist Party USA or Stewart Alexander
That's part of the problem with the party system. You vote for what
you think you can get, not for what you think is right.
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Only the Covenant breakers have ever referred to the office of the
Guardianship as a 'throne.'
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Yeah, it's November 20!
November 20: Day of the Empty Throne.
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Dear David,
Keep in mind that Regional Baha'i Councils are an institution started
by the House of Justice and subject to its rules. While they may
eventually become Secondary Houses of Justice they are not that yet.
Just as the original International Baha'i Council was
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'Abdu'l-Bahá said that,
And as the authorized interpreter His interpretation stands whether it
follows the literal reading of the Aqdas or not.
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, but my mind can't convert two
in one.
Regards,
De: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com
Para: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Enviado: Viernes, 28 de septiembre, 2012 2:57 P.M.
Asunto: Re: Bigamy permitted in bahá'í writings?
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It is at least fairly accurate.
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http://www.gotquestions.org/Bahai-faith.html
It is an interesting website.
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No, I think He was referring to the fact that monogamy was
Baha'u'llah's intention all along and therefore nothing was abrogated.
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Hasan, perhaps he was referring
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Dear Hasan,
This is all explained in the following letter from the Research Department:
http://bahai-library.com/uhj_equality_monogamy_uhj
warmest,Susan
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That really depends on how you define religion. If you use the narrow
Baha'i definition of religion as the organized followers of a Manifestation,
then the answer is, No. However in common practice, the term is used much
broader.
Manifestation or no, Abdu'l-Baha
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I may be confusing, but it isn't vaque.
One has three choice how to perform the Baha'i obligatory prayer.
If they choose the short obligatory prayer then they say the prayer
just once between noon and sunset.
If they choose the medium obligatory prayer then they say
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According to Adherents.com
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Sikhism and Juche are religions with 23 and 19 million of adherents
respectively. Do we consider religions these denominations?
Denominations are simply the polite word for sects in
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Trying to describe the afterlife would be like trying to describe this
world to a baby in the womb.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterlife
Any clarification on the
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People would find such an answer to be evading the question given how much
religious beliefs there are regarding the afterlife.
And unless we understand those beliefs symbolically, virtually all of
them are fairy tales.
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When you pray for something, what effect does it have on it actually coming
about?
Praying for something to happen is probably the lowest form of prayer
there is. I pray to draw nearer to God, and yes, it has an effect of
helping that actually come about.
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Ah, by charismatic you meant cultish. I've always used the Charismatic
Movement to refer to the movement in Christianity which emphasizes
gifts of the spirit (charisma) such as speaking in tongues.
. I can’t help but view the Ruhi movement as being something
separate
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Dear Stephen,
This is a Baha'i list and as such we try and veer away from partisan
politics. Speaking as a historian, though, I think it is clear that
the meanings of words like 'liberal' have changed over time. The 19th
century use of the term 'liberal' might better
Clearly authoritarian (totalitarian) regime
Uzkbekistan 1.74
Turkmenistan 1.72
Oh, Uzbekistan is in a simmilar level. Remember,
Uz-Beki-Beki-Beki-Beki-Stan-Stan!
From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re
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While I recognize that new religions trying to grow in a society, using an
urban strategy is a good idea. But, they should atleast now if there are
some ironies or conflicts between the religion's values and the values of
the communities in the area.
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Susan, the tiny island nation in the Pacific you can't remember is Papua New
Guinea.
Actually, I was thinking of Vanuatu, but you are correct that the next
two
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