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Some Christians (perhaps most) divide Biblical covenants into conditional
covenants which blow up in your face (and pretty much end)when you violate
their provisions, and unconditional covenants which are essentially Divine
Decisions and do not change based on human
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Thanks Mark. Your list makes sense. On page 3 of *The Covenant of Baha'u'llah*,
Adib Taherzadeh cites a similar but not identical list which he attributes to
George Townshend. Could Townshend have been your original source?
And thank-you Susan. Am I understanding
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With respect to toddlers, infants, and fetuses:
Deuteronomy 20:10-18
10When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace
unto it.
11And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then
it shall be, that all the people
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Hi David, Ursus et al.
Let me start by saying that I agree that the issue of a prophetic timetable is
a very serious issue and should not be laughed off or buried under a technical
discussion of the meaning of “infallibility”. Throughout the twentieth century,
many
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Hello all… Hi Sen, Most specifically I was referring to Shoghi Effendi’s
comment in *** The Promised Day Is Come *** (Wilmette,1980 printing) p. 121:
‘One of the great events, 'Abdu'l-Bahá has, in His Some Answered Questions,
affirmed, which is to occur in the Day
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Sorry. I may be a bear of very little brain, but the notion that Shoghi Effendi
would write a long epistle in English, use the English word century
twenty-five times, twenty-one of which refer to a conventional hundred-year
span, and then without warning or comment,
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Hello all,
I'd like to elaborate on the idea that history, Biblical tradition and Baha'i
doctrine draw on different sources of information.
In Lights of Guidance we find on p. 494, #1660, from a letter written on behalf
of the House, citing a letter written on
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As you say Gilberto:
I would not have a problem with taking the Garden
account or certain miracles as some kind of metaphor. On the other
hand, i think saying something like Abraham never existed or Jesus
never existed is a much more radical (to the root) step and then
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I believe you are referring to:
Bahai Library Online
Provisional Translations #107
Lawh-i-Hájí Mírzá Kamalu'd-Dín.
Tablet to Hájí Mírzá Kamálu'd-Dín: Excerpt. Bahá'u'lláh. Iskandar Hai, trans.
http://bahai-library.com/file.php?file=bahaullah_lawh_mirza_kamal-din
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Bahai Library Online
Provisional Translations #107
Lawh-i-Hájí Mírzá Kamalu'd-Dín.
Tablet to Hájí Mírzá Kamálu'd-Dín: Excerpt. Bahá'u'lláh. Iskandar Hai, trans.
http://bahai-library.com/file.php?file=bahaullah_lawh_mirza_kamal-din
Definitely a mind-blowing,
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The question still remains, how should Baha'is understand Shoghi Effendi's
statement that:
One of the great events, 'Abdu'l-Bahá has, in His Some Answered Questions,
affirmed, which is to occur in the Day of the manifestation of that
Incomparable Branch
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David has asked:
What would have to happen historically for the Baha'i Faith to
be proven wrong?
What has to happen historically for the Baha'i Faith to be proven wrong is the
same as what would have to happen historically for any other faith to be proven
wrong.
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I think maybe, that if the Holy Land, home of so many religious sites and
artifacts, is often described as the sacred snow-white spot, yet in the Holy
Mariner Baha'u'llah asks that we not tarry there, then perhaps in the Mariner
the snow-white spot refers to the
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The authorized edition of the Aqdas tells us in note 66 that the anticipation
of the Guardianship occurs in paragraph 42. Reading that paragraph, it strikes
me that the clarity of the anticipation is ex post facto. Once the Will and
Testament was published, the
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David writes:
This passage in whole makes me think that any appointment was to be made by a
will. If the Hands were to give their assent during the lifetime of the
Guardian then why didn't the Hands elect the nine during the lifetime of the
Guardian? The fact that
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I can't endorse the details of the contents of the articles, but one can find a
variety of perspectives on th NHS by googling Ahmad Sohrab or checking out
the wikipedia article on Baha'i Divisions
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Inasmuch as great differences and divergences of denominational belief had
arisen throughout the past, every man with a new idea attributing it to God,
Bahá'u'lláh desired that there should not be any ground or reason for
disagreement among the Bahá'ís. Therefore,
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There are a couple of points which might be added to what Brent has said.
On page 111 of **World Order of Baha'u'llah** the Guardian quotes 'Abdu'l-Baha:
In confirmation of the exalted rank of the true believer, referred to by
Bahá'u'lláh, He ('Abdu'l-Baha) reveals
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Sen, I agree entirely, both with respect to criticism and with respect to
dreams and intuitions. I agree that criticism offered from a detached and
consultative position are vital to the health of any collective endeavor. I
agree that tapping the power of dreams and
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Baha'u'llah has spoken eloquently concerning His own Divinity in Epistle to the
Son of the Wolf, p. 40-42. Whether this will fit comfortably with the
preconceptions of a Benedictine however is another matter. The aroma of Islamic
cultural context is strong in this
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I think that some of the controversial topics addressed on the “Polishing the
Mirror” thread are worthy of further discussion, but I also agree that that
thread should be reserved for discussion of the particular Sacred Acts referred
to in the initial post of that
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Susan, thanks for that clarification. A big, bad bureaucracy going after a
bunch of mystics for being too spiritual is I think precisely what it can
sound like if we assume that what is clear to some is clear to all. Also, my
impression has always somehow been that
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The list of character flaws enumerated by Baha'u'llah in Gleanings p. 323 has
always covered it for me.
CLIII. O banished and faithful friend! Quench the thirst of heedlessness with
the sanctified waters of My grace, and chase the gloom of remoteness through
the
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What is the difference between a Baha'i saying that an action is not covered by
law and a Muslim saying that it is legally neutral?
Independent of either Baha'i law or Sharia, beyond either religion, or any
religion, it seems to me that the categories of obligatory,
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I just don't get it. So all of the references to jinn in the Qur'an were just a
long allegory or metaphor? OK. But Baha'u'llah was comfortable referring to
jinns and letting his followers think jinns were something real until Shoghi
Effendi raised a red flag and said
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Given the passage from Gleanings p.156-157,
“The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of
guiding mankind to the p.157 straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying
Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at
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As such, it is easy to **imagine** the House of Justice in the future
(posthumously?) referring to some believer as having distinguished
him/herself to such a degree in the realms of faith, spirituality and
service that they had risen to such a station.
Sorry, I'm
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Gilberto wisely says:
They certainly have distinctive beliefs but every church has their own
distinctive beliefs or practices ... that's why at some point they
split off from some other church.
And when those splits were fresh, some of the mutual recrimination was
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Hi ... We could all go on for months debating exactly who on the list is a
benign influence on the world and who isn’t. We all have thinkers and scholars
whom we admire and others whom we detest. I suppose any or all the members of
Howse’s list could qualify as
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Sorry but I just got around to reading this thread. Strange that no one
suggested as the Baha'i code of devoutness 'Abdu'l-Baha's message
To Live the Life
To be no cause of grief to anyone.
To be kind to all people and to love them with a pure spirit.
Should
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Back before I was married, I went through a phase where it seemed like every
woman I dated had recently been involved with another woman, yet still had
ample attraction for men. Often they would compliment me on being quiet and
gentle. Some later got married to men.
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The issue is that some people are left feeling torn apart by a great desire on
the one hand to please their Creator and a feeling of helplessness on the other
hand to change their inner cravings. It is certainly not our place to sit in
judgment, but rather to show
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I'm unfamiliar with Bhaskar, but quite familiar with Whitehead. How would you
say Bhaskar differs from Whitehead and why do you prefer his descriptions of
reality over Whitehead's?
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From: Mark A. Foster ow...@markfoster.net
To: Baha'i
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IMO, with the slaughters in the TaNaH or in the Qur'An, the only right
nd wrong is what God wills through His Prophets. The same is true today.
While I agree with you Mark that it is the revealed will of God that is wholly
normative for the believer, I also
: Slaughters
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On 12/12/2011 4:12 AM, Gary Selchert wrote:
While I agree with you Mark that it is the revealed will of God that is
wholly normative for the believer, I also believe that God holds within His
own mind hidden truths not yet revealed either through nature
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Specifically, 'Abdu'l-Baha says:
Then it is evident that the Manifestations possess three conditions: the
physical condition, the condition of the rational soul, and the condition of
the divine appearance and heavenly splendor. The physical condition will
certainly
of
Bahá'u'lláh (which is the same as Jesus), we don't worship the soul
(individuality) of Bahá'u'lláh? Am I correct?
Thanks for answers,
H.
De: Gary Selchert ebedeyn...@aol.com
Para: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Enviado: Jueves, 23 de agosto, 2012 2:16 A.M.
Asunto: Re
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Hi Stephen...I must say that I find your comment that Don's response is
littered with appeal to authority is very strange, a bit like saying my back
yard is littered with grass that is growing in it. Someone makes a decision as
to whether anything can be read in a
one child
policy was illegal. In China as well as other authoritarian regime, they're not
concerned with truth or justice (except maybe in name). Authoritarian regime
have no quadries about declaring innocent people guiltly and vice versa.
From: Gary Selchert ebedeyn...@aol.com
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Yeah, that's it! With Debra Winger as Joy Gresham. Thanks!
Gary
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From: Skygram skyg...@gmail.com
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: Prayer (Shadowland)
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It seems to be a decent, if perfunctory, intro essay on Baha'i beliefs. And it
gives a good account of the issues which Baha'is should expect to encounter
when they discuss the faith with well-educated and apologetically-trained
traditional Christians.
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OK. Communism is bad and post-modernism is silly. So why are we supposed to be
worried and why are you directing people's attention toward this blog which I
guess you don't like?
Thanks,
Gary
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From: Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com
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We should be clear about what has actually been said:
‘Abdu’l-Bahá says in Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp. 429-430: “… my
purpose isto warn and strengthen you against accusations, criticisms,
revilings, andderision in newspaper articles or other publications.
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Who is happy in the next life and who is not?
This passage has always struck me as indicative of a very inclusive and
even-handed policy concerning the souls of individuals from various belief
systems and the judgments of their actions:
Baha’u'llah, Gleanings from
, and Buddhism. None of the prophecies in uncertain
terms says the Baha'i Faith will grow to be everyone one in the world. They say
the vague term's like God's Faith, God's Cause, Belief will grow to contain
everyone in the world.
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mercy.
The Meaning of the Glorious Quran by Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall
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Stephen:
I think you are absolutely right. Through the ages vagueness has been
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Covenantal nomism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Covenantal nomism', in opposition to merit theology, is the belief that 1st
century Palestinian Jews did not believe in works righteousness. Essentially,
it is the belief that one is brought into the
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You are right Susan; I was fuzzy in my thinking. So it is the Covenant of Alast
which engenders
the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future
mentioned in Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 85, so that as 'Abdu'l-Baha
says, the image and
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Stephen:
You seem to be arguing with yourself now. Perhaps what needs to be said is that
all virtue must be applied to a situation with intelligence, sense and
judgment, rather than acting out a pre-recorded script and calling it virtue.
Your previous example of
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Stephen:
Please!
No serious scholars date either of those books prior to the 1st or 2nd
centuries BCE, and that's stretching it. We may as well accept that, since
Jesus' book is the New Testament, even though He wrote none of it, it is most
reasonable to accept
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Stephan:
Since Nafs is often translated as soul in the Baha'i writings, I believe that
the following passages are relevant to the issue.
Gary
(Baha'u'llah, The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 152-154)
As to thy question regarding the soul: Know thou that among
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It's a different kind of unity in diversity!
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From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)
The
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Stop worrying about the chronology! The one you're using is fine. Go back and
re-read the Kitab-i-Iqan a couple of times instead.
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From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:02
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Sure. They believe in the infallibility of Scripture, which does not, according
to either system or any other system of beliefs (except maybe Mormons), include
the Sefir-i-Yetzirah or the Testament of Abraham (much less the Mormon Book of
Abraham). This is a very
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Stephen seems to want desperately to flush us out of theunderbrush on the issue
of all things LGBT. Clearly, the public Baha’i rulesabout gayness are at odds
with the customs of our (western) society in much thesame way that Baha’i
rules concerningalcoholic
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Pardon me. The Deuteronomy reference emphatically should include Deuteronomy
chapter 20, along with 21 and 22. Sorry.
GS
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Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:11 pm
their preferences openly in the Baha'i community.
But is that suggestion a vain imagining? Very possibly!
GS
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To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: Against nature
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Stephen, I guess if society wants to base its mores on the standards of a
religion that makes up 0.1% of the world's population, that would be their
choice. No one would more surprised than we if they based their mores on our
standards without first embracing from
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Oh Susan, please don't destroy my last illusion!!!
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From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com
To: Baha'i Studies bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2013 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Against nature...
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I'm a Germanic, neo-Duns-Scotian glutton.
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Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2013 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: Against nature...
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...And yet you so often bless us with your comments. Why are we so blessed?
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Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:12 am
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in logic and can
notify people when they're using fallacies. Also, I'm an ex non dis enrolled
Baha'i who left because of the logical inconsistencies.
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and religion conflict, people should side with logic and rationality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_religion
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Hmmm...Logic is also not on our list
in Baha'i community life he instead started interacting with
a lot of disaffected ex-Baha'is. That has sort of twisted his view of
the Faith.
warmest, Susan
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Stephen: Logical people will side
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Hasan, Susan has told the gentleman that he is no longer welcome here. He is
however not a person to worry about whether he is welcome somewhere. His
concern is not to discuss so much as it is his craving to demonstrate how many
wikipedia sites he has visited and
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I'd just like to say that there can be no such thing as entry by troops or
massive conversions without a few nutcases and snake-oil salesmen coming along
for the ride. The more troops, the more undesirables into the mix. Viva los
locos!
Peace,
GS
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I have always found the idea a little hard to swallow that God is so democratic
that He waits to tally the prayer/votes before He decides on the wisdom of a
course of action.When I pray, I pray for the wisdom and serenity to accept what
God has already in infinite
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