Hi Arie,
(Disclosure: I work for Openmoko)
Many people have purchased from Koolu with fine results. We also have
vendors in Europe which might be closer for you.
You are welcome to join the Openmoko community mailing list where you
can ask these questions. We have many Israeli participants.
Hi,
The phone (Israeli - suitable 900MHz model) is not available from the
primary site, but can be bought from koolu.com website (albeit with
different distribution in firmware).
http://shop.koolu.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=5products_id=6
The site is official reseller of
(Sorry Shachar, sent it to you in private by mistake)
2008/7/6 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
From memory, so please verify, but as far as I remember, the Neo is
tri-band, working with 900 and 1800MHz, with some models carrying the
1900MHz as a third band and others the 850MHz. Orange uses
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 03:59:42PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
GSM
* Quad-band (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
So I wonder why OpenMoko couldn't do this. Cost?
Actually the phone is really just 2 band, the 800/900 and 1800/1900 mHz
bands are close enough for modern technology to be the same.
2008/7/10 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be
exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval.
It is very relevant to this list, and I've wondered the same thing
myself. Radio transmitters
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/7/10 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be
exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval.
It is very relevant to this list, and I've wondered the same thing
myself.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 03:42:28PM +0300, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
AFAIK, actual RF communication is done on a separate chip which runs a
propritery firmware. It is governed by a small user space daemon on the
main Linux running chip and it is NOT open source, but is the only
component
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Amos Shapira wrote:
(Sorry Shachar, sent it to you in private by mistake)
2008/7/6 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
From memory, so please verify, but as far as I remember, the Neo is
tri-band, working with 900 and 1800MHz, with some models carrying the
1900MHz as a
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be
exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval.
Geoff.
I can answer that. I hinted at it in my previous email.
The guideline we followed
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/7/10 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be
exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval.
It is very relevant to this
2008/7/10 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
An interesting (to me) discussion, probably not for this list, would be
exactly how open a cell phone could be and still get regulatory approval.
Geoff.
I can answer that. I hinted at it in my previous email.
The guideline we followed was RMS's
Finally they put clarification on the on-line shop:
http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner
Sold Out?
900Mhz variant stock is due on on july 15th
--
Arie
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 20:02, michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Wow! Thanks for the great information. Mind if I quote
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml
Moish
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2008/7/7 Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The idea persisted, for example it was illegal to bring an Israeli cell
phone into Egypt until a few years ago. I have no idea what they did
if there was one built into your car and you drove there.
Thanks for the historic overview. Very
Is the difference between the 850 and 900 models hardware (ie,
different anteneas) or software (programmed to use different
frequencies)? Can one be converted to the other?
Dotan Cohen
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Arie Skliarouk wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 23:54, michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Disclosure: I work for Openmoko
On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band
version is sold out with only 850MHz version available.
..
If
Wow! Thanks for the great information. Mind if I quote this on my blog (with
proper credit)? This is good reference material.
Michael
KA6RCQ
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:54:15PM -0700, michael shiloh wrote:
The Neo Freerunner is tri-band
Arie Skliarouk wrote:
Hi,
On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band
version is sold out with only 850MHz version available.
Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz band, with
few areas where Cellcom provides 850MHz coverage.
Thus, 850MHz
Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Arie Skliarouk wrote:
Hi,
On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz
band version is sold out with only 850MHz version available.
Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz band, with
few areas where Cellcom provides 850MHz
Who is selling?
- yba
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:15:12 +0300
From: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Arie Skliarouk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: IGLU Mailing list linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning
Shachar Shemesh wrote
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 09:45:10AM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote:
Hi,
On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band
version is sold out with only 850MHz version available.
Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz band, with few
areas where Cellcom
Disclosure: I work for Openmoko
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Arie Skliarouk wrote:
Hi,
On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band
version is sold out with only 850MHz version available.
Someone told me that Orange and Cellcom mainly use 900MHz
2008/7/7 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The Neo Freerunner is tri-band available in two versions:
The so-called 850 MHz version supports 850MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz
The so-called 900 MHz version supports 900MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz
As you can see, both version support
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Amos Shapira wrote:
2008/7/7 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The Neo Freerunner is tri-band available in two versions:
The so-called 850 MHz version supports 850MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz
The so-called 900 MHz version supports 900MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 23:54, michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Disclosure: I work for Openmoko
On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band
version is sold out with only 850MHz version available.
..
If Orange uses 900 MHz as Shachar says, you should
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:54:15PM -0700, michael shiloh wrote:
The Neo Freerunner is tri-band available in two versions:
The so-called 850 MHz version supports 850MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz
The so-called 900 MHz version supports 900MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz
As you can see, both
Hi,
What's wrong with RTL support in GTK?
OpenMoko will be shipped with Qt
http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-update/
I applaud OpenMoko decision to do whatever can be done to speed up
production and increase number of units to be sold for non-developers.
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 08:50:56AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK? Besides the fact that it
i the pet project of an openmoko dev, what real advantages does ETK
have?
That may be enough. The whole point ofthe company is to SELL their
product. If, in
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What's wrong with RTL support in GTK?
Nothing. Read this thread again. It's ETK that has no BiDi support.
Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK?
I don't know. Like I said, the decision process was opaque,
michael shiloh wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Ira Abramov wrote:
haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply
from OpenMoko would be we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI
with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own
2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What's wrong with RTL support in GTK?
Nothing. Read this thread again. It's ETK that has no BiDi support.
Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK? Besides the fact that it
i the pet project of an openmoko dev, what real advantages does ETK
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
I also asked Michael, and never received an answer, if the unit will
support some sort of DRM, even if only a unique serial number. While in
general I am not a fan of DRM, there are some applications where it has
merit [1] and there is a
In the interest of full disclosure, I should let you all know that I work for
Openmoko. Also, as an Israeli living in the USA I have a strong personal
interest in helping Israeli developers get access to Openmoko as much as I
can.
Doron and I have talked and continue to be in contact and I (and
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding
the
state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages.
Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If
Openmoko intends to be open in the sense
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding
the
state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages.
Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If
Openmoko
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding
the
state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages.
Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding
the
state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages.
Hebrew is not the only RTL language,
I will ask on the Openmoko list about their current thoughts on Qt
support. Tell me, though, what openmoko products are even available at
the moment? The Neo 1973 seems to be out of production, and the
Freerunner is not yet available.
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Mon, 02 Jun:
everyone, then I would expect that support for LTR, RTL, TTB, and
other methods of writing should be a core part of the UI, not tacked
on later.
haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply
from OpenMoko would be we
Chiming in the discussion, my 7 agorot (2 cents) are as follows.
The mindset of the Openmoko developers seems to me to be
anti-accessibility.
It stands to reason that they'll turn down requests to provide for
accessibility to people with disabilities. The devices are probably
inherently
Ira Abramov wrote:
haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply
from OpenMoko would be we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI
with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own
hacking.
No, it was not. It was ETK is better suited to our needs,
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Ira Abramov wrote:
haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply
from OpenMoko would be we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI
with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own
hacking.
No, it was
2008/6/1 Doron [Ofek BIZ] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
As I promised to Shachar after the process if someone want to buy the device
- I will help , as far as I can.
In the next few months the Neo Freerunner, a consumer-ready device,
should be brought to market. I would be interested in purchasing the
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote:
MOD (ministry of deface )
Now that is a Freudian slip if there ever was one... :-)
A Freudian slip is when you mean one thing, but say your mother.
Shachar
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Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote:
Hi Gilad , Shachar ... all
There will be 2 types of tracks ( I hope so) :
1 - for regular costumers
2 - for Linux and Open Source users
For the second type , the price will be without any profit (so
basically I don't think that business people should learn
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
My advice: don't. There's a reason why they call it the FreeRunner and
not the FreeLoader... we keep saying FOSS si about freedom and not
free beer. It's about time we act like it too.
I'm with Gilad on this.
The community at large has more to gain by someone who
Erez D wrote:
If you sell it with a profit, then you need to give support, gurentee,
etc ... and this is a big headache.
please first see how you make a profit before you start. (see that you
get more then you invest, including money, your TIME, etc...)
however if you want just to buy a
Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote:
MOD (ministry of deface )
Now that is a Freudian slip if there ever was one... :-)
Anyway, I want one two.
Doron, it looks like you already have a first batch of customers for the
first shipment... :-)
Gilad
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On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
My advice: don't. There's a reason why they call it the FreeRunner and not
the FreeLoader... we keep saying FOSS si about freedom and not free beer.
It's about time we act like it too.
I'm
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Erez D wrote:
If you sell it with a profit, then you need to give support, gurentee, etc
... and this is a big headache.
please first see how you make a profit before you start. (see that you get
more then you
Quoting Gilad Ben-Yossef, from the post of Sun, 01 Jun:
however if you want just to buy a quantity together, just to reduce
cost, or even just to help friends, then i do not see a problem of
having no profit ...
He has to pay for MoC tests out of his pocket, not to mention running
Hi Gilad , Shachar ... all
There will be 2 types of tracks ( I hope so) :
1 - for regular costumers
2 - for Linux and Open Source users
For the second type , the price will be without any profit (so basically
I don't think that business people should learn from me).
:-)
I already
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli Openmoko Freerunner group sale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Join the revolution :)
If the device has full Hebrew support, then I am very
The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support.
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli Openmoko Freerunner group sale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Join the
2008/5/31 Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support.
Language support is in the UI, not in the Linux kernel. However, I see
that there is a Hebrew translation team, so I will try to contact them
tomorrow and ask how far along the project is. I can
Have you checked the prices to pay IRS? From experience, my brother
bought a smart phone and he had to pay meches. Also it needed
approval of misrad hatikshoret. IRS asked quite a lot for it.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The device runs Linux, and thus
2008/5/31 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Have you checked the prices to pay IRS? From experience, my brother
bought a smart phone and he had to pay meches. Also it needed
approval of misrad hatikshoret. IRS asked quite a lot for it.
At the price of US$369, then add 17% and convert to shekelim:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/5/31 Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support.
Language support is in the UI, not in the Linux kernel. However, I see
that there is a Hebrew translation team, so I will try to contact them
tomorrow and ask how
Should is entry #4086 on page 139 of the Book Of Famous Last Words.
M
On May 31, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Lior Kaplan wrote:
The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support.
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The Openmoko software can run on an emulator, so we can potentially test
and/or fix its Hebrew support even before we get the devices.
Excellent, lets get started. I don't think that it's a good idea to
get super-organized as I want this to remain a
Dotan Cohen wrote:
If the device has full Hebrew support, then I am very interested.
The device will NOT have full Hebrew support. The os ships with three
toolkits - QT, GTK and ETK. The first two have full Hebrew support
(i18n), but the core services the device has (i.e. - displaying
Dan Aloni wrote:
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli Openmoko Freerunner group sale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Join the revolution :)
Sorry, I'm going to be doing some serious raining on the parade here.
First rain email:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/5/31 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Have you checked the prices to pay IRS? From experience, my brother
bought a smart phone and he had to pay meches. Also it needed
approval of misrad hatikshoret. IRS asked quite a lot for it.
At the price of US$369, then add
Hi Shachar,
I may get around to adding Hebrew support, if and when I get my hands on a
device.
Might I mention a preference for Qt? I plan on learning Qt for some
KDE development, and if I can run it on the phone too that would be
great.
why 17%? where does that number come from?
I
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hi Shachar,
I may get around to adding Hebrew support, if and when I get my hands on a
device.
Might I mention a preference for Qt? I plan on learning Qt for some
KDE development, and if I can run it on the phone too that would be
great.
You can write your own
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:49:33PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Can a group of people do a personal import of more than four units?
Who would I contact about that? This most certainly is not a business.
No, a group of people is not a person. What you can do is to have
the company sell them to a
Best option is to ask someone to bring it in his luggage.
Also, try to ask misrad Hatikshoret if it's approved. They don't
allow every model. I know my brother had to get approval from them,
and only after that he released it from customs. Paid customs as well.
And he only bought 1 smart phone.
He all,
( just landed from pairs, so it will be short )
1. I started the process with MOC (ministry of communication) and MOD
(ministry of deface ) (they also should approve the device)
2. according to the Israeli law and regulations - there is no
possibility to import pack of 10 devices -
Did it work in Israel? What carrier? I would like to get a GTA02 when it is
out next month, but I would like to make sure that it works with Orange.
See:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973
Regards,
Dov
On 7/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have the phone in my hand. It's
Hi Dov,
My GTA01 did not work anywhere, so no, not Israel either, but that wasn't due
to a problem with Orange.
I'm visiting Israel mid-November, hopefully by then I'll have a GTA02 and I
can test it with Orange.
Michael
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
Did it work in Israel? What
On 09/07/07, Constantine Shulyupin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OpenMoko is out!
Who is interesting to buy it?
http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/07/07/09/0049249.shtml
http://www.openmoko.com/
I'd buy one if it had Hebrew support. Price not important.
Dotan Cohen
How do you define Hebrew support? Perhaps we should prepare a checklist
and examine the status. Here is a partial list:
1. Support for reading Hebrew. This is probably taken care of because of
Gtk's unicode support.
2. Localization of interface. List of applications?
3. Hebrew keyboard input.
4.
On 02/09/07, Dov Grobgeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you define Hebrew support? Perhaps we should prepare a checklist
and examine the status. Here is a partial list:
1. Support for reading Hebrew. This is probably taken care of because of
Gtk's unicode support.
This is a level one must.
All these issues should be pretty straightforward to check by running the
virtual image... We'll see if I'll get around to it. Unless someone beats me
to it.
Regards,
Dov
On 9/2/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 02/09/07, Dov Grobgeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you define
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Constantine Shulyupin wrote:
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:09:15 +0300
From: Constantine Shulyupin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: OpenMoko
OpenMoko is out!
Who is interesting to buy it?
Good question.
- yba
Constantine Shulyupin wrote:
OpenMoko is out!
Who is interesting to buy it?
Would it be supported in Israel cellular providers? AFAIK it is GSM
based phone.
http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/07/07/09/0049249.shtml
http://www.openmoko.com/
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Would it be supported in Israel cellular providers? AFAIK it is GSM based phone.
I would know for sure on next monday, when I will have access to the phone.
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I have the phone in my hand. It's GSM. In fact, I showed it to some of you in
Jerusalem in March. Lior? Others?
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Arieh Skliarouk wrote:
Would it be supported in Israel cellular providers? AFAIK it is GSM based
phone.
I would know for sure on next monday, when I will
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