Dear Gilberto,
If I may, I would like to interject that progressive
Revelation is not some catch-phrase that Baha'is have adopted
to validate a belief. The term was first used by Baha'u'llah
in the following quote and expanded in the second quote from
Kitab-i-Aqdas footnotes:
XXXI.
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:43:56 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto,
At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
Gilberto:
So what is the difference you are making between a religion being dead
and the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end?
Mark:
I
The term was first used by Baha'u'llah
in the following quote and expanded in the second quote from
Kitab-i-Aqdas footnotes:
snip
... And when this process of progressive
Revelation culminated in the stage at which His peerless, His
most sacred, and exalted Countenance was to be unveiled to
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:27:58 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I don't just mean random Bahais off the street coming up with
stuff off the top of their heads. I mean the interpretations of more
knowledgable Bahais and people whose interpretations and readings seem
faithful and
Gilberto,
At 06:53 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
Why would you bother to thank Mark for his words and call them well said.
When everything else you wrote contradicts it?
IMO, the passages quoted by Dr. Khazeh Fananapazir refer to issues of
contextualization, not to the power of the Revelation. In
Dear Gilberto
In a message
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m42611.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu/msg01649.html
you write in relation to two passages below that it appears as if Dr Mark
Foster's point contradicts the Utterance of the Sacred Iqan and you were
Gilberto:
**Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
word of God. Yes Bahá'ís say Muhammad is a Manifestation. Yes, Bahá'ís even
say that the imams are similar to the manifestations in certain respects.
But Bahá'ís also say that the leaders of the Muslims (among
Dear Susan,
Could you be a bit more explicit about this theory, as I'm not
familiar with any possible source in Christian theology.
...he in turn, seems to have gotten it from Christian
theology
While I'm open to a broader understanding of the term, I
feel that because the passage from
Gilberto,
At 04:35 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
On the other hand, the passage you quote from the writings say that every
community has fallen into the grasp of foolish leaders.
IMO, He refers to those leaders as foolish because they are out of touch with
the Will of God for their age.
With
Dear Khazeh,
Could you provide that long French passage in English? Or maybe
provide a reference I could look up online?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:02:23 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
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Gilberto:
**Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
word
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:09:44 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain
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Dear Susan,
Could you be a bit more explicit about this theory, as I'm not
familiar with any possible source in Christian theology.
...he in turn, seems to have gotten it from Christian
theology
There is a
In a message dated 12/20/2004 7:33:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is
a Christian doctrine known as dispensationalism which breakshuman history
into different periods (dispensations) where God dealswith human beings in
a particular way
Dear Gilberto,
In a message dated 12/20/2004 5:06:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While
I'm open to a "broader" understanding of the term, I feel that because the
passage from Baha'u'llah opens with : "Contemplate with thine inward eye
the chain ofsuccessive Revelations that
Hi, Gilberto,
At 10:54 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
If you didn't have Dispensationalism in mind, which was the Christian concept
you were thinking of which was similar to progressive revelation?
Here is an example:
http://adams.patriot.net/~eastland/slm/
It isn't exactly either premillennial
In a message dated 12/20/2004 10:55:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you
didn't have Dispensationalism in mind, which was the Christianconcept you
were thinking of which was similar to
progressiverevelation?
Dear Gilberto,
I think progressive revelation
In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:30:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But the
Bahai faith isn't completely dissimilar to those groups. Ithink about "A
thief in the night" and the related interpretations ofthe Millerite groups
who as fundamentalists literally
Susan Maneck wrote:
The first millennial movement was started
during the Crusades by Joachim de Fiora who probably laid the groundwork
for dispensationalism. He held that Age of the Holy Spirit would begin in the
year 1260 A.D. Of course 1260 in the Muslim calendar is 1844 in the
In a message dated 12/21/2004 12:44:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
hadnt run across this most interesting bit of information before. Could
you give a little more of this history, or perhaps point me towards some
further reading?
Here's some websites
Dear Khazeh,
Could you provide that long French passage in English? Or maybe
provide a reference I could look up online?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:02:23 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto:
**Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
word
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