The UK values freedom of speech but it is on a horizontal plane along with
other rights and freedoms, NOT a vertical one with freedom of speech at the
top. Hate speech not only gets you blocked in the UK, it gets you jailed, and
quite rightly in my opinion.
pages of active
users that I've seen do appear to volunteer which gender they are. It is
probably possible to go back.
Marie
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 13:45:34 -0400
From: risker...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)
A few
] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)
A few points here:
- If less than 15% of editors identify as female, and the vast
majority of those do not regularly participate in dispute management, how
are you going to establish a panel that is 50% women? This isn't a small
point
While I've barely had a chance to read through proposal and comments,
I'd like to just ask re the below which applies generally right now:
On 7/7/2014 9:35 AM, Risker wrote:
I know what it's like to have my inbox flooded with requests for
assistance in relation to dispute resolution - just
On 7 July 2014 09:51, Carol Moore dc carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:
While I've barely had a chance to read through proposal and comments, I'd
like to just ask re the below which applies generally right now:
On 7/7/2014 9:35 AM, Risker wrote:
I know what it's like to have my inbox flooded
:45:34 -0400
From: risker...@gmail.com
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)
A few points here:
If less than 15% of editors identify as female, and the vast majority of
those do not regularly participate in dispute management, how
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi there,
I'm flagging the major issues that need to be considered.
1) we can not promise anonymity for the people acting as adjudicators. Any
attempt to have anonymous people hearing a case will attract attention
On 7 July 2014 13:00, Daniel and Elizabeth Case danc...@frontiernet.net
wrote:
2) the reasons that people enforcing the rules on Wikipedia ignore
incivility, harassment, and trolling is because that approach is often the
best way to stop attention seeking behavior. The idea to not feed
a table
that takes account of the editors' participation levels prior to the block?
Marie
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 21:23:18 -0400
From: carolmoor...@verizon.net
To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Addressing incivility (was: men on lists)
When I was a little
Being relatively new to this list, I dip my toe into what seems to be a
somewhat fraught mailing list with some trepidation. (Read: please don't
bite this newbie).
I think we need to understand where the problems lie and therefore what
problem(s) we are seeking to solve. If I understand it
I have a class of many women who have an optional editing
assignment,. Many try to edit but leave out of concern about bullying
by (probably) male editors. You are right that they are lost before
they get here. My attrition rate is 70%. I do not want women to go
where they do not feel safe.
I do
Janine,
Ryan, Pete and Moriel, these are great ideas.
I love the idea of a button that anyone can press to send an alert to a
Wikiquette team. How can an idea like this be moved forward? There could be
different levels of urgency (low: general incivility; medium: sexism,
racism,
I think the closest thing we have with these capabilities is the Wikimedia
OTRS system:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS
Specific queues can be customized in many ways, I believe, though others
will know more about this.
Thanks,
Pharos
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Moriel Schottlender
What if...
Wikiquette assistance were resurrected as a list of volunteer admins that
you could privately email about problems rather than a public noticeboard?
Ryan Kaldari
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
I would assume that WMF has an ombudsman who
Online communities can allow anyone to report problem posts or PMs. Only
the moderators see these reports, not the general membership or public. For
example, Simple Machines Forum has a report link on every post.
I've been part of the moderation team in scienceforums.net for the past 6-7
I'm European (from Ireland) and clearly identify this as a major issue.
-- Allie (User:Alison)
On Jul 4, 2014, at 11:53 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
do you know women outside the north american culture, i.e. US and CA,
affected by this?
rupert
Am 03.07.2014 21:13
On 7/3/2014 1:40 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
The problem on en.wiki at least is that a vocal minority effectively
prevent any enforcement of the civility policy.
The other problem is double standard enforcement. A bunch of guys may
complain about mild incivility by a female and she'll get
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Carol Moore dc
carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/3/2014 1:40 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
The problem on en.wiki at least is that a vocal minority effectively
prevent any enforcement of the civility policy.
The other problem is double standard enforcement. A
Even if it is an en-wiki only issue, it's having a clear impact on
editor retention and therefore the long-term sustainability of the
project. I think trying to fix that is easy to dismiss as
micromanagement but sometimes it turns out that fixing the big
picture /does/ require organizational
There was an attempt to address the civility problem on Wikipedia English
with a top down approach at the very start of Sue Gardner's time at WMF.
Sue, Jimmy Wales, myself, and a group of half dozen other people talked
about it in a closed group. It failed because a top down approach is not
Dear Val,
I've now read and reread your message (quoted below) several times, and
want to thank you for putting this important concept in such clear and
tangible terms.
I have just one thing to add:
It seems to me that this points to a broader issue that's deeply connected
with the social
Daniel and Elizabeth Case wrote:
A major problem with our dispute-resolution processes is that the person being
harassed has to endure more harassment to
draw attention to the problem.
This is, of course, hardly unique to Wikipedia or even online communities in
general, I think.
I have
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case
danc...@frontiernet.net wrote:
A major problem with our dispute-resolution processes is that the
person being harassed has to endure more harassment to draw attention to
the problem.
This is, of course, hardly unique to
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