I came back to this to point out that everyone of these failed states you
mentioned was at some point prior to failure a leftist state.
Pretty interesting.
And yes even theological states can be leftist, you know of the Christian
socialists in Europe, the baath party were. Afghanistan was
http://tfninsider.org/2014/05/16/houston-pastor-says-religious-freedom-means-the-right-to-discriminate-against-gays-jews/
These right wing nuts are more Orwellian than George Orwell.
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She's right, as an individual, and as a private business owner you should
be able to interact with those you choose.
The communities response should be to not do business with those they find
abhorrent. The individual or business will be forced to either change
their policies, or fail.
Our should the synagogue be required to hire klansmen and national
socialists?
On May 19, 2014 11:29 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
She's right, as an individual, and as a private business owner you should
be able to interact with those you choose.
The communities response should be
I disagree. If you open a business to the general public, you have an
obligation to abide by a certain set of standards. Those include health and
safety, public accessibility, and, yes, non-discrimination standards. That
is part of being in a community.
I'm ok with private groups doing their own
So my Jewish delicatessen should have to hire the local grand Dragon?
On May 19, 2014 11:57 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
I disagree. If you open a business to the general public, you have an
obligation to abide by a certain set of standards. Those include health and
safety,
My gay bar must hire the Christian bigot, and my Christian book store just
hire an atheist or homosexual?
On May 19, 2014 11:57 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
I disagree. If you open a business to the general public, you have an
obligation to abide by a certain set of
Yes. As long as the local grand asshole can do the job, including being
awesome to the jewish customers, then there you go, that's what matters.
Speaking of which, some of the best waffles I've ever gotten were from a
Satanist. Dude who worked at this place was fairly high up, as I understand
Private property, even that used for businesses, is still private.
The federal government has very limited powers granted to it explicitly in
this area, and most states constitution limit their legislators in the same
way.
You can't make people get along.
It's funny how those who talk the most
Absolutely. If the Christian bigot can do a good job serving sweaty, mostly
naked dudes fresh off the dance floor and pour an awesome drink, then
he/she ought to hired. My guess is that they would either not do a very
good job, because their beliefs weren't compatible with the job
requirements,
This isn't really true, Tim, as much as you want it to be. Look up public
accommodation.
And I'm absolutely all about tolerance. In fact, I'm saying that everyone
has to tolerate everyone else. You don't get to discriminate. That's what
tolerance means. You are the one advocating for support of
That's the appropriate response, and honestly the reason I have hand
tattoos, the money is so good in certain circles I had to make sure I
couldn't do it anymore.
Well that and a love of tattoos and a retirement income.
On May 19, 2014 12:06 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
I can understand where you are coming from, I just disagree. I think that
jobs are jobs and you should be judged on your ability to do a job, not any
other criteria.
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:14 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure it's the law and had been, I'm talking about
I'm sure it's the law and had been, I'm talking about what I believe.
I think we should differentiate between totally private businesses and
publicly traded one's.
I get that health and welfare laws are necessary, but I think that this
crosses into voluntary association.
On May 19, 2014 12:08
So, AE should not have been allowed to fire the old red neck?
On May 19, 2014 12:20 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
I can understand where you are coming from, I just disagree. I think that
jobs are jobs and you should be judged on your ability to do a job, not any
other
That seems like a double standard, he did his job, the interview was as an
individual, that's a pretty steep speech impact especially when you
consider the number of people employed even at second hand by the
government.
On May 19, 2014 12:27 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Of
Of course they should be able to fire him. All contracts in that arena are
going to have a clause about upholding the standards of the network and not
bringing any ill repute upon them. You publicly embarrass your employer,
you aren't doing your job well. Therefore you get fired. Pretty easy.
His job is to make money for his employer by having a certain character on
tv, in public appearances, etc. His behavior significantly damaged that
character and cost his employer. Hence, he's not employed doing that any
more. Really quite straight forward.
Judah
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:29
I'd expect the same thing to happen to me when I've been in leadership
positions, btw. If I was leading a large multiracial team (as I have in the
past), I don't believe that I would be able to do my job effectively if I
was outed in the local media as a big racist. It just isn't compatible with
So Freedom means discrimination.
Are you sure you served for that?
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
She's right, as an individual, and as a private business owner you should
be able to interact with those you choose.
The communities response should be
If the guy is qualified and wants to work there. What happens later is
entirely different though.
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:58 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
So my Jewish delicatessen should have to hire the local grand Dragon?
On May 19, 2014 11:57 AM, Judah McAuley
Ok, so if you live a lifestyle of sin, you will effect the impression of
my business within my religious community, which will also impact ny bottom
line.
On May 19, 2014 12:37 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
His job is to make money for his employer by having a certain character
What I served for hasn't existed in a hundred years and more.
On May 19, 2014 12:42 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
So Freedom means discrimination.
Are you sure you served for that?
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
She's right, as
thing is Tim that privately held business is offering a public
accommodation just as a publicly held company. If that private
company did not offer its goods and services to all then it had better
go completely private and requite a members only policy - in other
words NOT offer a public
Private company.
Perhaps this will explain:
http://xkcd.com/1357/
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
So, AE should not have been allowed to fire the old red neck?
On May 19, 2014 12:20 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
I can understand where
In that case you could always try this place:
It has among the lowest tax burdens of any major country: fewer than 2
percent of the people pay any taxes. Government is limited, so that
burdensome regulations never kill jobs. This society embraces
traditional religious values and a conservative
Is that the job? Then, yeah, you are probably right there. I'm not sure
what job you are hypothesizing, though. It's true that if you hire a gay
pastor for a southern baptist church, you'd lose business and that would be
bad. I'd say that the person in question could not reasonably do that job
in
Aside from the extreme example you mention, I do no see how sexual
attraction should have an impact on the job in the first place. If the
person's co workers can keep their libido in check, why shouldn't the
same reasonable expectation be made with someone who happens to be
gay.
Unfortunately
Pastor Says Religious Freedom Means the Right to
Discriminate Against Gays, Jews
She's right, as an individual, and as a private business owner you should be
able to interact with those you choose.
The communities response should be to not do business with those they find
abhorrent
Freedom Means the Right to
Discriminate Against Gays, Jews
So my Jewish delicatessen should have to hire the local grand Dragon?
On May 19, 2014 11:57 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
I disagree. If you open a business to the general public, you have an
obligation to abide by a certain
Yes...they have to or be in violation of the law.
-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:00 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Houston Pastor Says Religious Freedom Means the Right to
Discriminate Against Gays, Jews
My gay bar must
in uniform, they represent their branch of service.
-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:30 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Houston Pastor Says Religious Freedom Means the Right to
Discriminate Against Gays, Jews
That seems like
You say that same asinine garbage all the time, you know I'm not am
anarchist or anything close to it.
Costa Rica, Uruguay, Panama, all kinds of places with laws, even more
socialized system than ours, respect individual rights more than we do in
this country these days.
On May 19, 2014 12:50
If you're targeting a Christian or republican demographic?
On May 19, 2014 12:50 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Is that the job? Then, yeah, you are probably right there. I'm not sure
what job you are hypothesizing, though. It's true that if you hire a gay
pastor for a
You're making it about groups, I don't care what two groups you use to make
the point, I'm only concerned with the rights of the individual property
owner.
On May 19, 2014 12:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Aside from the extreme example you mention, I do no see how sexual
: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:30 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Houston Pastor Says Religious Freedom Means the Right to
Discriminate Against Gays, Jews
That seems like a double standard, he did his job, the interview was as an
individual, that's a pretty steep speech impact especially when you
.
-Original Message-
From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:30 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Houston Pastor Says Religious Freedom Means the Right to
Discriminate Against Gays, Jews
That seems like a double standard, he did his job
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you talking about should a CF shop
targeting Republicans as their audience have to employ a gay programmer?
If that is what you are saying, then, yes. There is no rational basis for
being gay or black or female having anything to do with that person's
ability to
Clients can't be bigots?
Go to a halal market some time
On May 19, 2014 2:22 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you talking about should a CF shop
targeting Republicans as their audience have to employ a gay programmer?
If that is what you are
Can you explicitly point out where I'm advocating anyone giving up rights?
Because I'm not. I'm advocating that individual rights be balanced, which
is how a constitutional republic works.
Should an individual be allowed to run their business their way? Yes they
should.
Should an individual be
I do go to halal markets. Great place to buy meat and I've never had a bad
experience. They treat me well even though I'm an white agnostic dude.
It's a great example of public accommodation.
Judah
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote:
Clients can't be
By the Law that does not matter. You provide a public accommodation
you have to serve all. The solution is to simple offer your business
to those who fit within your bigotries.
Chances are however your business won't last long however.
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:43 PM, LRS Scout
You have been spewing a mythical system that never existed, pining for
a false history. I was pointing out somewhere that fits your
historical pining. Just because of those historical factors has made
it a 3rd world hell hole is entirely separate.
I could have also mentioned Somalia, the Sudan
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