date:20031005

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 5:13 am, Aaron West wrote:

 I'm new to this list and wanted to ask a few questions.
 I'm planning on trashing my Windows2000 machine in favor of a dual
 boot Windows2000 / Mandrake 9.1 system.  My idea is to have the
 Linux box become my main desktop system. The
 current hard drive I use with Windows is a bit small at
 15GB.  I am in the market for a higher capacity drive -
 anything from 80GB up - and wanted to get some advice before
 I buy anything. Are there any drives I should stay away from
 or is just getting any IDE drive (like a Maxtor DiamondMax
 Plus 7200rpm IDE) going to work.  I'd like to get the new
 hard drive in, install 9.1 on it, and then hook up my
 current 15GB drive as a slave for possibly holding all my
 music data.

Hi, Aaron.  The Maxtor drive is the one I installed a couple of months 
ago, so yes, it's fine.  There won't be any problem in using the 
second drive for your music data - just don't have it ntfs.  If you 
want to make it available to both systems, use Mandrake Control 
Centre to make it vfat - both Mandrake and windows will read and 
write.

 This sound fine?  Also, is there a list of supported
 peripherals for 9.1 anywhere?  

There is no definitive list.  You will find a lot of information on 
our TWiki pages 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/HardwareCompatibility

Other links that will help you can be found on 
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewbieFriendly

One tip when using the TWiki site.  If you can't spot what you want in 
the Index page (link on the blue bar), use the Quick Search on the 
right-hand side below the side-panel entries.  That does a complete 
text search to find likely entries for you, whereas the Go panel at 
the top needs you to know the TWikiWord for the required entry.

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Re: [newbie] New to the list

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 5:47 am, Greg Meyer wrote:

 Anything but Western Digital.  Well documented problems with
 shortcuts for crc error checking.  The problems don't show up in
 Windows, but Linux can stress the drive more causing the problems
 to come out.  Lot's of people, including me, have run Linux on a WD
 drive without problem, but if you are buying new, I'd steer clear
 and go to Maxtor or Seagate.

If the existing drive is WD, don't panic.  I understand that more 
modern WD drives don't have the problem, and while I wouldn't buy 
one, just in case, I would happily try out an existing one.  Back up 
any existing data before you start, and you should have no problem.

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[newbie] Using the TWiki

It has been pointed out that using the TWiki is very different from 
using web pages, php, etc., and requires a very different approach.  
In view of this, here are a few pointers.  Forgive me if they are too 
obvious, but I'm just aiming at getting people started.

How to find an entry?  Two possible approaches:

1.  Using the index link on the blue bar will give you an overview of 
the organisation.  However, it doesn't give you any idea of the sort 
of entry you will find there.  For instance, you can't immediately 
tell that HardwareCompatibility is just that - a list of our 
experiences compatibility-wise - whereas HardwareIssues is intended 
to address particular configuration problems and workarounds.

2.  By searching.  The Go on the top bar will only help you if you 
know the exact name of the entry.  Otherwise, use Quick Search 
(bottom right), which will give you a list of entries that refer to 
your specific search words.

How to make an entry?  You would be well to read and maybe print out 
the entry ConTributing.  Here you will find details of how to add an 
entry to a page, how and where to create a new page, and the main 
commands you need for formatting.

None of it is difficult - there's very little to learn, it's just that 
it is 'different'.  HTH

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Re: [newbie] [Fwd: Patenting of Software Code]

2003-10-05 Thread Margot

John Richard Smith wrote:
Carroll Grigsby wrote:

On Saturday 04 October 2003 08:33 am, John Richard Smith wrote:

 

whack
  


 

Incidentally, I just know at some stage we are going to have the
arguement for patenting code thrown at us because they will say the
Americans allow it.  Is that really true, or is that just throwing sand
in the works ?
  


John:
Several years ago, the esteemed United States Patent Office issued a 
patent to a 7 year old for swinging side-to-side on a child's swing 
(as opposed to the normal back-and-forth mode). When I told Will about 
it (Will is my 3 year old grandson), he wanted to file two separate 
patents: Swinging cattywampus, and swinging in circles. Both 
applications would include (1) standard flat board on two rope swings, 
(2) sling from two rope swings, and (3) tire from a single rope swings.

-- cmg

 

A truely crazy state of affairs. If this is the current state of affairs 
in regard to the patent law industry then it would seem the problem is 
more than an EU law making affair and some kind of international 
decision making forum needs to be got to work on it to straighten out 
the purpose of patenting at all.

John

Call for Kofi!

Mine's a large espresso ;-)

Margot


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[newbie] SCP software

2003-10-05 Thread Ronan O'Hart


Hi there

Can anyone recomend a SCP program simular to WinSCP please.

Thanks
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[newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

First please don't shoot me for posting this in more than one list.

I am seeing more and more post like this on newbie.

My patience with newbie is wearing somewhat thin too.  I find myself
frequently just marking all messages as read without reading them
because so many are OT of just personal conversations.

AND


I'm sorry, but there is a limit as to how long any of us can tolerate
deliberate bad manners.  You have wasted our time and bandwidth with
arguing something that should have been simply accepted as a requirement
of this list - a voluntary mutual help list.

I know I am as guilty as anyone.

 ?Maybe we on the OT list should  make an effort to not chase off so
many folks that do not agree with our political views?


or maybe just asking Haywire to return on his better behavior, or
replying to Stephens Kuhn's and Haywire's posts here, and only with a
note that teh reply is over here to save bandwidth? 

I also have previously invited some other friends, that are in Spain,
that were pretty helpful for the couple of weeks they could stand the
newbie list, but they too were run off by the bandwidth waste (or signal
to noise ratio) on Newbie. But you don't really hear about how many left
because they could not deal with the volume. (kinda like how unhappy
customers are less likely to complain than just go shop somewhere else) 

So any suggestions? 



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Re: [newbie] SCP software

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:37 pm, Ronan O'Hart wrote:
 Hi there

 Can anyone recomend a SCP program simular to WinSCP please.

 Thanks

It's likely that none of us know SCP.  What is it?

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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:51 pm, ed tharp wrote:
 So any suggestions?

Only that I would add that there has been more than one post on the 
expert list lately, saying that people on the newbie list are so busy 
with their OTs and political arguments that they do not reply to 
ordinary requests for help.  Yes, people do leave for this reason.

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Re: [newbie] SCP software

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 07:59, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:37 pm, Ronan O'Hart wrote:
  Hi there
 
  Can anyone recomend a SCP program simular to WinSCP please.
 
  Thanks
 
 It's likely that none of us know SCP.  What is it?
 
 Anne
scp is secure copy and the winscp is the copy 
from 'man scp'


scp copies files between hosts on a network.  It uses ssh(1) for data
 transfer, and uses the same authentication and provides the same
security
 as ssh(1).  Unlike rcp(1), scp will ask for passwords or
passphrases if
 they are needed for authentication.

 Any file name may contain a host and user specification to indicate
that
 the file is to be copied to/from that host.  Copies between two
remote
 hosts are permitted.

END of copy
and 'man scp' can be your friend 






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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 07:51, ed tharp wrote:
 First please don't shoot me for posting this in more than one list.
 
 I am seeing more and more post like this on newbie.
 
 My patience with newbie is wearing somewhat thin too.  I find myself
 frequently just marking all messages as read without reading them
 because so many are OT of just personal conversations.
 
 AND
 
 
 I'm sorry, but there is a limit as to how long any of us can tolerate
 deliberate bad manners.  You have wasted our time and bandwidth with
 arguing something that should have been simply accepted as a requirement
 of this list - a voluntary mutual help list.
 
 I know I am as guilty as anyone.
 
  ?Maybe we on the OT list should  make an effort to not chase off so
 many folks that do not agree with our political views?
 
 
 or maybe just asking Haywire to return on his better behavior, or
 replying to Stephens Kuhn's and Haywire's posts here, and only with a
 note that teh reply is over here to save bandwidth? 


that 'here' is referring to the OT list at; mdw1982.dyndns.org

List-Subscribe: http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
List-Archive: http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/pipermail/mandrakeot/
 
 
 I also have previously invited some other friends, that are in Spain,
 that were pretty helpful for the couple of weeks they could stand the
 newbie list, but they too were run off by the bandwidth waste (or signal
 to noise ratio) on Newbie. But you don't really hear about how many left
 because they could not deal with the volume. (kinda like how unhappy
 customers are less likely to complain than just go shop somewhere else) 
 
 So any suggestions? 
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Re: [newbie] SCP software

2003-10-05 Thread Franki

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:37 pm, Ronan O'Hart wrote:
 

Hi there

Can anyone recomend a SCP program simular to WinSCP please.

Thanks
   

It's likely that none of us know SCP.  What is it?

Anne
 

SCP is secure copy, its part of ssh and it enables the copy of files 
over an ssh connection, similiar to sftp.

I don't know if this Ronan means windows SCP or linux SCP, but since 
WinSCP is a windows app, I'll answer both.

The only free scp/ssh/sftp apps I know of for windows are:

Windows:
Putty. (command line)
Terra Term Pro, (with the ttssh.exe plugin) is a telnet style ssh 
connection.
iXplorer, a delpi GUI frontend to putty. (looks like an FTP client.)
WinSCP. (looks like an FTP client.)

Liux
GFTP
(There are others, but I don't use the GUI much, so can't comment much 
here.)

rgds

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Re: [newbie] SCP software

2003-10-05 Thread RichardA

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:37:18 +0100, Ronan O'Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Can anyone recomend a SCP program simular to WinSCP please.

You mean secure copy? It's part of ssh (secure shell). Install that, and
you can scp at the comand line

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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

and as a note,,, this discussion will continue on the OT list.
A good suggestion was already posted by Sir Robin, and I thought it was
worth repeating, (and since I was already going to post that this tread
should be continued over there) ;
  
I saw a documentary which included footage of research done on 
couples' arguments.  The couples who were classed as having stable
relationships with a good chance of long-term success argued quite a
lot, but in there arguments there was a ratio of around five positive
comments to one negative one.  So if we want to make a list a more
pleasant place to be, we should remember to post when we agree as well
as when we disagree, especially if the other person is in the other
political camp.

but lets keep a lot of the I agree or me too to the OT list too.


Thanks

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Re: [newbie] SCP software

2003-10-05 Thread Derek Jennings

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 1:37 pm, RichardA wrote:
 On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:37:18 +0100, Ronan O'Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  Can anyone recomend a SCP program simular to WinSCP please.

 You mean secure copy? It's part of ssh (secure shell). Install that, and
 you can scp at the comand line

 Richard

Not only is secure copy available on the command line, but it is also built 
into konqueror.

Simply enter fish://[EMAIL PROTECTED] into konqueror file manager.

Also you can use gFTP to access ssh hosts.

derek

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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

2003-10-05 Thread robin

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:51 pm, ed tharp wrote:

So any suggestions?

Only that I would add that there has been more than one post on the
expert list lately, saying that people on the newbie list are so busy
with their OTs and political arguments that they do not reply to
ordinary requests for help. Yes, people do leave for this reason.

I've seen this problem on almost every technical/specialist list I've
been subscribed to, from linux to linguistics. The reason for OT blooms
is that replying to an OT thread requires no special knowledge, so the
average user is more likely to respond to an OT thread than one on, say,
ipchains.

Some OT threads still have a place on this list because they are of
interest to list members - the software patent thread is a good example
(at least the start of it was). As soon as these threads stray into
general politics or personal chat, though, it's time to take them over
to the OT list. That's _why_ we have an OT list:

http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot

Sir Robin

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Re: [newbie] New to the list

2003-10-05 Thread Greg Meyer

On Sunday 05 October 2003 05:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 5:47 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
 
  Anything but Western Digital.  Well documented problems with
  shortcuts for crc error checking.  The problems don't show up in
  Windows, but Linux can stress the drive more causing the problems
  to come out.  Lot's of people, including me, have run Linux on a WD
  drive without problem, but if you are buying new, I'd steer clear
  and go to Maxtor or Seagate.
 
 If the existing drive is WD, don't panic.  I understand that more 
 modern WD drives don't have the problem, and while I wouldn't buy 
 one, just in case, I would happily try out an existing one.  Back up 
 any existing data before you start, and you should have no problem.
 
Thanks for clarifying Anne.  You much more eloquently said what I meant.

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Re: [newbie] New to the list

On Sunday October 5 2003 04:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 If the existing drive is WD, don't panic.  I understand that more
 modern WD drives don't have the problem, and while I wouldn't buy
 one, just in case, I would happily try out an existing one.  Back
 up any existing data before you start, and you should have no
 problem.

 Anne

   It's the new drives that do have the CRC checking shortcuts. 
Prior to August 1998, WD's did proper CRC checks, were some of the 
best drives.
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[newbie] Registered Linux User No.293302

2003-10-05 Thread M J Pipkin

Please do not send me any more newbie spam.  As a registered user, Anne
Wilson, perhaps you would be so kind as to ensure my privacy is not further
invaded with unwanted Mandrake Newbie mail.

I would appreciate some professionalism in your honouring an individual's
right to be excluded from receiving unwanted mail (spam).

- Original Message -
From: Anne Wilson 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]

 On Friday 03 Oct 2003 9:15 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
  On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:24:32 +0100
  Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Snark!

   I doubt if they will affect the list archives - although mine
   were diverted by mozilla filter into my newbie list folder, I
   think that was because they had [newbie] as part of the subject
   line - the messages were addressed to my email address, not to
   the list.

   Margot

  sylpheed has an option in its filters DO NOT RECEIVE from server
  essentially...won't even d/l the thing.

 One possible problem there is if you use a spam filtering proxy.
 Since sylpheed would be pulling from the proxy, the spam would remain
 there, and would build up.

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Re: [newbie] SCP software

2003-10-05 Thread Ronan O'Hart

Thanks everyone
Got what I need

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Re: [newbie] New to the list

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 2:05 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
 On Sunday 05 October 2003 05:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 5:47 am, Greg Meyer wrote:
   Anything but Western Digital.  Well documented problems with
   shortcuts for crc error checking.  The problems don't show up
   in Windows, but Linux can stress the drive more causing the
   problems to come out.  Lot's of people, including me, have run
   Linux on a WD drive without problem, but if you are buying new,
   I'd steer clear and go to Maxtor or Seagate.
 
  If the existing drive is WD, don't panic.  I understand that more
  modern WD drives don't have the problem, and while I wouldn't buy
  one, just in case, I would happily try out an existing one.  Back
  up any existing data before you start, and you should have no
  problem.

 Thanks for clarifying Anne.  You much more eloquently said what I
 meant.

Greg, looking again, I don't think it needed clarifying g.  Sorry - 
I was just trying to avoid that panic feeling that you get when 
you're a total newbie.

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Re: [newbie] New to the list

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 2:16 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Sunday October 5 2003 04:24 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  If the existing drive is WD, don't panic.  I understand that more
  modern WD drives don't have the problem, and while I wouldn't buy
  one, just in case, I would happily try out an existing one.  Back
  up any existing data before you start, and you should have no
  problem.
 
  Anne

It's the new drives that do have the CRC checking shortcuts.
 Prior to August 1998, WD's did proper CRC checks, were some of the
 best drives.

Now you've really confused me, Tom.  I posted Civileme explanation to 
another list and they said that it was old hat - no longer a problem.  
I guess the answer is if you've got one try it, if you haven't, steer 
clear, to be safe.

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Re: [newbie] Formatting Tool

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 4:00 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
  only have to use it 1 or 2 times a day for just a few minutes to
  generate

 UPS

  shipping labels and other shipping paperwork.
Bottom line right now windoze is fubared I need to reformat the
  windoze partision and only the windoze partision and then do a
  fresh windoze installation and leave my Linux partision
  untouched.
Will the tools on a windoze boot disk format and fdisk allow me
  to do this

 ?

  or do I need to get some other partitioning , formating software?
I do realize that I will probably have to repair the MBR after

 reinstalling

  windoze but that is no problem.

 Since you are using win98, you should look into win4lin so you
 don't have to reboot all the time.

Absolutely true.  During install you reboot windows as normal, but 
your linux carries on running.  Win98SE is 100% stable under win4lin.  
I can run a windows program and swap backwards and forwards between 
that and reading incoming mail in kmail.  It's not free, but not very 
expensive, and their tech support is excellent if something goes 
wrong or you want to know how to safely move your registration to a 
new linux install.

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Re: [newbie] Fwd: Short Message delivery report

2003-10-05 Thread Greg Meyer

On Sunday 05 October 2003 10:34 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 3:28 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
  Does anyone have any idea why I get this message every time I post
  to newbie? Is anybody else getting it?
 
 We all are.  We have been trying to get rid of that one for several 
 weeks now.

Someone must have subscribed from the address [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then 
deleted the account.  I wonder, who at MandrakeSoft is list admin and can see 
if that address is subscribed?
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Re: [newbie] Fwd: Short Message delivery report

2003-10-05 Thread Richard Urwin

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 2:34 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 3:28 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
  Does anyone have any idea why I get this message every time I post
  to newbie? Is anybody else getting it?

 We all are.  We have been trying to get rid of that one for several
 weeks now.

It shouldl be fairly simple for Mandrake to find out. A script that mailed the 
list one at a time would do it. The timestamp on the reply would tell you 
which one was at fault. To save time you could start off with 100 at a time. 
I'm sure one of us would be happy to do it, and to sign the relevent 
non-disclosure paperwork if Mandrake were too busy.

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Re: [newbie] Fwd: Short Message delivery report

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 11:42, Greg Meyer wrote:
 On Sunday 05 October 2003 10:34 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 3:28 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
   Does anyone have any idea why I get this message every time I post
   to newbie? Is anybody else getting it?
  
  We all are.  We have been trying to get rid of that one for several 
  weeks now.
 
 Someone must have subscribed from the address [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then 
 deleted the account.  I wonder, who at MandrakeSoft is list admin and can see 
 if that address is subscribed?

NOpe. 
That address is an internal server. the only address that resolves to
and outside IP is mandy.mts.ru ([81.211.47.3])
a whois on that provided 
 whois 81.211.47.3
% This is the RIPE Whois server.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html

inetnum:  81.211.47.0 - 81.211.47.255
netname:  SOVINTEL-MTS-NET
descr:Moscow Russia
descr:ID-6069, OJSC Mobile TeleSystems
country:  RU
admin-c:  VK229-RIPE
tech-c:   VK229-RIPE
status:   ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by:   SOVINTEL-MNT
notify:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20030505
source:   RIPE

route:81.211.0.0/17
descr:EDN Sovintel
origin:   AS8773
mnt-by:   SOVINTEL-MNT
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20021104
source:   RIPE

person:   Victor Krasnov
address:  CJSC Mobile TeleSystems
address:  4, Marksistskaia
address:  109147, Moscow
phone:+7 095 7653209
fax-no:   +7 095 7660040
nic-hdl:  VK229-RIPE
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19971114
source:   RIPE

I would _never_ suggest that anyone think about forwarding any of the
SMS errors to the ISP contacts for that IP. Especially since they are
not native English speakers. 

But only the ISP can ID who is sending the messages to the server, and
is the only way any one can figure out just who is attempting to follow
this list on their beeper or cell phone.

 
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Re: [newbie] Fwd: Short Message delivery report

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 07:28, Greg Meyer wrote:
 Does anyone have any idea why I get this message every time I post to newbie?  
 Is anybody else getting it?
everyone has or is getting it  just set a rule to delete it
there are lots of previous posts on this

 
 --  Forwarded Message  --
 
 Subject: Short Message delivery report
 Date: Sunday 05 October 2003 09:07 am
 From: Sms Message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 There is no such user (newbie).
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] New to the list

On Sunday October 5 2003 09:18 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 It's the new drives that do have the CRC checking shortcuts.
  Prior to August 1998, WD's did proper CRC checks, were some of
  the best drives.

 Now you've really confused me, Tom.  I posted Civileme
 explanation to another list and they said that it was old hat -
 no longer a problem. I guess the answer is if you've got one try
 it, if you haven't, steer clear, to be safe.

 Anne

Here's the whole story. Overclockers long favored WD, Quantum, 
and IBM IDE drives, particularly WD's. Mainly because they did much 
better on off-spec PCI buses (anything SCSI has problems on an 
off-spec bus). Often necessary to overclock Intel cpu's of the era. 
In the fall of '98, many started complaining of problems and 
failures of WD IDE drives. Research by the more knowledgable 
overclocking gurus, soon revealed that WD had lowered their drive 
specs (8/98). AFAIK their current specs are the same or even lower. 
OTOH, many HDD manufacturers have lowered their specs over the last 
several years, and consequently, their warranty periods.

While Civileme was/is certainly an authoritative source, an even 
better source, the final answer for the WD-CRC checking situation 
is the linux kernel mailing list. It was the kernel hackers that 
discovered the WD problem, and AFAIK, the improper CRC checking is 
still the situation with WD drives. Your research may vary,
   http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel

I've just avoided WD since '98, but maybe the kernel gurus have 
found a work around for WD's. I doubt it tho (I lurk on lkml), 
since the problem was WD drives depend on (Windoze) software for 
CRC checking rather than including the needed hardware and firmware 
on their drives. It made their drives slightly cheaper and a little 
faster than their competitors drives. For windoze users (and system 
OEM's), this was seen as a Good Thing (and probly why WD did it).

IMO tho, I'd worry more about tainting a Linux system with 
closed source software and drivers, or other forms of win-hardware, 
before I'd replace a perfectly good working WD drive. IOW's, for 
those with WD drives and no problems with them, or traceable to 
them, I wouldn't give this WD-CRC deal another thought. Bottom line 
is, keep backups, all drives today are lesser quality than they use 
to be.
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Re: [newbie] New to the list

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 5:14 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Sunday October 5 2003 09:18 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  It's the new drives that do have the CRC checking shortcuts.
   Prior to August 1998, WD's did proper CRC checks, were some of
   the best drives.
 
  Now you've really confused me, Tom.  I posted Civileme
  explanation to another list and they said that it was old hat -
  no longer a problem. I guess the answer is if you've got one try
  it, if you haven't, steer clear, to be safe.
 
  Anne

 Here's the whole story. Overclockers long favored WD, Quantum,
 and IBM IDE drives, particularly WD's. Mainly because they did much
 better on off-spec PCI buses (anything SCSI has problems on an
 off-spec bus). Often necessary to overclock Intel cpu's of the era.
 In the fall of '98, many started complaining of problems and
 failures of WD IDE drives. Research by the more knowledgable
 overclocking gurus, soon revealed that WD had lowered their drive
 specs (8/98). AFAIK their current specs are the same or even lower.
 OTOH, many HDD manufacturers have lowered their specs over the last
 several years, and consequently, their warranty periods.

 While Civileme was/is certainly an authoritative source, an
 even better source, the final answer for the WD-CRC checking
 situation is the linux kernel mailing list. It was the kernel
 hackers that discovered the WD problem, and AFAIK, the improper CRC
 checking is still the situation with WD drives. Your research may
 vary, http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel

 I've just avoided WD since '98, but maybe the kernel gurus have
 found a work around for WD's. I doubt it tho (I lurk on lkml),
 since the problem was WD drives depend on (Windoze) software for
 CRC checking rather than including the needed hardware and firmware
 on their drives. It made their drives slightly cheaper and a little
 faster than their competitors drives. For windoze users (and system
 OEM's), this was seen as a Good Thing (and probly why WD did it).

 IMO tho, I'd worry more about tainting a Linux system with
 closed source software and drivers, or other forms of win-hardware,
 before I'd replace a perfectly good working WD drive. IOW's, for
 those with WD drives and no problems with them, or traceable to
 them, I wouldn't give this WD-CRC deal another thought. Bottom line
 is, keep backups, all drives today are lesser quality than they use
 to be.

Thanks, Tom.  Filed for future reference.

Anne
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Re: [newbie] Formatting Tool

2003-10-05 Thread Marc

On Sunday 05 October 2003 10:27 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 4:00 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
   only have to use it 1 or 2 times a day for just a few minutes to
   generate
 
  UPS
 
   shipping labels and other shipping paperwork.
 Bottom line right now windoze is fubared I need to reformat the
   windoze partision and only the windoze partision and then do a
   fresh windoze installation and leave my Linux partision
   untouched.
 Will the tools on a windoze boot disk format and fdisk allow me
   to do this
 
  ?
 
   or do I need to get some other partitioning , formating software?
 I do realize that I will probably have to repair the MBR after
 
  reinstalling
 
   windoze but that is no problem.
 
  Since you are using win98, you should look into win4lin so you
  don't have to reboot all the time.

 Absolutely true.  During install you reboot windows as normal, but
 your linux carries on running.  Win98SE is 100% stable under win4lin.
 I can run a windows program and swap backwards and forwards between
 that and reading incoming mail in kmail.  It's not free, but not very
 expensive, and their tech support is excellent if something goes
 wrong or you want to know how to safely move your registration to a
 new linux install.

 Anne


   But will it run internet exploiter? everything UPS related seems highly 
dependant on internet exploiter Mozilla , Netscape or opera WILL NOT work 
with it. As software goes it UPS world ship is about as screwed up as 
anything I have ever seen!!! But it does take all the hassle out of shipping 
stuff to Canada from the US, you would not believe the insane BS paperwork it 
takes without UPS world ship to do something that used to be so simple. It 
used to be easy before NAFTA.

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Re: [newbie] Registered Linux User No.293302

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 12:52, M J Pipkin wrote:
 Please do not send me any more newbie spam.  As a registered user, Anne
 Wilson, perhaps you would be so kind as to ensure my privacy is not further
 invaded with unwanted Mandrake Newbie mail.
 
 I would appreciate some professionalism in your honouring an individual's
 right to be excluded from receiving unwanted mail (spam).
Well M J Pipkin...


let's see, how can I put this...


How do _you_ define spam?

By my definition, (unwanted e-mail, that was not ever requested, and has
no value to the receiver) you have spammed the Mandrake newbie list.
 
Since someone with your e-mail address has signed up and sent a
confirmation that they signed up. it becomes the responsibility of the
person at that e-mail address to correct the subscription.

I know I wrote you a very nice letter explaining it when you first
_spammed_ me with your auto reply.
 
to paraphase yourself
perhaps you would be so kind as to ensure my privacy and bandwidth is
not further invaded with unwanted _your_ auto-responders Newbie mail.

I would love to have everyone else that has responded to MJ Pipkin to
post those responses on the OT list, since I know most of any response
would have been sent direct to MJ, since his reply to address is set for
it's self and not the lists. I wonder how everyone else handled this...

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Re: [newbie] Formatting Tool

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 5:43 pm, Marc wrote:
 On Sunday 05 October 2003 10:27 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 4:00 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
only have to use it 1 or 2 times a day for just a few minutes
to generate
  
   UPS
  
shipping labels and other shipping paperwork.
  Bottom line right now windoze is fubared I need to reformat
the windoze partision and only the windoze partision and then
do a fresh windoze installation and leave my Linux partision
untouched.
  Will the tools on a windoze boot disk format and fdisk
allow me to do this
  
   ?
  
or do I need to get some other partitioning , formating
software? I do realize that I will probably have to repair
the MBR after
  
   reinstalling
  
windoze but that is no problem.
  
   Since you are using win98, you should look into win4lin so you
   don't have to reboot all the time.
 
  Absolutely true.  During install you reboot windows as normal,
  but your linux carries on running.  Win98SE is 100% stable under
  win4lin. I can run a windows program and swap backwards and
  forwards between that and reading incoming mail in kmail.  It's
  not free, but not very expensive, and their tech support is
  excellent if something goes wrong or you want to know how to
  safely move your registration to a new linux install.
 
  Anne

But will it run internet exploiter? everything UPS related seems
 highly dependant on internet exploiter Mozilla , Netscape or opera
 WILL NOT work with it. As software goes it UPS world ship is about
 as screwed up as anything I have ever seen!!! But it does take all
 the hassle out of shipping stuff to Canada from the US, you would
 not believe the insane BS paperwork it takes without UPS world ship
 to do something that used to be so simple. It used to be easy
 before NAFTA.

It's incredible how they get away with it.  But yes, it will run IE.  
Just remember though that every moment you are online with IE your 
windows partition is at the same level of risk as it was before.  
Take whatever precautions you can.  BTW, have you tried using Opera 
(windows and linux) set to announce itself as IE?  It works for a lot 
of sites.

Anne
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[newbie] Difference hdlist synthesis.hdlist

2003-10-05 Thread Johan

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:55:44 +0200, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,
Kindly explain to me the difference between the 2 lists
I noticed that hdlist is megabytes  synt..hdlist is kilobytes
OK, what I would like to know what is the trade off.
Will all loaded software still be updated.
Thanks
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[newbie] Filtered TCP ports 1080-1081

2003-10-05 Thread Björn Olsson

Good evening, or morning or whatever...

Every now and then I use to scan my machine for open ports. Today I
visited www.pcflank.com and did a more thorough scan than usual. With
all firewalls disabled (Yes, I _did_ disable them. Stupid, I know,
but I was curious.) most ports showed up closed but TCP ports 1080 and
1081 were stealthed. Now, how can that be? Could it be that they are
filtered by my ISP?

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[newbie] difference between hdlist synthesis.hdlist

2003-10-05 Thread Internet

 Hi,
 Kindly explain to me the difference between the 2 lists
 I noticed that hdlist is megabytes  synt..hdlist is kilobytes
 OK, what I would like to know what is the trade off.
 Will all loaded software still be updated.
 Thanks
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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

2003-10-05 Thread robin

Daryl Johnson wrote:

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 1:59 pm, robin wrote:
 

Anne Wilson wrote:
   

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:51 pm, ed tharp wrote:
 

So any suggestions?
   

How about suggesting that anti-Ms messages are forbidden?  They seem to waste 
a lot of bandwidth wilth posters aiming to prove their linux credentials by 
dissing the alpha male.

That's not bad as a general rule, but I still think there is a place for 
MS-related posts when there is a relevance to Linux/OSS, as in the case 
of the Phoenix BIOS post. 

BTW, please delete the reply-to field in your mail client!

Sir Robin

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prepared it for you'; that is intelligible and describes how I should like you to conduct 
yourself. But I cannot say: 'Thank them because, look, how kind they are!'--since the next 
moment they may sting you.
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Re: [newbie] Difference hdlist synthesis.hdlist

2003-10-05 Thread Derek Jennings

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 8:09 pm, Johan wrote:
 On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:55:44 +0200, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,
  Kindly explain to me the difference between the 2 lists
  I noticed that hdlist is megabytes  synt..hdlist is kilobytes
  OK, what I would like to know what is the trade off.
  Will all loaded software still be updated.
  Thanks
  Johan


The synthesis.hdlist file does not contain the list of files inside RPM 
packages, descriptions or changelog.
It is intended for users on dial up lines.
It will work just as well as the hdlist.cz when you install/update. It is just 
less informative when you browse packages in the Mandrake rpmdrake GUI.

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Re: [newbie] Difference hdlist synthesis.hdlist

2003-10-05 Thread Björn Olsson

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:55:44 +0200, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
  Hi,
  Kindly explain to me the difference between the 2 lists
  I noticed that hdlist is megabytes  synt..hdlist is kilobytes
  OK, what I would like to know what is the trade off.
  Will all loaded software still be updated.
  Thanks
  Johan
 
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hdlist and synthesis are gzipped text files with information on the
RPMs. They both contain the most vital information, like name and
version of the RPMs and what other packages they depend on. The
hdlist contains a lot of additional info on each RPM, not absolutely
essential but very nice. In rpmdrake you can see the difference if you
switch between normal / maximal information.
The smaller list is a good alternative for people with a slow
connection.

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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 15:44, robin wrote:
 Daryl Johnson wrote:
 
 On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 1:59 pm, robin wrote:
   
 
 Anne Wilson wrote:
 
 
 On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 12:51 pm, ed tharp wrote:
   
 
 So any suggestions?
 
 
 
 How about suggesting that anti-Ms messages are forbidden?  They seem to waste 
 a lot of bandwidth wilth posters aiming to prove their linux credentials by 
 dissing the alpha male.
 
 That's not bad as a general rule, but I still think there is a place for 
 MS-related posts when there is a relevance to Linux/OSS, as in the case 
 of the Phoenix BIOS post. 
 
 BTW, please delete the reply-to field in your mail client!
 
 Sir Robin

Just so long as I don't have to acknowledge any M$ product as 'the alpha
male'. I might even go so far as anti-anything messages should be kept
to the barest possible minimum. lets work for 'positive' and pro-active
solutions


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Re: [newbie] Difference hdlist synthesis.hdlist

2003-10-05 Thread Johan

Hi,
I would like to thank the respondents
Now I know I can use the shorter list without worry
I have tried it and sure it is very quick
Thanks
Johan
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:50:44 +, Bjrn Olsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:55:44 +0200, Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
Kindly explain to me the difference between the 2 lists
I noticed that hdlist is megabytes  synt..hdlist is kilobytes
OK, what I would like to know what is the trade off.
Will all loaded software still be updated.
Thanks
Johan
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hdlist and synthesis are gzipped text files with information on the
RPMs. They both contain the most vital information, like name and
version of the RPMs and what other packages they depend on. The
hdlist contains a lot of additional info on each RPM, not absolutely
essential but very nice. In rpmdrake you can see the difference if you
switch between normal / maximal information.
The smaller list is a good alternative for people with a slow
connection.
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Re: [newbie] Formatting Tool

2003-10-05 Thread Marc

On Sunday 05 October 2003 12:08 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:


 It's incredible how they get away with it.  But yes, it will run IE.
 Just remember though that every moment you are online with IE your
 windows partition is at the same level of risk as it was before.
 Take whatever precautions you can.  BTW, have you tried using Opera
 (windows and linux) set to announce itself as IE?  It works for a lot
 of sites.

 Anne


   But it will not work with UPS world ship. My wife and myself have both 
tried that a number of times for what ever reason UPS world ship software 
depends on exploiter to download information from UPS although I think I 
could fool the UPS web site I cant seem to fool the world ship software. I 
keep getting tempted to switch to FedEx because of this and a few other 
irritating things that UPS does but UPS and FedEx both have their good points 
and bad still trying to decide on the switch. I do send a email to UPS every 
couple of months to complain about their world ship software and generally 
get a runaround for a reply. I think next I am going to start complaining to 
my UPS account manager if for no other reason than my theory that if enough 
people complain they will have to do something sooner or latter. Next time I 
may try to find out what they do for IBM. I would assume that IBM is using 
Linux for almost everything.

Marc


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[newbie] Dual boot setup

2003-10-05 Thread Aaron West

Evening all,

Simple question here.  I'm getting closer to the point of
being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions.  Since
I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use
a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB
hard drive.  Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux,
I've been trying to determine the order of OS install.

I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before
you install Linux.  I'm going to completely wipe my current
Windows install in order to start fresh.  And then will be
installing Linux on the new hard drive.  Is it the right
idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working
so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go?

Thanks!!


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Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup

2003-10-05 Thread Charlie M.

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October 5, 2003 05:04 pm, Aaron West wrote:
 Evening all,

 Simple question here.  I'm getting closer to the point of
 being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions.  Since
 I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use
 a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB
 hard drive.  Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux,
 I've been trying to determine the order of OS install.

Just to save yourself aggravation Windows should always go first. I know it's 
been said more than once that it shouldn't matter so much with 2000 or XP, 
and I've set partitions with the Mandrake installer then installed Windows 
after, but stuff happens and you'll be better off following the 
conventional Windows first pattern.

 I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before
 you install Linux.  I'm going to completely wipe my current
 Windows install in order to start fresh.  And then will be
 installing Linux on the new hard drive.  Is it the right
 idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working
 so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go?

 Thanks!!

You just read it again here. You seem to have at least a basic grasp of the 
situation in re. the dual boot idea. I'd probably be inclined to just slave 
the new drive in and install Mandrake. What I'm saying is the 120 GB hard 
drive will have to be introduced to Windows somehow if you plan to have any 
part of it accessible from Windows, and the easiest way to do that is to use 
the Mandrake installer to set the partition table and forget the Windows 
bootloader. Lilo or Grub are more flexible anyway.

NTFS is the default file system for 2000 and XP and it's preferable to FAT32 
in _so_ many ways. But...write support for that file system in GNU/Linux is 
experimental at best, and Linux file system support under Windows isn't much 
better so you'll probably want a FAT32 buffer partition that both operating 
systems can save files to. Then you won't have to worry about not having 
access to things when you are booted to either.

Bottom line; do the fresh Windows install and when you have your new drive 
just slave it in and boot from the first Mandrake install disk, pick the 
custom partition option and have fun. The graphics for partitioning are very 
clear. It isn't hard and you'll learn to love the power of making all your 
own decisions.

Welcome to Open Source, and to unlimited choices.

Regards;
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Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup

2003-10-05 Thread Richard Urwin

On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 11:04 pm, Aaron West wrote:
 Evening all,

 Simple question here.  I'm getting closer to the point of
 being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions.  Since
 I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use
 a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB
 hard drive.  Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux,
 I've been trying to determine the order of OS install.

 I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before
 you install Linux.  I'm going to completely wipe my current
 Windows install in order to start fresh.  And then will be
 installing Linux on the new hard drive.  Is it the right
 idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working
 so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go?

Yes.
Points to remember:
1. Do not change which drive is the master and which the slave if you can help 
it. Windows will get confused if it sees drive C change to drive D. You 
should be fine if you leave the 15GB as the master drive with a single 
partition on it and install the new drive as slave. If you partition the 15GB 
then the primary partition of the new slave drive may (IIRC) be positioned 
between the 15GB primary and secondary partitions if it is recognised by 
Windows. But if all the partitions on the slave drive are Linux filesystems 
then Windows should ignore them.

1a. You may find that the CD changes drive letters if any partitions on the 
slave drive are readable by Windows. This will mean that any time it needs 
the install disk you will have to tell it where to find the CD.

2. Windows will not install a dual-boot bootsector. Linux will. That is why 
you install Linux second.

3. Linux support for ntfs is not perfect. It is recommended to use it 
read-only. vfat (FAT32 etc.) is not a good choice for a 15GB partition.

Summary: install Windows first. Put a smallish vfat partition on the 15GB 
drive to act as common space between the OSs but use ntfs for the rest. 
Format the slave drive using only Linux filesystems.

Disclaimer: the last time I did this sort of thing it was dual-booting between 
NT4 and Win95.

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Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]

2003-10-05 Thread Cornerstone Community Farm

On Friday 03 October 2003 04:24 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 Why bother? Just filter.

 Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy
 the pig.
Stephen, you've missed too many county fairs...

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Re: [newbie] Easy way to update Gaim to 0.70?

2003-10-05 Thread Angus Auld

- Original Message -
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Easy way to update Gaim to 0.70?

 On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 4:06 pm, Trey Sizemore wrote:
  I'm running Mandrake 9.1 with Gaim 0.68.  I want to update to 0.70 but
  don't see this as an option currently in the Cooker mirrors I use.
  Installing the Mandrake 9.1 RPM from the Sourceforge site fails on some
  needed libraries.

  Is there a quick  easy way to upgrade to 0.70 while maintaining my
  current settings?

  Thanks.

Derek wrote:
snip
 Now for Gaim-0.70
 There are packages on Texstars download repository
 Go here http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
 and declare a urpmi source for Texstar and you will then be able to see hos 
 packahes in your Mandrake Software Manager GUI.

 If you have nort done so then declare sources for updates, plf, and contrib 
 too.

 derek
***

I installed the gaim 0.70 rpm for 9.1 from sourceforge, and I can't recall any 
dependency probs. Could you install the required missing libraries to satisfy 
the dependency?

Gaim 0.70 is nice. :-)

--Angus

PS. Derek, are there no conflict issues with having plf and texstar as sources for
urpmi? There is a vague warning about conflicts on the Easy Urpmi page here:
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
I have refrained from adding texstar because of concerns of this. If there are no 
issues then I will add tex promptly.

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Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup

2003-10-05 Thread Carroll Grigsby

On Sunday 05 October 2003 07:04 pm, Aaron West wrote:
 Evening all,

 Simple question here.  I'm getting closer to the point of
 being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions.  Since
 I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use
 a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB
 hard drive.  Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux,
 I've been trying to determine the order of OS install.

 I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before
 you install Linux.  I'm going to completely wipe my current
 Windows install in order to start fresh.  And then will be
 installing Linux on the new hard drive.  Is it the right
 idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working
 so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go?

 Thanks!!
 | Aaron West

Aaron:
Sounds like an excellent plan to me, and one that is commonly used. When you 
get to partitioning the Mandrake disk, I'd suggest that you do not accept the 
default paritioning scheme, but create some extra partitions. I've found it 
very useful to have one partition (using a Linux-based format) for Linux 
backups, and a second partition formatted in FAT32. The latter partition can 
be used for storing data files that you may wish to access from either OS.
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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

On Sunday October 5 2003 03:08 pm, ed tharp wrote:
  That's not bad as a general rule, but I still think there is a
  place for MS-related posts when there is a relevance to
  Linux/OSS, as in the case of the Phoenix BIOS post.
 
  BTW, please delete the reply-to field in your mail client!
 
  Sir Robin

 Just so long as I don't have to acknowledge any M$ product as
 'the alpha male'. I might even go so far as anti-anything
 messages should be kept to the barest possible minimum. lets work
 for 'positive' and pro-active solutions

   Hell, if we couldn't rant on about M$ B$, a lot of threads would 
lose a bunch of substance. Most of y'all attack the sloppiness of 
Billy's software, but fail to see how much M$ influence has 
degraded desktop hardware quality and ability over the years. If it 
keeps up I'll probly need to buy server racks to keep runnin Linux.
M$ comments should be embedded in (intending to be) 'helpful' Linux 
use replies. 

   New users' queries to newbie about Linux shouldn't be overly 
scared away with posts about windoze hardare and software 
crapiness an questionable suitability for Linux. After all the 
Linux community is workin very hard to deal with proprietary 
hardware, even M$ software. And doin better each an every day. 
There I agree, tryin be positive an not derogative in replies to 
new Linux users. Problem is, so is the dark side, an they're gainin 
ground. More'n more hardware (even firmware) is becoming more'n 
more M$ and/or proprietary dependant. To quote M$ and many other 
hardware vendors, 'It only works with Windows (XP)'.  

I didn't join in to the M$ bios thread because I considered it a 
'borderline' OT subject, but the recent stories (really old news) 
about M$/bios integration  is nothin new. IBM, Apple, and some 
others have long ago adopted that strategy. Difference is they did 
it with OPEN standards. I doubt M$ will do so since they've tried 
to corral anything they can get a foot in the door with, and EEE 
(extend, embrace, extinguish  or control). IOW's ... CLOSED. 
The real shame is the hardware (or specially in the case of 
win-hardware) SUX!  (btw, the worst bios, Phoenix... has for 
several years since they bought 'em, owned the best .. Award. Think 
of it as OEM it's probly Phoenix, quality it's still Award)

   I too noticed the alpha male remark. It's part of M$'s 
successful brain washin. They've got a lot of the world's 
population thinkin they were the beginning ... and will be the end 
all. Neither of which is/will be true, in spite of many not even 
being aware of anything else, before or after. But OTOH, most new 
Linux users wouldn't be here unless they've already suspected M$ 
veracity an capability.

   As to the subject, there's only one solution. Ignore, don't 
participate in OT for the list threads. If ya wanna spout about 
topics semi or completely unrelated to Mandrake Newbie, please join 
us at   http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot
Please realize that newbies are the most important Linux users, with 
their testing, questions, complaints an suggestions. Without them, 
there'd only be M$, and viable much better alternatives would be 
only for a few, an certainly not single desktop users.

   I was reluctant to reply to this thread, as I thought it at least 
semi off topic. BUT this list needs to seriously reduce OT posts. 
Please post Linux accomplishments and or M$ failures to the OT 
list. Specially political, even religious topics. Nobody will bite 
your head off ... you might even convince somebody or two.
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Re: [newbie] New to the list

2003-10-05 Thread Angus Auld

- Original Message -
From: Aaron West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] New to the list

 Thanks for everyones comments and suggestions.  I'm still doing some more research 
 on whether my system can support the ATA-133 interface, but I should be ordering a 
 drive soon.

 Last night I queued up an FTP download of all the 9.1 images.  It all appears to 
 have downloaded correctly, but I'd like to do the checksum.  Can I verify these 
 files on Windows?

 Many thanks,

 BTW, I'm using a Web based e-Mail client for this list and cannot disable the 
 reply-to information. Sorry!

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Hi Aaron, yes you can get a little program called MD5summer for windows 
here: http://www.md5summer.org/download.html
With this you can verify md5sums from windows. 
I have used it and found it very easy. Should meet your 
needs. 
HTH.

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Re: [newbie] Easy way to update Gaim to 0.70?

2003-10-05 Thread Derek Jennings

On Monday 06 Oct 2003 1:06 am, Angus Auld wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Easy way to update Gaim to 0.70?

  On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 4:06 pm, Trey Sizemore wrote:
   I'm running Mandrake 9.1 with Gaim 0.68.  I want to update to 0.70 but
   don't see this as an option currently in the Cooker mirrors I use.
   Installing the Mandrake 9.1 RPM from the Sourceforge site fails on some
   needed libraries.

   Is there a quick  easy way to upgrade to 0.70 while maintaining my
   current settings?

   Thanks.

 Derek wrote:
 snip

  Now for Gaim-0.70
  There are packages on Texstars download repository
  Go here http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
  and declare a urpmi source for Texstar and you will then be able to see
  hos packahes in your Mandrake Software Manager GUI.

  If you have nort done so then declare sources for updates, plf, and
  contrib too.

  derek
 ***

 I installed the gaim 0.70 rpm for 9.1 from sourceforge, and I can't recall
 any dependency probs. Could you install the required missing libraries to
 satisfy the dependency?

 Gaim 0.70 is nice. :-)

 --Angus

 PS. Derek, are there no conflict issues with having plf and texstar as
 sources for urpmi? There is a vague warning about conflicts on the Easy
 Urpmi page here: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
 I have refrained from adding texstar because of concerns of this. If there
 are no issues then I will add tex promptly.

 Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around
 in awareness. -- James Thurber

I was not trying to say you *will* get a dependency problem if you install 
packages from source forge. Just that you run a *risk* of a dependency 
problem.
If you install only packages compiled with the same libraries as on the 
distro, then you can be fairly confident they will work OK.
When you install packages built for a different release or distro, then you 
can end up with conflicting dependencies.
Nowdays I only use Mandrake specific RPMs or else compile from source (and use 
checkinstall to create an RPM for me)

As for plf and Texstar.
Texstar has some packages which are duplicates of ones in plf.  I am not aware 
of any actual incompatibility. They are both built using standard Mandrake 
libraries. There has been the odd occasion where plf and Texstar have given 
the same package different names which causes a little confusion  (e.g. the 
lame mp3 encoder ), but I think now they co-operate better.

derek

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Re: [newbie] Easy way to update Gaim to 0.70?

2003-10-05 Thread Angus Auld

- Original Message -
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 01:38:10 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Easy way to update Gaim to 0.70?

big snip
 Angus inquired:
  PS. Derek, are there no conflict issues with having plf and texstar as
  sources for urpmi? There is a vague warning about conflicts on the Easy
  Urpmi page here: http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
  I have refrained from adding texstar because of concerns of this. If there
  are no issues then I will add tex promptly.

  Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around
  in awareness. -- James Thurber

 I was not trying to say you *will* get a dependency problem if you install 
 packages from source forge. Just that you run a *risk* of a dependency 
 problem.
 If you install only packages compiled with the same libraries as on the 
 distro, then you can be fairly confident they will work OK.
 When you install packages built for a different release or distro, then you 
 can end up with conflicting dependencies.
 Nowdays I only use Mandrake specific RPMs or else compile from source (and use 
 checkinstall to create an RPM for me)

 As for plf and Texstar.
 Texstar has some packages which are duplicates of ones in plf.  I am not aware 
 of any actual incompatibility. They are both built using standard Mandrake 
 libraries. There has been the odd occasion where plf and Texstar have given 
 the same package different names which causes a little confusion  (e.g. the 
 lame mp3 encoder ), but I think now they co-operate better.

 derek

*
Thanks so much for that clarification/explanation Derek.
Best regards.

--Angus

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Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup

2003-10-05 Thread Aaron West

So, are you saying that I can't install Windows on the slave drive and Linux on the 
master drive?  Sorry for my confusion.

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- Original Message -

DATE: 05 Oct 2003 19:32:06 -040
From: ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 19:04, Aaron West wrote:
 Evening all,
 
 Simple question here.  I'm getting closer to the point of
 being ready for the 9.1 install but want some opinions.  Since
 I'm going to dual boot with Windows 2000 (Windows with use
 a completely different physical hard drive, my current 15GB
 hard drive.  Linux will use the new 120GB Maxtor) and Linux,
 I've been trying to determine the order of OS install.
 
 I read somewhere that you should install Windows first before
 you install Linux.  I'm going to completely wipe my current
 Windows install in order to start fresh.  And then will be
 installing Linux on the new hard drive.  Is it the right
 idea to go ahead and get the fresh Windows drive working
 so once the new HD comes in I'll be ready to go?
 
 Thanks!!
 
 
 ---
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M$ wants to see an M$ product on the first sector of the first partition
on the first disk on the first ide chain. win 9x ME require them to be
on that partition. win2k can sit elsewhere as long as a M$ product is in
that first spot.  






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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

2003-10-05 Thread Miark

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:26:13 +0100, Daryl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How about suggesting that anti-Ms messages are forbidden?  They seem to waste 
 a lot of bandwidth wilth posters aiming to prove their linux credentials by 
 dissing the alpha male.

Some, perhaps, but I believe there is value in sharing anti-M$ info that
equips users to promote Linux and Mandrake in the flesh-and-blood world.
That requires understanding how M$ programs, deals with other companies,
makes patches, crafts licenses, engages in politics, and so on.

I think there are far simpler ways to cut down on bandwidth:

1) Keep your politics and philosophy to yourself. Everybody hates America.  
   We get it. Shut up, already.
2) Resist the urge to contribute responses that are not substantive and add
   relevant info. I know I need to work even harder on this myself.
3) When you respond, cut out the sections of the original post that are 
   unnecessary, including multiple blank lines, sigs, and anything
   that doesn't pertain to what you're saying. INMNSHO one should only quote 
   enough to give context to what you're saying, and the e-mail/date/etc. of 
   the person you're responding to. If somebody snags your message from an
   archive, your response will make perfect sense, and the reader will be
   fully able to contribute something further to either the list or the original 
   poster if they so wish.

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Re: [newbie] Filtered TCP ports 1080-1081

On Sunday October 5 2003 04:23 pm, Björn Olsson wrote:
 Good evening, or morning or whatever...

 Every now and then I use to scan my machine for open ports. Today
 I visited www.pcflank.com and did a more thorough scan than
 usual. With all firewalls disabled (Yes, I _did_ disable them.
 Stupid, I know, but I was curious.) most ports showed up closed
 but TCP ports 1080 and 1081 were stealthed. Now, how can that be?
 Could it be that they are filtered by my ISP?

 Björn

   Try a better scan(s),

   http://scan.sygatetech.com/
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Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup

2003-10-05 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:53:55 +
Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1. Do not change which drive is the master and which the slave if you
 can help it. Windows will get confused if it sees drive C change to
 drive D.

There is a very simple way around this that works for Any version of
windows.

Keep the old hd as is, windows only, and move it to the slave position.

Set the new hd as master.
Install Mandrake on the new drive, using all or as such space as you
wish.
When the linux bootloader is installed an entry will automatically be
made for windows.
Anytime you boot windows it will not be able to 'see' your linux drive
so will still believe that it is C.

I have done the above with 98, 200 and XP with never a problem.
It has the added benefit, as picky and fickle as it can at time be, the
win bootsector/MBR is never touched.


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Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 17:07, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
 On Friday 03 October 2003 04:24 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  Why bother? Just filter.
 
  Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy
  the pig.
 Stephen, you've missed too many county fairs...
Way I heard it Never Wrestle with a pig...You get dirty..and the pig
enjoys it
 
 
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Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]

2003-10-05 Thread Margot

Aron Smith wrote:
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 17:07, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:

On Friday 03 October 2003 04:24 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

Why bother? Just filter.

Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy
the pig.
Stephen, you've missed too many county fairs...
Way I heard it Never Wrestle with a pig...You get dirty..and the pig
enjoys it
Shouldn't pig wrestling/dancing be on the OT list? Or are these Mandrake 
packages that I just haven't installed yet? ;-)


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Re: [newbie] have we killed the reason we are here?

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 17:21, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Sunday October 5 2003 03:08 pm, ed tharp wrote:
   That's not bad as a general rule, but I still think there is a
   place for MS-related posts when there is a relevance to
   Linux/OSS, as in the case of the Phoenix BIOS post.
  
   BTW, please delete the reply-to field in your mail client!
  
   Sir Robin
 
  Just so long as I don't have to acknowledge any M$ product as
  'the alpha male'. I might even go so far as anti-anything
  messages should be kept to the barest possible minimum. lets work
  for 'positive' and pro-active solutions
 
Hell, if we couldn't rant on about M$ B$, a lot of threads would 
 lose a bunch of substance. Most of y'all attack the sloppiness of 
 Billy's software, but fail to see how much M$ influence has 
 degraded desktop hardware quality and ability over the years. If it 
 keeps up I'll probly need to buy server racks to keep runnin Linux.
 M$ comments should be embedded in (intending to be) 'helpful' Linux 
 use replies. 
 
New users' queries to newbie about Linux shouldn't be overly 
 scared away with posts about windoze hardare and software 
 crapiness an questionable suitability for Linux. After all the 
 Linux community is workin very hard to deal with proprietary 
 hardware, even M$ software. And doin better each an every day. 
 There I agree, tryin be positive an not derogative in replies to 
 new Linux users. Problem is, so is the dark side, an they're gainin 
 ground. More'n more hardware (even firmware) is becoming more'n 
 more M$ and/or proprietary dependant. To quote M$ and many other 
 hardware vendors, 'It only works with Windows (XP)'.  
 
 I didn't join in to the M$ bios thread because I considered it a 
 'borderline' OT subject, but the recent stories (really old news) 
 about M$/bios integration  is nothin new. IBM, Apple, and some 
 others have long ago adopted that strategy. Difference is they did 
 it with OPEN standards. I doubt M$ will do so since they've tried 
 to corral anything they can get a foot in the door with, and EEE 
 (extend, embrace, extinguish  or control). IOW's ... CLOSED. 
 The real shame is the hardware (or specially in the case of 
 win-hardware) SUX!  (btw, the worst bios, Phoenix... has for 
 several years since they bought 'em, owned the best .. Award. Think 
 of it as OEM it's probly Phoenix, quality it's still Award)
 
I too noticed the alpha male remark. It's part of M$'s 
 successful brain washin. They've got a lot of the world's 
 population thinkin they were the beginning ... and will be the end 
 all. Neither of which is/will be true, in spite of many not even 
 being aware of anything else, before or after. But OTOH, most new 
 Linux users wouldn't be here unless they've already suspected M$ 
 veracity an capability.
 
As to the subject, there's only one solution. Ignore, don't 
 participate in OT for the list threads. If ya wanna spout about 
 topics semi or completely unrelated to Mandrake Newbie, please join 
 us at   http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot
 Please realize that newbies are the most important Linux users, with 
 their testing, questions, complaints an suggestions. Without them, 
 there'd only be M$, and viable much better alternatives would be 
 only for a few, an certainly not single desktop users.
 
I was reluctant to reply to this thread, as I thought it at least 
 semi off topic. BUT this list needs to seriously reduce OT posts. 
 Please post Linux accomplishments and or M$ failures to the OT 
 list. Specially political, even religious topics. Nobody will bite 
 your head off ... you might even convince somebody or two.
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Re: M J Pipkin [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)]

On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 18:55, Margot wrote:
 Aron Smith wrote:
  On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 17:07, Cornerstone Community Farm wrote:
  
 On Friday 03 October 2003 04:24 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 
 Why bother? Just filter.
 
 Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy
 the pig.
 
 Stephen, you've missed too many county fairs...
  
  Way I heard it Never Wrestle with a pig...You get dirty..and the pig
  enjoys it
  
 
 Shouldn't pig wrestling/dancing be on the OT list? Or are these Mandrake 
 packages that I just haven't installed yet? ;-)
Gonna take ya to Alabama girl then we can hypnotize chickens after the
pig dancingg
 
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Dual boot setup

2003-10-05 Thread Greg Meyer

On Sunday 05 October 2003 08:54 pm, Aaron West wrote:
 So, are you saying that I can't install Windows on the slave drive and Linux 
on the master drive?  Sorry for my confusion.
 
It depends on the version of Windows you are using.  The 9x series (including 
ME) want to be on the first primary partition of the first drive in the 
system.  This is not exactly true for Win2k and XP, but there are some issues 
with non-dos filesystems on partitions lower than the Windows partitions.  
Sometimes they are not seen and sometimes they impact drive performance.  I 
have experienced both.  If you are going to use the whole 15GB drive for 
Windows, and you are using Win2k or XP, then you should be able to do it as 
you are proposing.

Most people install windows first, then install Mandrake, which will detect 
your windows install and make it a choice on the boot menu.

So in your case, you might want to do something like this.  15GB drive for 
Windows as primary master.  80GB drive foe Linux as primary slave.  Optical 
CDRW drive as secondary master and dvd/cdrom reader as secondary slave.

Also, please clear the reply-yo in your mail client.  Replies to your messages 
are going to you directly instead of to the list.
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Re: [newbie] Portable OGG player(s)?

2003-10-05 Thread Traci Collins

For those of you who would prefer a Linux solution, the Sharp Zaurus
does a great job with oggs.

Traci

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 06:10, Trevor Rhodes wrote:
 On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:52 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
  I know there is some interest in this, so this might be interesting:
 
  http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2003/iriver_ihp-120.html
 
  What I couldn't figure out from the article is if it requires proprietary
  software to run it...
 
 My Palm Tungsten C plays oggs just fine.  I love it.  Expensive but fun.  hehe
 
  Regards
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