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Oh, I do not know that much of early church history. They listed these as:
1.Thyatira (Baha'i Faith) Universal House of Justice in Haifa, Israel
2.Laodicea (The Faith of God, The House of Mankind, The Man, The Universal
Palace of Order, etc.) Jamshid Ma'ani
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Also, what kind of person was 'Amatu'l-Baha Ruhhiyyih Khannum? They have her
characterized as the greedy power hungry conspirator who killed Shoghi
Effendi.
That's probably the thing I find the most disgusting about the
Jensenites, they rely on slander. Contrary to
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Shoaullah Ala'i
Agnes Alexander
Hasan M. Balyuzi
Musa Banani
Amelia E. Collins
Clara Dunn
H. Collis Featherstone
John Ferraby
Ali Akbar Furutan
Dr. Ugo Giachery
Dr. Hermann Grossmann
Paul E. Haney
Horace Holley
Leroy C. Ioas
Zikrullah Khadem
Amatu'l-Baha
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The complete list of people they do not like. I put emphasis on the alleged
ringleaders of the plot to kill Shoghi Effendi and usurp the faith.
Those are all Hands of the Cause. My point is that they do not have
one shred of evidence to back up their allegations.
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I got the list from the MBC-OBF rather than the COBL-BUPC. I really do not
understand hsitory. PS Leland Jensen claimed innocence and said his conviction
was due to a corrupt gov't/judicial system.
From: Susan Maneck
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Also, their UHJ ie UHJ.net allows women on thiers.
The appointed body of the Universal House of Justice in its first stage, once
and for all, herby resolves that:
Based upon the Explicit Holy Text and the clear and manifest proofs and
evidences contained within,
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Why is Covenant Breaker material being allowed on this list?
Tim
All good art is about something deeper than it admits.
--Roger Ebert
--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RE: Sects
To: Baha'i
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I got the list from the MBC-OBF rather than the COBL-BUPC. I really do not
understand hsitory. PS Leland Jensen claimed innocence and said his
conviction was due to a corrupt gov't/judicial system.
Would you expect him to say otherwise? There are numerous women,
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Dear Susan,
I'm more a reader than a writer in this, as my english is more
commercial than spiritual.
But these last exchanges remind me a question I put myself since I am
bahai :
How baha'is can say they are in friendship with all believers of all
one-only-God
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Dear Loic,
It is precisely because of the need to preserve our unity that we are
urged to stay away from Covenant breakers. Their intent is to destroy
that unity and if given the opportunity they woulld do so. As you
probably know association with Covenant breakers is
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Also, what kind of person was 'Amatu'l-Baha Ruhhiyyih Khannum? They
have her characterized as the greedy power hungry conspirator who
killed Shoghi Effendi.
She was self-confident, assertive and the designated intermediary
between Shoghi Effendi and the
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I got the list from the MBC-OBF rather than the COBL-BUPC. I really
do not understand hsitory. PS Leland Jensen claimed innocence and
said his conviction was due to a corrupt gov't/judicial system.
Specifically he claimed the AMA bribed
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The complete list of people they do not like. I put emphasis on the
alleged ringleaders of the plot to kill Shoghi Effendi and usurp the
faith.
These are the entire contingent of the Hands of the Cause who were
required to give their consent to the choice of
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I do not know who they are?
From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 12:59:15 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Sects
The Baha'i Studies ListservDear Stephen,
I would request
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Why is sectarianism such an issue for western religions?
Sunni vs Shia vs Khajirite vs Qur'an alone
Protestant vs Catholic vs Anglican vs Lutheran vs Orthodx vs Mormon vs etc...
any of the 22,000 Christian groups
Hindu's have:
1. Vaishnavas
2. Shaivas
3. Shaktas
4.
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I once read an article in American Baha'i on an unrelated, coincidental episode
in the Gaurdian's life. He was very frugal. He wore the same coat all the time
and it got old word out. 'Amatu'l-Baha bought him an exspensive coat. He had
her sell it for a dozen
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Oh, but that is not the problem in and of itself, it just proves she had motive
and opportunity.
From: Don Calkins montana...@great-falls.net
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 6:59:52 PM
Subject:
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What is this? CSI Haifa??
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Oh, but that is not the problem in and of itself, it just proves she
had motive and opportunity.
Motive and opportunity to what?
Don C
From: Don Calkins montana...@great-falls.net
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Sent: Thu,
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No, she did not have materialistic leanings at all. She just loved and adored
him. She too lived quite modestly after she got married.
The beloved Guardian Shoghi Effendi has described her as my shield and
shelter.
Best wishes,
Iskandar
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Dear Loic,
There are quite a number of references in the Writings regarding your question.
I'd recommend that U carefully study Abdu'l-Baha's last Tablet to America, even
though the translation is a bit choppy. In it He cites passages from
Baha'u'llah.
Best,
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Alledgedly killing Shoghi Effendi, I say allegedly... She was with him the most
and he was standing between her and the Fund money.
From: Don Calkins montana...@great-falls.net
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Sent: Thu,
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Yo!
Let me tell you what I know about Ruhiyyih Khanoum. My grandfather, a civil
engineer, worked for her father and it was his respect for the Bahai Faith
that limited my family's trauma when I told them that I had changed my
religion. He told everyone not to worry,
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Do you really believe that w/ Shoghi Effendi dead she rcvd free
access to the International Fund? Or the Huququ'llah? On what
basis? What is she supposed to have done with that money? I have
never heard of her spending money profligately before or after the
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One woman, a member of his International Council reported
on-line that after she was named to the council, he had insisted on having
sex with her. When her husband, also a member of the council, refused to
support her, she left the movement.
Here is what she
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Here's a testimonial from a former Jensen followers.It was part of a
thread of posts by women who had been victims of Jensen's womanizing.
Date: Tue Jul 8, 2003 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: Accounts of Official or Institutional Abuse of Individual
Baha'is
I wanted to offer
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I do not know who they are?
Dear Stephen,
Tony Lee is a Baha'i who lives in Los Angeles and runs Kalimat Press.
More than twenty years ago he and a few other Baha'is wrote a paper
entitled The Service of Women on the Institutions of the Baha'i
Faith wherein it was
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Why is sectarianism such an issue for western religions?
Dear Stephen,
Another way of wording your question is why do the Abrahamic religions
place so much stress on the Covenant. It is because we believe so
strongly in the authority of revelation. We don't simply
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