Acknowledging the problem is the first step in recovery.
-Original Message-
From: Michael Geier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 2:22 AM
To: Acer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Acer,
Did you ever consider the fact that ASP, JSP and CF
on 04/08/02 3:55 PM, Acer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
so fine zend is ripping people off, what's the point? well it has been
damaging to php is my point. no one knows what php is and no one will pay
you to do php. why blame zend on this? no matter what rasmus says that 600
people have
I know I shouldn't do more to keep this going but I'll make this one,
and only, post.
this all started when rasmus had a problem with the click
in my original post
From what I read, Rasmus made a correction to your opinion. You are
entitled to your opinion, but perhaps you should learn
On Sunday 04 August 2002 15:53, David Freeman wrote:
Now that Nick has released the free
accelerator and an inexpensive ($0.50 per shot) encoder it
might change but I don't know if it's too late.
Great for Nick (whoever he is). $0.50 isn't necessarily cheap though.
I have one of my
community! Thanks to those who made the
manual! Thanks to the (over) 600 as well! Thanks to the mailing lists, etc!
- E
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On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Acer wrote:
Acknowledging the problem is the first step in recovery.
*plonk*
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encoders are evil (be it zend or
php-encoder) and just because you encode your project doesn't mean people
won't share their knowledge.
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From: Jason Wong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 5:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
. And thanks for reading my mind,
there's like 3 of you on this list. Do you do partys?
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From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 3:09 AM
To: Acer; php
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
on 04/08/02 3:55 PM, Acer ([EMAIL PROTECTED
No we shouldn't criticise a commerical company because I never hear bad
things about Microsoft on here.
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From: David Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 3:54 AM
To: 'Acer'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
I know I
on 04/08/02 11:45 PM, Acer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Okay let me clarify, I think that if Zend did not exist then php would be in
a better position. Why? Because something like php-encoder would of filled
the void sooner and everyone would of benefited from encoders and
accelerators.
Just a couple of facts:
1. If Zend did not exist, PHP 4 wouldn't have existed, at least not in any
way similar to what PHP 4 looks like today. FYI, with PHP 3, it was
impossible to write accelerators, encoders, debuggers and whatnot.
2. Zend published its value-add software *2 years* ago,
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Sent: August 4, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Acer
Cc: Justin French; php
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Just a couple of facts:
1. If Zend did not exist, PHP 4 wouldn't have existed, at least not in any
way similar to what PHP 4 looks like today. FYI, with PHP 3, it was
impossible to write
At 18:12 04/08/2002, Acer wrote:
Okay like I said before, Zeev is agreeing with me that php is zend and zend
is php. However, if zend dropped off the face of the planet, there would be
programmers to fill that void.
No, I am not. Zend was a key figure in the development of PHP, without
which
No we shouldn't criticise a commerical company because I never hear
bad
things about Microsoft on here.
Read archives :-)
Maxim Maletsky
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Hello,
On 08/03/2002 01:58 PM, Acer wrote:
There is a free php accelerator so I don't know why you would pay for one.
www.php-accelerator.co.uk
The same guy (Nick) has also just made an encoder. It is in beta testing
right now and there's no windows version yet but that should be coming
Hello,
On 08/03/2002 03:05 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all. Others
in the group either have more sense or have given up on answering
php-general questions.
I believe the point is that you always be passive when it comes to
: Justin French; php
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Okay like I said before, Zeev is agreeing with me that php is zend and
zend
is php. However, if zend dropped off the face of the planet, there
would
be
programmers to fill that void.
Again call me a cynic but zend develops php
Hello,
On 08/03/2002 10:44 PM, Justin French wrote:
The people for Zend have to eat to live.
And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD $3,000
to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not viable for
most of us to sell our PHP programs as closed source?
Hello,
On 08/03/2002 10:49 PM, Justin French wrote:
Don't get me wrong rasmus, I don't have any problems with you. It's just
fishy when some guy in the UK was able to put together a php accelerator for
free and a php encoder for $0.50 a pop while zend is charging several
thousands. You have to
On 08/04/2002 04:08 AM, Justin French wrote:
on 04/08/02 3:55 PM, Acer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
so fine zend is ripping people off, what's the point? well it has been
damaging to php is my point. no one knows what php is and no one will pay
you to do php. why blame zend on this? no
Hello,
On 08/04/2002 11:55 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
Just a couple of facts:
1. If Zend did not exist, PHP 4 wouldn't have existed, at least not in
any way similar to what PHP 4 looks like today. FYI, with PHP 3, it was
impossible to write accelerators, encoders, debuggers and whatnot.
Manuel,
I feel like you want Zend to develop things for free like they develop
Zend Engine. I think it is right for them selling Zend Encoder and IDE.
Companies still trust these products more than the free packages you
mentioned. Do not forget, PHP is running on Zend.
There is really a lot of
Hello,
On 08/04/2002 03:35 PM, Maxim Maletsky wrote:
I feel like you want Zend to develop things for free like they develop
Zend Engine. I think it is right for them selling Zend Encoder and IDE.
Companies still trust these products more than the free packages you
mentioned. Do not forget,
any windows version of this product?
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Hello,
On 08/02/2002 11:06 AM, Lallous wrote:
So...
Is this equivalent to Zend Encoder?
Not exactly, but in some aspects it is/will be better like the
Hello,
On 08/03/2002 05:41 AM, Lallous wrote:
any windows version of this product?
AFAIK, you compile it for Windows. I was also told that is a major headache.
Anyway, don't despair, it seems that some developers are working on
providing already compiled PECL extensions that can be
So...
Is this equivalent to Zend Encoder?
Not exactly, but in some aspects it is/will be better like the ability
to generate executable standalone PHP programs that you can distribute
independently. There is also the question of the price that for Zend
Encoder is ridiculously expensive.
Hello,
On 08/03/2002 09:16 AM, Andrey Hristov wrote:
So...
Is this equivalent to Zend Encoder?
Not exactly, but in some aspects it is/will be better like the ability
to generate executable standalone PHP programs that you can distribute
independently. There is also the question of the price
: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
So...
Is this equivalent to Zend Encoder?
Not exactly, but in some aspects it is/will be better like the ability
to generate executable standalone PHP programs that you can distribute
independently. There is also
Message-
From: Dennis Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 10:58 AM
To: Andrey Hristov; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Everyone understands that Zend has to eat, but so do most of us small
developers. I have no problem with them charging
You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight
click so it's business as usual.
That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this
list in a very long time.
-Rasmus
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From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM
To: Acer
Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight
click so it's business as usual
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote:
You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight
click so it's business as usual.
You're kidding, right? When was the last time you saw one the creator of
ASP on a mailing list personally answering code questions?
For what it's
: Protect PHP coding
You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight
click so it's business as usual.
That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen posted to this
list in a very long time.
-Rasmus
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-Original Message-
From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM
To: Acer
Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a tight
in a very long time.
-Original Message-
From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM
To: Acer
Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
You'll never hear anything from the core php group since
Well said, Rasmus.
- Maxim Maletsky
-Original Message-
From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 8:06 PM
To: Acer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all
My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. I would
never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come with the php
source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it through a
license. People who choose to violate that license are the same people
On Sunday 04 August 2002 04:38, Bob Lockie wrote:
My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. I would
never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come with the php
source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it through a
license. People who
Scott wrote:
You're kidding, right? When was the last time you saw one the creator of
ASP on a mailing list personally answering code questions?
Call me a cynic but to maintain your status as php god you have to
contribute to the list so you can sign a book deal.
Scott wrote:
For what it's
So, go write JSP for someone then and stop bugging us.
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From: Acer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Scott wrote:
You're kidding, right? When
is not right.
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From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM
To: Acer
Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they are a
tight
it is now so you can't have it both ways.
-Original Message-
From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 2:06 PM
To: Acer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at all. Others
Sorry for bothering you, I didn't think I would hit a nerve.
-Original Message-
From: Danny Shepherd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 5:59 PM
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
So, go write JSP for someone then and stop bugging us
Call me a cynic but to maintain your status as php god you have to
contribute to the list so you can sign a book deal.
Cynic? Rather paranoid
Scott wrote:
For what it's worth, I just left a 50,000 employee company that
would
not
let me use PHP in production until I showed them the Zend
?
Sincerely,
Maxim Maletsky
PHP Beginner
www.phpbeginner.com
-Original Message-
From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:01 AM
To: Rasmus Lerdorf
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Okay so you support zend but hate
on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The people for Zend have to eat to live.
And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD $3,000
to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not viable for
most of us to sell our PHP programs as
on 04/08/02 3:30 AM, Acer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Don't get me wrong rasmus, I don't have any problems with you. It's just
fishy when some guy in the UK was able to put together a php accelerator for
free and a php encoder for $0.50 a pop while zend is charging several
thousands. You
; 'Rasmus Lerdorf'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Okay fine whatever. Let's just continue sticking our heads in the
sand
and
pretend php developers isn't last on the list of jobs available
compared
to
asp, jsp and cf developers.
That topic isn't important so
on 04/08/02 8:01 AM, Acer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Sorry for bothering you, I didn't think I would hit a nerve.
Didn't think you'd hit a nerve?
You're complaining profusely about the price charged for a commercial
product, and bagging the crap out of the developers, contributors and people
1. You complain about Zend charging for a product when someone else has
created an equivalent open source product.
2. You support ColdFusion and ASP when someone else has created an
equivalent open source product.
The point is that you need better logic in your arguments before you
will
okay you say zend gave me php and rasmus says 600 people gave me php. you
guys need to get your story right.
-Original Message-
From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 9:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
shop and
bye bye zend.
-Original Message-
From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 9:50 PM
To: Acer; Rasmus Lerdorf
Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
on 04/08/02 3:30 AM, Acer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote
you guys are the ones in denial and can't stand that someone is disagreeing
with you.
-Original Message-
From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 10:03 PM
To: Acer; Danny Shepherd
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
on 04/08/02 8
] Re: Protect PHP coding
on 03/08/02 11:57 PM, Manuel Lemos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
The people for Zend have to eat to live.
And don't we all? That is the main problem. If we need to pay USD
$3,000
to be able to compile our PHP programs, doesn't that make not viable
for
most of us
, 2002 11:18 PM
To: Acer
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
1. You complain about Zend charging for a product when someone else has
created an equivalent open source product.
2. You support ColdFusion and ASP when someone else has created an
equivalent open source
if you can't debate the issues then get out.
-Original Message-
From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM
To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Acer,
Give it up. We are tired
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Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
if you can't debate the issues then get out.
-Original Message-
From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 12:00 AM
To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL
are the best! keep up the good work!
-Original Message-
From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 12:22 AM
To: 'Acer'; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Acer, I can, we all can, but this is OFF-TOPIC.
You
luck in your life you poor, poor soul.
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From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Justin French'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
i did drop
: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
I am pretty new to PHP, but not to computing since I've been working
with them for about 15 years and I would like to say something about
this idiotic spamming subject.
It's your problem if you get short on cash for buying something you
could have done by yourself
it.
Will we get hurt? Ufff whata pain
Maxim Maletsky
-Original Message-
From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:06 AM
To: César Aracena; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
the truth hurts sometimes.
this was dropped a long
) encoder it might change but
I don't know if it's too late.
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From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 4, 2002 1:26 AM
To: 'Acer'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
It hurts no one. Believe me.
Do what. Download PHP package
the difference between = and ==? I'm too lazy to read the
manual.
-Original Message-
From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: August 3, 2002 7:42 PM
To: 'Acer'; 'Rasmus Lerdorf'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Acer, what the f
So...
Is this equivalent to Zend Encoder?
Elias
Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Hello,
On 08/01/2002 01:58 PM, Yc Nyon wrote:
Is there any method to encrypt PHP files.
Use bcompiler which is free and is part of PEAR/PECL
Does the bcompiler below improve performance?
make scripts run faster?
anybody have a testimonials on it's use??
Thanks,
Randy
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From: Manuel Lemos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP
Hello,
On 08/02/2002 11:06 AM, Lallous wrote:
So...
Is this equivalent to Zend Encoder?
Not exactly, but in some aspects it is/will be better like the ability
to generate executable standalone PHP programs that you can distribute
independently. There is also the question of the price that
PM
Subject: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Hello,
On 08/01/2002 01:58 PM, Yc Nyon wrote:
Is there any method to encrypt PHP files.
Use bcompiler which is free and is part of PEAR/PECL official PHP
extensions repository:
http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=95
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Hello,
On 08/01/2002 01:58 PM, Yc Nyon wrote:
Is there any method to encrypt PHP files.
Use bcompiler which is free and is part of PEAR/PECL official PHP
extensions repository:
http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=95
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