Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-27 Thread Thomas Morton
Carol; are you now suggesting I am an Akin staffer? Im distraught by this entire thread; it started with my motives being questioned in creating an AFD. And descended into hurtful comments about me trying to oppress women. Because I suggested the word questionable wasnt nice, and that carols

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-27 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 8/26/2012 5:33 PM, Emily Monroe wrote: It's probably better to avoid arguments of tone online, even if it's a tone you want to avoid yourself, because it's way too easy to misinterpret without tonal inflection, or other bits of non-verbal body language. You may have misinterpreted the tone

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-27 Thread ChaoticFluffy
Carol, I know you feel aggrieved in this situation, but I would ask you to please consider stepping away from this conversation. This conversation is making the list look like it's populated not by gendergap closers, but nasty people who enjoy being nasty for the sake of feeling special. And that

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-27 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi all - I've been in a significant academic time crunch for the last several weeks, and Sarah is currently AFK, which is why neither of us have participated in this thread so far. One of us (Sarah, me, or Cindy,) will probably have further comment on this thread in general and may reach out to

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-27 Thread Emily Monroe
Kevin, I would like to thank you for this email. I think you expressed several things I was thinking a lot better than I would have been able to. From, Emily On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - I've been in a significant academic time crunch for

[Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Article_alerts Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. Watch that page (or the relevant page in your language) and comment from time to time

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Thomas Morton
Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. On a fostering friendly atmosphere note; characterising actions as questionable is not very nice. Tom ___ Gendergap

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. On a fostering friendly atmosphere note; characterising actions as questionable is not very nice. Tom

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Thomas Morton
On 26 August 2012 15:16, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. On a fostering friendly atmosphere note;

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
Or that I nominated the B.a.B.e article for those reasons? Let's assume good faith here. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 26 August 2012 15:16, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote:

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Gobonobo
On 08/26/2012 09:20 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 26 August 2012 15:16, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.net mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
Questionable just means one has questions. So it's nice, unlike the other words which I was contrasting with questionable - not using to describe my specific questions on specific articles in that particular AfD list. See:

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Thomas Morton
What I am taking personally is your assertion that we nominated these articles for some anti-female agenda. Which you continue to do by suggesting my characterisation of your argument as ridiculous is due to you being a woman. The irony of then telling me not to take it personally is... Ah,

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Ryan Vesey
: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:38 AM To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts What I am taking

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Carol Moore DC carolmoor...@verizon.netwrote: Questionable just means one has questions. I disagree. I think questionable is a highly charged word that's usually understood to be rhetorical (whether or not it was intended that way). For instance, if I say I

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Laura Hale
] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts What I am taking personally is your assertion that we nominated these articles for some anti-female agenda. Which you continue to do by suggesting my characterisation of your argument as ridiculous is due to you being a woman. The irony

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread ChaoticFluffy
-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Morton *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:38 AM *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts ** ** What I am

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Courtney Thurston
] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Morton *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 11:38 AM *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts ** ** What I am taking personally is your assertion that we nominated these articles for some

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Ryan Vesey
projects Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts Hate to be a pain... but Ryan, your comments and the comments by another male on the list, they make me feel uncomfortable as the tone argument is one historically used to repress women and to silence them. As women

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Laura Hale
Sent from my iPad On 26/08/2012, at 10:18 PM, Courtney Thurston thurs...@gmail.com wrote: I'm with ChaoticFluffy. This thread makes me want to slap one of those This insults women stickers on other women. I would personally be less bothered if it was women criticising women critically

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Emily Monroe
It's probably better to avoid arguments of tone online, even if it's a tone you want to avoid yourself, because it's way too easy to misinterpret without tonal inflection, or other bits of non-verbal body language. You may have misinterpreted the tone you're trying to criticize, or they may have

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.comwrote: I haven't looked at these AfDs Whoops -- correction, I actually did !vote in one of these AfDs (Todd Akin rape and pregnancy controversy), just didn't realize it was one of those being called out. Sorry -- no deception

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Carol Moore DC
On 8/26/2012 5:27 PM, Laura Hale wrote: I would personally be less bothered if it was women criticising women critically and harshly, but when it looks like man after man criticising women and no other female voices in the conversation, that bothers me because of the historical overtones

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

2012-08-26 Thread Heather Walls
Wow. What a ridiculous way to say yes. Ive always found you to be switched on and relevant in the past; but looking over your contributions to those AFDs it feels like your certain the aim is to remove these articles because we are anti-women. And for no other reason. This is the sort of