Re: Evolutionary Teleology

2005-05-17 Thread Mark A. Foster
Mike, At 07:36 PM 5/16/2005, you wrote: 1) It is important to understand, as you have stated, that teleological statements about evolution fall outside the domain of science; that is, they are not scientific, but rather statements about science. Or theological statements which deal with issues

Re: Evolutionary Teleology

2005-05-17 Thread Michael Moum
Mark, Perhaps I should say realist, rather than idealist. I use idealist in the sense that Platonic ideas have a real existence somewhere outside of the human mind. Mike Mark A. Foster wrote: You are a nominalist, and I am an idealist, so we would probably understand this statement differently;

Re: Evolutionary Teleology

2005-05-17 Thread Mark A. Foster
Mike, At 04:23 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: Perhaps I should say realist, rather than idealist. I use idealist in the sense that Platonic ideas have a real existence somewhere outside of the human mind. Yes. Well, Platonic idealism is generally regarded as a category of realism. So is Thomism and

...a quote taken from a news

2005-05-17 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
The following is a quote taken from a news item... Musab al-Zarqawi: Our Sunni faith stipulates that the sword and bullets be the only dialogue between us and the worshippers of the cross. Could someone, perhaps Gilberto, tell me the particular Quranic text being referenced in this statement

Erotic Imagery In the Allegorical Writings of Baha'u'llah

2005-05-17 Thread Gilberto Simpson
http://bahai-library.com/unpubl.articles/erotic.allegory.html I just thought this was an interesting paper given some recent discussions in the forum. -Gilberto Erotic Imagery In the Allegorical Writings of Baha'u'llah by John Walbridge In the Qur'an the blacked-eyed maidens (Arab.,

RE: ...a quote taken from a news

2005-05-17 Thread Susan Maneck
Could someone, perhaps Gilberto, tell me the particular Quranic text being referenced in this statement? Dear Sandra, I presume you are pulling Gilberto's leg? As you know there are no bullets in the Qur'an. ;-} warmest, Susan __ You are

Re: ...a quote taken from a news

2005-05-17 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 5/17/05, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following is a quote taken from a news item... Musab al-Zarqawi: Our Sunni faith stipulates that the sword and bullets be the only dialogue between us and the worshippers of the cross. Could someone, perhaps Gilberto, tell me the

RE: Erotic Imagery In the Allegorical Writings of Baha'u'llah

2005-05-17 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Gilberto, In future for such long articles it would probably be better to provide a URL than post the whole thing. Terry Culhane has done a lot of work on notion of the Divine Feminine in the Baha'i Writings. He has a book out now entitled I Beheld a Maiden. warmest, Susan

Re: ...a quote taken from a news,

2005-05-17 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Gilberto, No assumption on my part... I assure you. My error is asuming that because he said Our Sunni faith... etc. the belief would have some basis in the Quran. And, if I remember correctly you are Sunni ... obviously a reliable source of information. If there is no basis for this

Re: ...a quote taken from a news,

2005-05-17 Thread Gilberto Simpson
I guess I would take with a great deal of salt the claim of someone like that to speak for all sunnis. (Especially since he doesn't speak for me). I tend to view this sort of conflict through a political lens before seeing it as a religious issue. Analogous to the Troubles of Northern Ireland.

Re: Evolutionary Teleology

2005-05-17 Thread Patti Goebel
IMO, `Abdu'l-Baha is saying that there was always a being with a soul (somewhere). Mark, I take it even further than this in that the human soul existed in the plan of God, but was not necessarily somewhere, but sometime. Patti __ You are

Re: Evolutionary Teleology

2005-05-17 Thread Mark A. Foster
Marleen, At 05:53 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: Dear Mark, can you please provide page numbers in parentheses of SAQ related to your statements so I can better understand what passages in SAQ support your argument? That will be in the revised paper. Right now, I am recovering from the academic

Re: (6) ONE COMMON FAITH - Dominus Iesus, side-by-side common study

2005-05-17 Thread Barmak Kusha
I was struck by these parts from the Letter of the Supreme Body to the World's Religious Leaders: "Alas, it is clear that these [interfaith] initiatives lack both intellectual coherence and spiritual commitment. In contrast to the processes of unification that are transforming the rest of

Re: Evolutionary Teleology

2005-05-17 Thread Mark A. Foster
Patti, At 09:24 PM 5/17/2005, you wrote: I take it even further than this in that the human soul existed in the plan of God, but was not necessarily somewhere, but sometime. It is also possible that He was not restricting beings with souls to this planet, but I am just speculating. Regards,

RE: ...a quote taken from a news,

2005-05-17 Thread David Lambert
Gilberto wrote: And elsewhere the Quran explicitly gives Muslims permission to eat with Jews and Christians (which implies sociability) and even limited inter-marriage. So the idea that the Quran asserts that the only dialogue possible the sword and the bullet is really silly to me. Gilberto,