Hi All
The state of balsheet-pnl for now, imho is feature complete and has nicer
well-documented internal functions. However I'm still stumped by various
equity calculations, unsure how to emulate all combinations of
trading/unrealized/realized gains/losses. JRalls has helpfully created some
Hi David
I refer you to a prior discussion:
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2018-June/077758.html
I appreciate balance-sheet is a formal accounting report. The problem
is, as always, within the details.
Initially I thought we could leave currencies unconverted.
Then Geert
Hi,
I admit that I haven’t been following the details of thsi thread that closely,
but it would seem to me that if a user has selected price source “Latest,” then
the report will of necessity include an Unrealized Gains line in order to
balance, as John said. I agree with his suggestion that
Chris,
That’s because you used price source = “latest” which uses the most recent
price in the pricedb for the purchase as well as the valuation.
Regards,
John Ralls
> On Aug 16, 2018, at 12:58 AM, Christopher Lam
> wrote:
>
> Hi John
>
> Just to be a pain again... I found a small
Hi John
Just to be a pain again... I found a small discrepancy - (This is
different from the previously noted missing-capital-gains situation)
* if trading-accounts are enabled,
* a single 100AAPL purchase @ $100 each dated 01/01/18
* a new increased price $200 on 01/06/18 is recorded,
*
Hi John
Thank you - plenty of material here for test cases.
I note your observation that selling a stock at an increased price, in a
book without trading-accounts, without properly booking the capital-gain to
income leads to an incorrect balance-sheet. This is illus by txn-A and
txn-B below.
So I see. Even though I carefully put them at the end.
Fortunately Chris should have gotten a direct copy without Mailman’s
interference.
Regards,
John Ralls
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:33 AM, Adrien Monteleone
> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Mailman was hungry. It ate your screenshots.
>
> Regards,
John,
Mailman was hungry. It ate your screenshots.
Regards,
Adrien
>
>
> Chris,
>
> To demonstrate the price difference on assets creating an “Unrealized Gain”
> line, I created a fake account with Trading Accounts off and purchased on 1
> January 100 shares of a stock for $100, then
> On Aug 12, 2018, at 10:04 PM, Christopher Lam
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jralls
>
> So just wish to double check my understanding of gnucash's data format for a
> balance-sheet on date X
>
> There are two possibilities for displaying the right-hand-side
>
> Liabilities + Equity + Retained Earnings
Sorry John,
I forgot that GnuCash used the same term for the calculated amount.
Yet another case where my fingers need to slow down and let my brain ponder
things.
Regards,
Adrien
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 9:08 AM, John Ralls wrote:
>
> Adrien,
>
> Yes, that’s formally correct. As I’ve said
Adrien,
Yes, that’s formally correct. As I’ve said repeatedly in this thread, GnuCash
has long had a design feature that one can get a balanced Balance Sheet report
without closing one’s book. The Balance Sheet report does that by summing up
the expense and income accounts’ balances and
Are not Retained Earnings part of Equity? And then, that account would only be
used in a close books process, not without it. Closing the books should zero
the income and expense accounts TO Retained Earnings.
Regards,
Adrien
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:04 AM, Christopher Lam
> wrote:
>
> Hi
Hi Jralls
So just wish to double check my understanding of gnucash's data format
for a balance-sheet on date X
There are two possibilities for displaying the right-hand-side
1. Liabilities + Equity + Retained Earnings + Trading Balances
2. Liabilities + Equity + Retained Earnings +
Chris,
Remember that we’ve long advised users that they need not close their books,
they can run a balance sheet report for any day. IMO removing that capability
would be a major breakage.
I suspect that you needed to use trading accounts because you didn’t book the
trading gains and losses
Hi John
I've managed to make the left-side (activa?) match the right-side (passiva?)
https://screenshots.firefox.com/RNvkjaxnYyxpGkYn/null
1) it does require closing books on the balance-sheet date
2) it does require adding trading-accounts
The existing balsheet introduces/calculates the
> On Aug 9, 2018, at 7:37 AM, Geert Janssens wrote:
>
> For reports on the other hand it's not important what Gtk+ implements as the
> reports are html rendered via webkit (essentially a built-in webbrowser) so
> the W3C css rules matter here..
Can’t believe I didn’t remember that. This
Op donderdag 9 augustus 2018 13:22:09 CEST schreef Adrien Monteleone:
> > On Aug 8, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Christopher Lam
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi devs,
> >
> >
> > Account Balances are either displayed indented (same as account-depth,
> > with a few exceptions) or single-column. I'd rather not do
> On Aug 8, 2018, at 10:02 PM, Christopher Lam
> wrote:
>
> Hi devs,
>
>
> Account Balances are either displayed indented (same as account-depth, with a
> few exceptions) or single-column. I'd rather not do indenting in CSS because
> I can't figure out CSS. The CSS style would be “:n
Hi devs,
On 09/08/18 08:32, John Ralls wrote:
On Aug 8, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Geert Janssens wrote:
I haven't been following every detail of this. However I note on most balance
sheets the total assets doesn't match total net worth (or liabilities/equity).
In most, this is fixed by including the
> On Aug 8, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Geert Janssens wrote:
>
> I haven't been following every detail of this. However I note on most balance
> sheets the total assets doesn't match total net worth (or
> liabilities/equity).
> In most, this is fixed by including the retained earnings.
>
> I
I haven't been following every detail of this. However I note on most balance
sheets the total assets doesn't match total net worth (or liabilities/equity).
In most, this is fixed by including the retained earnings.
I believe at least in most European countries the "left hand side" (Assets,
Hi Frank,
I would think if the multiple categories of accounts are desired, they
should be designed in the Chart of Accounts rather than the balance
sheet. At least this is what I'd design my book as, rather than trying
to code various formulas in scheme.
I've rendered the same test book
Hi Adrien,
Am 31.07.2018 um 02:27 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
> Frank,
>
> I’ve been following this for a while, and perhaps I’m not understanding, but
> are the groupings just presentational?
Usually the sums of this groups are economic indicators, e.g. if
current assets < current liabilities
> On Aug 7, 2018, at 5:00 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger
> wrote:
>
>
>
> No, the grouping should be part of the account template - at least in
> the current state. At some point in the future one could think about
> additional account attributes to improve reporting...
>
I think this is only a
Am 06.08.2018 um 14:40 schrieb Christopher Lam:
>
> (*: we all know Gnucash has evolved through generations rather than a
> grand design )
... because there is no all-purpose, all-country grand design.
> 1) Frank et al requests some analysis of accounts for grouping into
> Short/Long, etc. I
Hi All
Thank you for feedback - I *do* take all feedback into account, even if
I don't always agree with them-- and this is from my understanding of
Gnucash evolution(*) rather from any expert knowledge of accounting.
(*: we all know Gnucash has evolved through generations rather than a
Op dinsdag 31 juli 2018 03:04:25 CEST schreef Adrien Monteleone:
> I see too that some child amounts show in two currencies but not others.
> (looks like just the GBP accounts) Is this intended or just an illustration
> (or an omission)?
I think this is to illustrate how the report would look if
Op vrijdag 27 juli 2018 15:01:17 CEST schreef Christopher Lam:
> Latest iteration of balsheet
>
> * restored amount-indenting. IMHO this is now producing sane indenting
> for any subtotal strategy
For a completely different idea: is indenting something that could be handled
with a css
Chris,
Here are my impressions and questions, perhaps I’m not understanding what you
were trying to show with the screenshot. (does this contain illustrations of
multiple presentation possibilities all-in-one or is this intended as how the
report will look by default?)
The asset summary at
Frank,
I’ve been following this for a while, and perhaps I’m not understanding, but
are the groupings just presentational?
If that’s the case, I would think the place to address this is in the report
options, not the account structure. (you could use any structure you need, and
easily
Latest iteration of balsheet
* restored amount-indenting. IMHO this is now producing sane indenting
for any subtotal strategy
* restore dual columns (i.e. left=asset/income, right=liability/expense)
* the above two only enabled when multicols are disabled
* option to toggle amount/account
Am 19.07.2018 um 13:09 schrieb Christopher Lam:
> Hi Frank
> Thank you - I can restore the dual-columns when the periods have been
> disabled.
> I'd prefer to limit the number of options; so, if the "period duration" is
> disabled, the report will automatically show dual columns
while intl. IFRS
Hi Frank
Thank you - I can restore the dual-columns when the periods have been
disabled.
I'd prefer to limit the number of options; so, if the "period duration" is
disabled, the report will automatically show dual columns
(Asset/Income=left, Liability+Equity/Expense = right). This works?
Can you
Hi Chris,
Am 18.07.2018 um 15:13 schrieb Christopher Lam:
> The state of balsheet-pnl.scm, is as follows:
>
> I think it is stable and featureful enough to be a replacement, but
> there are no tests yet to validate a transition. This may happen over
> the next few months.
>
> It incorporates
The state of balsheet-pnl.scm, is as follows:
I think it is stable and featureful enough to be a replacement, but
there are no tests yet to validate a transition. This may happen over
the next few months.
It incorporates all balance-sheet.scm and income-statement.scm
functionality with the
Still at
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/christopherlam/gnucash/maint-balsheet-pnl/gnucash/report/standard-reports/balsheet-pnl.scm
Latest - removed accountname formatting in recursive-bal. Now they are
styled normally but the amounts are bold/bigger if they contain
children-amounts.
Oops https://screenshots.firefox.com/pttTjFEtYTJLXzam/null
Sorry for spam, fixed screenshot
On 04/07/18 21:20, Christopher Lam wrote:
Forgot to include a screenshot to illustrate
https://screenshots.firefox.com/Z7HOv5pb2qbRc5NP/null
- recursive balance vs. multilevel (and saner alignment
Forgot to include a screenshot to illustrate
https://screenshots.firefox.com/Z7HOv5pb2qbRc5NP/null
- recursive balance vs. multilevel (and saner alignment of numbers)
- common-currency vs. original currency (notice better handling of
missing USD/GBP prices than balance-sheet.scm)
- for this
I've restored multilevel-subtotals... using an easier tack than
previously: instead of keeping lists(1 per account-depth) of lists (1
per column) of collectors, it'll just climb up the hierarchy and print
parent acc's balance+children until the next account-depth is reached.
Please help beta
Broadly yes, one approach is that parent accounts always show totals for
themselves+children, the other approach is the totals appear after each
parent+children.
Same information presented in 2 different ways.
The difference is that the recursive subtotals are easier When reaching
an
Op dinsdag 3 juli 2018 02:57:50 CEST schreef Christopher Lam:
> Hi Stephen, Dave
>
> Thank you -
>
> Dave - the changes are merely cosmetic therefore easy.
>
> It sounds there are still 2 desired presentational types - (1) Dave's
> approach = *recursive-bal* - 'parent' accounts generally
Hi Stephen, Dave
Thank you -
Dave - the changes are merely cosmetic therefore easy.
It sounds there are still 2 desired presentational types - (1) Dave's
approach = *recursive-bal* - 'parent' accounts generally collect their
children account amounts; if they also have their own amount, the
Chris,
I have the multicolumn report up and running in V3.2. In addition to adding
your file I also had to incorporate it in the CMakeLists.txt in
~/gnucash/report/standard-reports to have it available from the menu.
Initially I will just comment on the presentation, as I don't have a
testfile
Chris,
OK, I think that’s a good choice.
As a general design principle I’d like to see the reports use QofQuery as much
as possible--and extend QofQuery as necessary--because that makes it easier to
reimplement as database queries.
Regards,
John Ralls
> On Jun 24, 2018, at 2:50 AM,
Seeking beta testers. This will not be in v3.2.
https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/tree/maint-balsheet-pnl
Or, anyone with a relatively recent maint can copy the file directly
into the build's standard-reports folder:
I think I'll forego a noclosing_balance upgrade in C.
According to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=570042 the
"Closing Entries" transactions did not always receive a special
KVP-based flag until the commit on
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/commit/4b2800145 on datafiles
Hi John, the split->noclosing_balance is updated in
xaccAccountRecomputeBalance. Will continue copypasta coding until it works!
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018, 23:56 John Ralls wrote:
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Christopher Lam
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I'm working through
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Christopher Lam
> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I'm working through balance-sheet.scm and overhauling this report.
>
> At the same time, I can see that balance-sheet.scm and income-statement.scm
> can be merged together.
>
> After all
>
> * balance sheet =
Hi All
I'm working through balance-sheet.scm and overhauling this report.
At the same time, I can see that balance-sheet.scm and
income-statement.scm can be merged together.
After all
* balance sheet = asset/liability/equity balance at date X,
* income statement = difference in
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