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What does it mean to have the station of prophecy?
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Does the Baha'i Faith have a stance on wether or not there will be
Baha'i dependent prophets like during the Old Testament times (ie
Issiah, Jeremiah, Ezra, Nehemiah, Obadiah, Zafaniah, Zekariah, Samuel,
Ezekiel, Daniel, Joel, etc.) of the Dispensation of Moses?
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Why does LJ even still have followers? Wikipedia lists several prophecies he
made that failed to materialize...
He lost a lot of followers as a result of these failed prophecies.
I've corresponded with several of them on the internet
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Hi, I suggest Stephen to read the Will of Abdu'l-Bahá.
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They did so on the grounds that they think the Bab taught reincarnation,
Dahesh being the return of the Bab means something like that to them.
There are several references to reincarnation
, they would be
Baha'is, Azalis, Daheshists, etc. and not Shaykhis anymore.)
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They did so
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So how would you describe the relationship between the Bab and the
Shaykhis?
Friendly.
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So how would you describe the relationship between the Bab and the Shaykhis?
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Among the Shaykis left who do they consider to be his successor?
Haji Miraza Muhammad Karim Khan Kermani
Shafi Tabrizi
Mirza Muhammad Haqqaq-e-Ifsahani
I;m a little hazy on this but my recollection is that there there are
two factions of Shaykhis still exist
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So how would you describe the relationship between the Bab and the
Shaykhis?
Friendly.
That certainly wasn't the case in the latter part of the 19th century
as Denis McEoin's dissertation shows, but I think maybe they have
become friendlier since the Revolution,
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The question was What is the condition of Shaykism today? Who is their
current leadership lineage?
As I mentioned there are two schools currently, one centered in Tabriz
and the other in Kirman. After the Revolution, like Baha'is they were
fired from any government
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I wonder if Covenant-breaking sects convert Baha'i to their way of thinking
or non-Baha'is or both? They seek to convert both, but who are most of them?
Dear Stephen,
Most Remeyite groups only manage to convert a handful of Baha'is
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He was born in 1909 and the Bab died
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I wonder if Covenant-breaking sects convert Baha'i to their way of thinking
or non-Baha'is or both? They seek to convert both, but who are most of them?
Dear Stephen,
Most Remeyite groups only manage to convert a handful of Baha'is and
hardly anybody
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I found this neutral academic study of Baha'i sects via
Dear Stephen,
You are either being disingenuous or you are terribly naive if you
imagine this to be a 'neutral academic study of Baha'i sects.' No real
academic
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Some Answerd Questions, in its original language, was published in Leiden
Holland around 1908 or 1909 by the prestigious Brill.
Also
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If the Orthodox Baha'i affiliate websites are correct, there are a sizeable
amount of Orthodox Baha'is in India. India does have the most Baha'is, but
they may have managed to convert Indians straight from Hinduism, Islam,
Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism,
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Stephen,
How long have you been a Baha'i? Most Baha'is would realize these
aren't the original dates of publication but merely the dates of the
editions used by the author of this article.
warmest, Susan
He was born in 1909 and the Bab died in 1850, so other than
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A few years
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Stephen,
How long have you been a Baha'i? Most
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Is it even possible to be a second, third, fourth, etc. generation cb?
Perhaps not technically as they were never part of the Covenant to
begin with, but we usually avoid them none-the-less because they
generally still have antipathy towards the Baha'i Institutions.
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Opps sorry. I did not know much about the wesite, except it wasn't tied to
any particular ideaology, but it got alot of info from muslim sites.
You mean, it isn't explicit with its ideology.
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If the Orthodox Baha'i affiliate websites are correct, there are a sizeable
amount
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Who is Christopher Joe?
Feedback is welcome. Most welcome. I, Christopher Joe, became interested in the
history of the Bahá'í Faith after reading, Bahá'ísm: Its Origin, History and
Teachings by Miller. Here I came to know the existence of different sects of
Bahá'ís
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If the Orthodox Baha'i affiliate websites are correct, there are a sizeable
amount of Orthodox Baha'is in India. India does have the most Baha'is, but
they may have managed to convert Indians straight from Hinduism, Islam,
Christianity, Sikhism
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Dear Stephen,
I am going to ask you one more time not to post material here which
attacks the Faith. If you do it again I will ask Mark Foster to remove
you from the list. If you are not sure *don't* post it! I say that as
the manager of this list.
Your source writes:
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I read once that Charles Mason Remey turned so many Baha'is in France into
cbs that they had to dissolve the current National Spiritual Assembly of
France and create a new one.
Dear Stephen,
It is not that so many French Baha'is accepted Mason Remey, it is that
so
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I am going to ask you one more time not to post material here which
attacks the Faith.
Dear Stephen,
I apologize for my harsh tone here. I now realize that you are a new
believer who lives in an area where there are few Baha'is. It seems
most of your information has
.
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I read once that Charles Mason Remey turned so many Baha'is in France into
cbs that they had to dissolve the current
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It just seems soo weird that all these cbs knew each other before they
became cbs. I thought it was Rex King who was the one who persuaded Charles
Mason Remey to be Guardian,
Dear Stephen,
Where did you hear that? I've not seen any evidence to suggest that
Rex King
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I found this neutral academic study of Baha'i sects via google.com
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I do not know who they are?
Dear Stephen,
Tony Lee is a Baha'i who lives in Los Angeles and runs Kalimat Press.
More than twenty years ago he and a few other Baha'is wrote a paper
entitled The Service of Women on the Institutions of the Baha'i
Faith wherein
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I do have some background in Abrahamic religions, but other than Judaism
there is not much actual use of the word covenant,
Dear Stephen,
That's not true. The word testament as in Old and New Testament
means Covenant. Covenant in Judaism and the ancient world were
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Have they given a time frame for when women will be allowed on the UHJ (the
one in Haifa, Israel)?
Dear Stephen,
This was a theory proposed by Tony Lee and Juan Cole which the BUPC
picked up on. The House of Justice rejected that theory in the
following letter:
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Dear Stephen,
Sen McGlinn has analyzed the question of a fraudulent Will Testament at
great length here:
http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com/2009/05/27/mitchells_mistake/
Mirza Ahmad Sohrab never questioned the handwriting Will and Testament. It
all stemmed from the
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What are arabic/persian letters like in trying to figure out handwriting? I
have heard that The Will Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha is fraudulent.
Dear Stephen,
The person who suggested that the Will and Testament was fraudulent
had no familiarity with either Persian or
, but
you get the piont.)
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Here's a testimonial from a former Jensen followers.It was part
?
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:Who are you, exactly? Are you an agent provocateur?
Are you in this email group under false pretenses?
this is how it starts
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Why does LJ even still have followers? Wikipedia lists several prophecies he
made that failed to materialize...
He lost a lot of followers as a result of these failed prophecies.
I've corresponded with several of them on the internet. Jensen's
proclivity to
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What are arabic/persian letters like in trying to figure out handwriting? I
have heard that The Will Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha is fraudulent.
Dear Stephen,
The person who suggested that the
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I am a regular Baha'i who just likes debating alot. I am here under
being a Baha'i. I do not understand why anyone would be a member of
the BUPC? LJ and NC have made so many failed prophecies that they
should have zero credibility by now?
PM
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What are arabic/persian letters like in trying to figure out handwriting? I
have heard that The Will Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha is fraudulent.
Dear Stephen,
The person who
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I wonder if Covenant-breaking sects convert Baha'i to their way of thinking or
non-Baha'is or both? They seek to convert both, but who are most of them?
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believes himself to be Bab's
reincarnation, no actual connection to Babism in any other way though.
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I have never seen an English translation of the Kitab-i-Ahd, other
than at the website of that other House of Justice.
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TB/tb-16.html
It's in Tablets of Baha'u'llah After the Aqdas. An earlier version
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The Book of Covenant (kitab-i-ahd) is included in Tablets of Baha'u'llah
Revealed after the Kitab-i-Aqdas. It is on http://reference.bahai.org
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I wonder if Covenant-breaking sects convert Baha'i to their way of
thinking or non-Baha'is or both? They seek to convert both, but who
are most of them?
Occasionally.
Baha'is are not to make any effort to convert CB's. There are a
few
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I have never seen an English translation of the Kitab-i-Ahd, other than at
the website of that other House of Justice.
You're kiddding!
It's been around for a long time. Neal Chase's BUPC does not do any
translations; they don't have anyone who knows Persian or
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I wonder if Covenant-breaking sects convert Baha'i to their way of thinking
or non-Baha'is or both? They seek to convert both, but who are most of them?
Dear Stephen,
Most Remeyite groups only manage to convert a handful of Baha'is and
hardly anybody else
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I found this neutral academic study of Baha'i sects via
Dear Stephen,
You are either being disingenuous or you are terribly naive if you
imagine this to be a 'neutral academic study of Baha'i sects.' No real
academic publishes their work anonymously on a website
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They did so on the grounds that they think the Bab taught reincarnation,
So because Dahesh thinks he is the reincarnation of the Bab that
qualifies him to say that Some Answered Questions is a forgery?
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:Who are you, exactly? Are you an agent provocateur?
Are you in this email group under false pretenses?
this is how it starts...
there is an enormous wisdom in the Master's comments about avoiding Cb type
stuff on the basis of its contagion.
there is virtue in the
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1. On page 70 of Robert Weinberg's book Ethel Jenner Rosenberg there
is a pilgrim's note that Mrs. Rosenberg asked Abdu'l-Baha about the
seven churches in the Revelation of John. The Master reportedly
replied that the seven spirits and seven stars in Revelation
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Alledgedly killing Shoghi
Effendi, I say allegedly... She was with him the most and he
was standing between her and the Fund money.
Mr. Gray,
This is an outrageous and contemptible accusation,
and don't try to weasel out of it by saying allegedly.
There is zero
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This is an outrageous and contemptible accusation,
and don't try to weasel out of it by saying allegedly.
Take it easy, Tim. Stephen assures me that he is a Baha'i in good
standing, loyal to the Universal House of Justice, not a member of the
BUPC. I think we have to
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The repetition of these statements made by the so-called Baha'is Under
the Provisions of the Covenant, and the hurt and shock we experience as
we hear them, brings something to mind.
There is a story -- now I cannot find the source of it -- of the time
after the
).
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There is the prophecy of the seven churches too.
The seven churches in Revelation? Those were actual churches which
existed
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Also, what kind of person was 'Amatu'l-Baha Ruhhiyyih Khannum? They have her
characterized as the greedy power hungry conspirator who killed Shoghi
Effendi.
That's probably the thing I find the most disgusting about the
Jensenites, they rely on slander. Contrary to
of the plot to kill Shoghi Effendi and usurp the faith.
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Oh, I do not know that much of early church history. They listed
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The complete list of people they do not like. I put emphasis on the alleged
ringleaders of the plot to kill Shoghi Effendi and usurp the faith.
Those are all Hands of the Cause. My point is that they do not have
one shred of evidence to back up their allegations.
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The complete list of people they do not like. I put emphasis on the alleged
ringleaders of the plot to kill Shoghi Effendi and usurp the faith.
Those
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Oh, I do not know that much of early church history. They listed these as:
1.Thyatira (Baha'i Faith) Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel
2.Laodicea (The Faith of God
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Why is Covenant Breaker material being allowed on this list?
Tim
All good art is about something deeper than it admits.
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I got the list from the MBC-OBF rather than the COBL-BUPC. I really do not
understand hsitory. PS Leland Jensen claimed innocence and said his
conviction was due to a corrupt gov't/judicial system.
Would you expect him to say otherwise? There are numerous women,
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Dear Susan,
I'm more a reader than a writer in this, as my english is more
commercial than spiritual.
But these last exchanges remind me a question I put myself since I am
bahai :
How baha'is can say they are in friendship with all believers of all
one-only-God
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Dear Loic,
It is precisely because of the need to preserve our unity that we are
urged to stay away from Covenant breakers. Their intent is to destroy
that unity and if given the opportunity they woulld do so. As you
probably know association with Covenant breakers is
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Also, what kind of person was 'Amatu'l-Baha Ruhhiyyih Khannum? They
have her characterized as the greedy power hungry conspirator who
killed Shoghi Effendi.
She was self-confident, assertive and the designated intermediary
between Shoghi Effendi and the
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I got the list from the MBC-OBF rather than the COBL-BUPC. I really
do not understand hsitory. PS Leland Jensen claimed innocence and
said his conviction was due to a corrupt gov't/judicial system.
Specifically he claimed the AMA bribed
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The complete list of people they do not like. I put emphasis on the
alleged ringleaders of the plot to kill Shoghi Effendi and usurp the
faith.
These are the entire contingent of the Hands of the Cause who were
required to give their consent to the choice of
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I do not know who they are?
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I would request
. Smartas
5. Ganapatyas
6. Muruganites
7. Surya worshippers
ie Diversity without disunity
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Dear Susan,
I'm
cheapest coats, one for him and the rest for charity. I
oversimplified the episode, but the point is her materialistic leanings.
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I once read an article in American Baha'i
on an unrelated, coincidental episode in the Gaurdian's life. He was
very frugal. He wore the same coat all the time and it got old word
out. 'Amatu'l-Baha bought him
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What is this? CSI Haifa??
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I once read an article in American Baha'i on an unrelated,
coincidental episode in the Gaurdian's life. He was very frugal. He
wore the same coat all the time and it got old word
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Oh, but that is not the problem in and of itself, it just proves she had motive
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Dear Loic,
It is precisely because of the need
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Oh, but that is not the problem in and of
itself, it just proves she had motive and opportunity.
Motive and opportunity to what?
Don C
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Yo!
Let me tell you what I know about Ruhiyyih Khanoum. My grandfather, a civil
engineer, worked for her father and it was his respect for the Bahai Faith
that limited my family's trauma when I told them that I had changed my
religion. He told everyone not to worry,
money.
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Oh, but that is not the problem in and of itself, it just proves
she had
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One woman, a member of his International Council reported
on-line that after she was named to the council, he had insisted on having
sex with her. When her husband, also a member of the council, refused to
support her, she left the movement.
Here is what she
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Here's a testimonial from a former Jensen followers.It was part of a
thread of posts by women who had been victims of Jensen's womanizing.
Date: Tue Jul 8, 2003 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: Accounts of Official or Institutional Abuse of Individual
Baha'is
I wanted to offer
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I do not know who they are?
Dear Stephen,
Tony Lee is a Baha'i who lives in Los Angeles and runs Kalimat Press.
More than twenty years ago he and a few other Baha'is wrote a paper
entitled The Service of Women on the Institutions of the Baha'i
Faith wherein it was
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Why is sectarianism such an issue for western religions?
Dear Stephen,
Another way of wording your question is why do the Abrahamic religions
place so much stress on the Covenant. It is because we believe so
strongly in the authority of revelation. We don't simply
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There is the prophecy of the seven churches too.
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There is the prophecy of the seven churches too.
The seven churches in Revelation? Those were actual churches which
existed at the time the Book of Revelation was written. The Jensenites
combine a lot of bizarre prophecies. They are especially fixated with
this notion
14, 2010 1:26:55 PM
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He knew it would end in time? Isn't some of the Imam lineages stil surving
like Aga Khan IV of the Nizari Ismai'ilis?
Baha'is accept the Twelver line of Imams and reject the others. It is
clear from the Aqdas
Khan III.
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Their 'descent' requirement is strict: male descendants of the current Imam
only
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None of the lineages ever ended... The Twelvers and the Druze believe in
Occultation,
Dear Stephen,
That may very well be what they believe, however what we are dealing
with here is what Baha'is believe and 'Abdu'l-Baha was rather emphatic
that the Twelve Imam that
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Their 'descent' requirement is strict: male descendants of the current Imam
only, not lateral relations
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What would have happened if the Guardian had a son and at the time he
died the son was an infant or a child? If an infant certainly they
In the Bahai
descendants.
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I could be wrong but it is my understanding that the Zaydis allow
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Hi,
I think the Administrative Order has lost something important, i.e., Guardians,
but it is dinamic enough to drive humankind to world unity. The writings are so
clear that the Guardians have to be male descendents of the Blessed Beauty, so,
sects are discarded
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He knew it would end in time? Isn't some of the Imam lineages stil
surving like Aga Khan IV of the Nizari Ismai'ilis?
Good point: Ismaili succession requires both descent and designation, yet their
line has continued until the
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Their 'descent' requirement is strict: male descendants of the current Imam
only, not lateral relations
That may not hold true for the future. The current Agha Khan's son is
basically a play boy is not considered acceptable for succession and
so far the Aqa Khan has
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What would have happened if the Guardian had a son and at the time he
died the son was an infant or a child? If an infant certainly they
In the Bahai guardianship, like the Shiah Imamate, succession is not by
automatic rules
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He knew it would end in time? Isn't some of the Imam lineages stil surving
like Aga Khan IV of the Nizari Ismai'ilis?
Baha'is accept the Twelver line of Imams and reject the others. It is
clear from the Aqdas that there was an expectation that the line of
the Aghsan
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Dear Stephan,
Please do not post CB websites here.
He had his own Second International Baha'i Council who he prophesised would
beocme the true Universal House of Justcie after a meteor the size of a
mountain impacts the Agean Sea and a tidal wave destroys the
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What would have happened if the Guardian had a son and at the time he
died the son was an infant or a child? If an infant certainly they
In the Bahai guardianship, like the Shiah Imamate, succession is not by
automatic rules (like the British crown for example):
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the Guardian made it quite clear that the Hands
did not have the right to reject a Guardian's choice
I think I have read this in Pilgrim notes. Do we have this from the
Guardian in writing?
It's one of the things the Remeyite Covenant-breakers use for their
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The Guardian was bound to wait, before designating his successor, until the
capabilities of the most likely candidate were clear.
Shoghi Effendi was just a child when 'Abdu'l-Baha designated him His
successor in the Will and Testament, so apparently he wouldn't have
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