Re: [videoblogging] new freevlog!
Nice! In a moment of amazing synchronicity, I found your announcement just as I was coming to show Freevlog to the first of my friends who has ever expressed an interest in video blogging. Just yesterday I posted a message here saying how none of my friends has ever been interested. So. If you build it, they will come! Looks very pretty and as easy to use as ever. You guys are brilliant. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/ On 20 Mar 2007, at 04:08, ryanne hodson wrote: hey all check out the new freevlog http://www.freevlog.org/ we made a much needed update to the tutorials: http://freevlog.org/tutorial we're still working on a couple extras but the basics are there and boy do they look good!!! so send your friends and feel proud about the OUTSTANDING QUALITY that is FreeVlog.org. -ryanne and verdi -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: provocative statements...
The problem that I have with people making a big deal that Steven Bochco is doing an internet series is that there's nothing Steven Bochco about it. See for yourself. http://www.metacafe.com/cc. If you remove his name from the series, you have a bunch of random people standing around in non-descript locations telling unverifiable stories that the viewer is supposed to accept as truth about that person's life. Period. Make a big deal when he's involved with something groundbreaking, like his television work. I mean, come on. Cafe Confidential isn't even 39 Second Single! http://www.39secondsingle.blogspot.com/. 39 has editing, backgrounds, characters, punchlines. You could bring a backdrop with you and film 44 episodes of Cafe Confidential in any mall in the country in one week. How are you going to make a big deal that someone (according to IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004766/) who's won 10 Emmy Awards has lent his name to a project with ABSOLUTELY.ZERO.PRODUCTION.VALUE? hahahaha :/ Here's what MetaCafe had to say about it on their blog: http://blog.metacafe.com/?p=109 So what is Cafe Confidential? It's a whole new section of Metacafe. And it's all about storytelling - the girl next door and the guy across hall telling you about their craziest experiences, with no scripts, no sets and no special effects. Café Confidential was conceived by Hollywood producer Steven Bochco. After creating such hit television series as NYPD Blue and L.A. Law, Bochco wanted to find a new generation of storytellers - but not another screenwriter. His Café Confidential team scouted the streets and malls of L.A. in search of interesting young men and women. These amateur storytellers weren't afraid to get personal as they described their dates, their jobs and their families. Bochco then selected the best of the stories for Metacafe, which is what you'll find at Café Confidential right now. So, actually, Steven Bochco has NOTHING to do with the series except giving the yay or nay to whatever his APs went out and shot. Anyone else could have done exactly the same thing, and it would have gotten ZERO press. I think I'll make a series about people standing at bus stops around my city and call it Bus Stop Confidential. :/ -- Bill C. http://TheLab.ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I try to limit how much crap I can stand in one day. Today, not so good. I feel barfy. I was reading the article about Steven Bocho's stepping into internet video and he sees it as a diversion. That's what Bocho sees or has come to understand about Internet video. And how do you divert the masses quickly? According to him it is sex. I'm not against sex. I am not against videos about sex, that included sex or even if there is no sex at all. My point is that it is hard for many people to have an expanded vision. Most people think YouTube is vlogging. That's what the news media and a bunch of other sites that post YT videos tell people. There is a lot of education/information exchanging that has to take place with the non-blogging public. Unfortunately, the news media and others are putting there imprint on what they want to perceive as blogs/vlogs. When I do presentations people are surprised when I show them a variety of blogs and non YT vlogs. I hear it all the time I didn't know! How long has this been going on? Another thing to consider is time is fractured. Most people tend to allocate what time they have available with and growing set of resources. Good vlogs are not easy to find for novice users. You have to have the right players on the system. Bandwidth issues. And even if you send them the link they are too embarrassed to tell you they don't know how to view the video. In closing, I hold dear that statement that Barry Diller gave as few months ago and is buried in the archive. A quote from InterActiveCorp CEO Barry Diller: There is not that much talent in the world, and talent always outs. There are very few really talented people in closets that don't get out. When we are talking about mass audience, which is the system of entertainment we have known for some time, when you are really making a television program or a game there will be relatively few people [able to do that] because there is simply not enough talent. That may be a birdbrained statement, but it is mine. People with talent and expertise at making entertainment products are not going to be displaced by 1,800 people coming up with their videos that they think are going to have an appeal. I continue to live (and blog/vlog)in defiance! Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Yeah, and this weekend I listened to an extremely intelligent, well- respected man telling me that man-made global warming was a myth, presumably just because he wanted
[videoblogging] YouTube Video Awards
It's true according to Yahoo. I want a special award to the best of the Shakira clones. The bigger the man belly the better. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_hi_te/youtube_awards Gena
[videoblogging] Eric Rice is a star /flashmeeting remixed
The latest flashmeeting on saturday remixed by my friend Michael Borrras AKA Systaime at the Festival Videoformes 2007 French trash touch http://frenchtrashtouch.blip.tv/file/174717/ Enjoy it Loiez
[videoblogging] Vote Different Editting
Well, the YouTube video, Vote Different, is sure getting a lot of attention. People have talked about how with YouTube, anyone can now make and distribute great videos. I must admit, I think it is an incredible video, but with all of my limited video editing ability, there is no way that I could make such video. So, my question to everyone on the list: What sort of tools do you think were used to create the video, (or what tools would you have used?) How do we help others learn to use such tools and be more creative in the videos the produce? Aldon
[videoblogging] Re: provocative statements...
What you are saying is excatly part of the problem. Like you said, if it wasn't Bochco, no press. Heck it's not even orginaland the sad/funny part is it will still cost 10-20 times the amount it should to produce.MSM really has no idea what is happening at a fundamental level but we all knew that right? Like I said before, who cares, I vlog because I can! Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem that I have with people making a big deal that Steven Bochco is doing an internet series is that there's nothing Steven Bochco about it. See for yourself. http://www.metacafe.com/cc. If you remove his name from the series, you have a bunch of random people standing around in non-descript locations telling unverifiable stories that the viewer is supposed to accept as truth about that person's life. Period. Make a big deal when he's involved with something groundbreaking, like his television work. I mean, come on. Cafe Confidential isn't even 39 Second Single! http://www.39secondsingle.blogspot.com/. 39 has editing, backgrounds, characters, punchlines. You could bring a backdrop with you and film 44 episodes of Cafe Confidential in any mall in the country in one week. How are you going to make a big deal that someone (according to IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004766/) who's won 10 Emmy Awards has lent his name to a project with ABSOLUTELY.ZERO.PRODUCTION.VALUE? hahahaha :/ Here's what MetaCafe had to say about it on their blog: http://blog.metacafe.com/?p=109 So what is Cafe Confidential? It's a whole new section of Metacafe. And it's all about storytelling - the girl next door and the guy across hall telling you about their craziest experiences, with no scripts, no sets and no special effects. Café Confidential was conceived by Hollywood producer Steven Bochco. After creating such hit television series as NYPD Blue and L.A. Law, Bochco wanted to find a new generation of storytellers - but not another screenwriter. His Café Confidential team scouted the streets and malls of L.A. in search of interesting young men and women. These amateur storytellers weren't afraid to get personal as they described their dates, their jobs and their families. Bochco then selected the best of the stories for Metacafe, which is what you'll find at Café Confidential right now. So, actually, Steven Bochco has NOTHING to do with the series except giving the yay or nay to whatever his APs went out and shot. Anyone else could have done exactly the same thing, and it would have gotten ZERO press. I think I'll make a series about people standing at bus stops around my city and call it Bus Stop Confidential. :/ -- Bill C. http://TheLab.ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena compumavengal@ wrote: I try to limit how much crap I can stand in one day. Today, not so good. I feel barfy. I was reading the article about Steven Bocho's stepping into internet video and he sees it as a diversion. That's what Bocho sees or has come to understand about Internet video. And how do you divert the masses quickly? According to him it is sex. I'm not against sex. I am not against videos about sex, that included sex or even if there is no sex at all. My point is that it is hard for many people to have an expanded vision. Most people think YouTube is vlogging. That's what the news media and a bunch of other sites that post YT videos tell people. There is a lot of education/information exchanging that has to take place with the non-blogging public. Unfortunately, the news media and others are putting there imprint on what they want to perceive as blogs/vlogs. When I do presentations people are surprised when I show them a variety of blogs and non YT vlogs. I hear it all the time I didn't know! How long has this been going on? Another thing to consider is time is fractured. Most people tend to allocate what time they have available with and growing set of resources. Good vlogs are not easy to find for novice users. You have to have the right players on the system. Bandwidth issues. And even if you send them the link they are too embarrassed to tell you they don't know how to view the video. In closing, I hold dear that statement that Barry Diller gave as few months ago and is buried in the archive. A quote from InterActiveCorp CEO Barry Diller: There is not that much talent in the world, and talent always outs. There are very few really talented people in closets that don't get out. When we are talking about mass audience, which is the system of entertainment we have known for some time, when you are really making a television program or a game there will be relatively few people [able to do that] because there is simply not enough talent.
Re: [videoblogging] new freevlog!
In another moment of amazing synchronicity, I was listening to Every Breath You Take from the Police's 1983 album Synchronicity when I read all this. On 3/20/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice! In a moment of amazing synchronicity, I found your announcement just as I was coming to show Freevlog to the first of my friends who has ever expressed an interest in video blogging. Just yesterday I posted a message here saying how none of my friends has ever been interested. So. If you build it, they will come! Looks very pretty and as easy to use as ever. You guys are brilliant. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/ On 20 Mar 2007, at 04:08, ryanne hodson wrote: hey all check out the new freevlog http://www.freevlog.org/ we made a much needed update to the tutorials: http://freevlog.org/tutorial we're still working on a couple extras but the basics are there and boy do they look good!!! so send your friends and feel proud about the OUTSTANDING QUALITY that is FreeVlog.org. -ryanne and verdi -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Vote Different Editting
Don't give too much credit to that YouTube Video. It's 99% an EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO PRODUCE television commercial that ran on-air ages ago. All they did to it was replace the soundtrack with Hillary Clinton speaking and superimpose her image on the screen the people were watching. Oh. They added some text also. *yawn*. They're calling this a mash-up, but it isn't. You could do the same thing with a static shot of Prince playing the halftime show @ this year's Super Bowl. Find a shot where nothing moves, and there's a screen present in the background. Use any editing system that allows you to change the location, size, rotation and perspective of the video you want to be on the screen to make that video cover exactly the location of the screen in the background. Et Voila... You're on the big screen @ the Super Bowl eating potato chips while Prince is in the foreground singing and playing. PS - Don't forget to remove the image just before the frame of the explosion, so it looks like they blew up your actual video. Technology's advanced a lot since the original commercial was made, but at the time, hardware for broadcast quality editing and special effects was VRY expensive. If you include building the set, hiring the actors, shooting on film (high speed film to get smooth slow motion), special effects explosions and lighting effects (make the crowd light up as if a screen actually exploded), film to video transfer, color timing, messenger fees... oh... it was a commercial, so paying the Account Execs, Writers, Art Directors, Supervisors, Producers, Editor(s), paying for the Edit Suite @ ~300/hr, Sushi for lunch and whatever else I forgot about editing commercials. It's safe to say that that YouTube Video cost more to make than most people's houses. Literally. That's not to say that we can't make good videos with the equipment that's available to us, including iMovie and Windows Movie Maker. The point is that that particular video was made with minimal effort to piggyback on an already successful MSM commercial... similar to MC Hammer rapping over already established records like Super Freak and having that record be a hit. -- Bill C. http://TheLab.ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Aldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the YouTube video, Vote Different, is sure getting a lot of attention. People have talked about how with YouTube, anyone can now make and distribute great videos. I must admit, I think it is an incredible video, but with all of my limited video editing ability, there is no way that I could make such video. So, my question to everyone on the list: What sort of tools do you think were used to create the video, (or what tools would you have used?) How do we help others learn to use such tools and be more creative in the videos the produce? Aldon
[videoblogging] Re: new freevlog!
AMAZING! I just so happened to be TAKING a breath when I read THIS! :O --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In another moment of amazing synchronicity, I was listening to Every Breath You Take from the Police's 1983 album Synchronicity when I read all this. On 3/20/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice! In a moment of amazing synchronicity, I found your announcement just as I was coming to show Freevlog to the first of my friends who has ever expressed an interest in video blogging. Just yesterday I posted a message here saying how none of my friends has ever been interested. So. If you build it, they will come! Looks very pretty and as easy to use as ever. You guys are brilliant. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/ On 20 Mar 2007, at 04:08, ryanne hodson wrote: hey all check out the new freevlog http://www.freevlog.org/ we made a much needed update to the tutorials: http://freevlog.org/tutorial we're still working on a couple extras but the basics are there and boy do they look good!!! so send your friends and feel proud about the OUTSTANDING QUALITY that is FreeVlog.org. -ryanne and verdi -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Vote Different Editting
There's lots of ways you can criticize the vote different video, but I'm surprised you'd go after the technical prowess of the creator. Yes, it's true that they used a very expensive professional advertisement as source material. So what? The real measure of success is whether it gets the message across. Evidently it does, given the level of attention it's getting. If you can communicate your message using found source material, is that any less valid than hiring a producer, crew, and editor, and doing everything from scratch? Thanks to decades of commercial TV, there's tons of old footage out there which could be recycled into new products (copyright issues aside). It's nothing new, and we're only going to see more of it. -Peter On Mar 20, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Bill Cammack wrote: Don't give too much credit to that YouTube Video. It's 99% an EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO PRODUCE television commercial that ran on-air ages ago. All they did to it was replace the soundtrack with Hillary Clinton speaking and superimpose her image on the screen the people were watching. Oh. They added some text also. *yawn*. They're calling this a mash-up, but it isn't. You could do the same thing with a static shot of Prince playing the halftime show @ this year's Super Bowl. Find a shot where nothing moves, and there's a screen present in the background. Use any editing system that allows you to change the location, size, rotation and perspective of the video you want to be on the screen to make that video cover exactly the location of the screen in the background. Et Voila... You're on the big screen @ the Super Bowl eating potato chips while Prince is in the foreground singing and playing. PS - Don't forget to remove the image just before the frame of the explosion, so it looks like they blew up your actual video. Technology's advanced a lot since the original commercial was made, but at the time, hardware for broadcast quality editing and special effects was VRY expensive. If you include building the set, hiring the actors, shooting on film (high speed film to get smooth slow motion), special effects explosions and lighting effects (make the crowd light up as if a screen actually exploded), film to video transfer, color timing, messenger fees... oh... it was a commercial, so paying the Account Execs, Writers, Art Directors, Supervisors, Producers, Editor(s), paying for the Edit Suite @ ~300/hr, Sushi for lunch and whatever else I forgot about editing commercials. It's safe to say that that YouTube Video cost more to make than most people's houses. Literally. That's not to say that we can't make good videos with the equipment that's available to us, including iMovie and Windows Movie Maker. The point is that that particular video was made with minimal effort to piggyback on an already successful MSM commercial... similar to MC Hammer rapping over already established records like Super Freak and having that record be a hit. -- Bill C. http://TheLab.ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Aldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the YouTube video, Vote Different, is sure getting a lot of attention. People have talked about how with YouTube, anyone can now make and distribute great videos. I must admit, I think it is an incredible video, but with all of my limited video editing ability, there is no way that I could make such video. So, my question to everyone on the list: What sort of tools do you think were used to create the video, (or what tools would you have used?) How do we help others learn to use such tools and be more creative in the videos the produce? Aldon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Jeff Pulver petition that Internet Video is not Subject to FCC Regulation
Yesterday at VON Jeff Pulver mentioned the petition to the FCC to not regulate Internet Video. Today Jeff's blog has a post on the petition: http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/006642.html and here's the fcc petition: http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/network2/Network2%20Petition.pdf From what I gather the 2004 Jeff Pulver petition to not have VOIP (voice over IP) regulated led to that ruling by the FCC: http://www.techlawjournal.com/topstories/2004/20040212b.asp Allowing services like Skype to develop without FCC regulation. -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com
[videoblogging] Re: Eric Rice is a star /flashmeeting remixed
Cool. Great having French vloggers on FlashMeeting. -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest flashmeeting on saturday remixed by my friend Michael Borrras AKA Systaime at the Festival Videoformes 2007 French trash touch http://frenchtrashtouch.blip.tv/file/174717/ Enjoy it Loiez
Re: [videoblogging] provocative statements...
On Mar 19, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Gena wrote: Good vlogs are not easy to find for novice users. You have to have the right players on the system. Bandwidth issues. And even if you send them the link they are too embarrassed to tell you they don't know how to view the video. Maybe it's time for another round of effort from this community to solve this. Blip is working to promote videoblogs/shows that host on their site and (with huge buttons) get people to subscribe using a player. Network2 just had a video contest soliciting video submissions that explain to people how to watch video on the internet so a lot of different things have been done, yet I totally agree with you Gena -- this is a big issue. People do flock to YouTube in part because it's easy to use and easy to surf. A zillion media companies are all trying to be the next hot mix of YouTube and __(fill in any television channel here)__. What are other ways to crack this nut? Freevlog solved the problem of teaching people how to videoblog on mass. And Node 101, all the workshops and classes we've all been teaching. What does it mean for us all to work on the issue of teaching people how to find and watch as hard as we worked on teaching people to vlog. How can we educate people to fluently use / consume / watch / comment / participate -- even when they have no inclination to create their own videoblog. Or as Irina would ask how can you teach my mother to watch videoblogs? If the videoblogging community could virally go all at this issue, posting videos, creating a wing of freevlog, explaining how to use your iPod to watch video, how to find videoblogs, how to use an Apple TV, how to hook up a PC to a TV, etc etc -- we could transform this and tip the scales in favor of independent shows / free floating videoblogs (not on a network) / lots and lots of tools and spaces. Jen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] call out
hi all well, been absolutely mute here for months, apologies, babies, teaching, and so on. however, some of you might be interested in the subject I am currently running. It goes by the dull name of Integrated Media One (yes, there is a part two later this year). Second year media undergrads. Basically video blogging based. So, there's a teaching blog where I have a few notes, of course my blog, and I'm also posting examples of student work as it arrives and arises. We are moving into eZedia to make more complex works (starting this week), and most of their practice is currently based around specific constraints. The constraints to date have been: Wednesday at 18:10 (a one minute work about what you were doing at that time) Things That Quicken The Heart (2 video work, one containing text and image, the other only video and put together in eZedia) Sample Movies (a visual sample is made every 5 minutes for an hour x 2, and then placed together in eZedia) More constraints coming, and soon students will be sitting down and spending a lot more time thinking reflectively on their practice (at the moment they are busy learning the tech. ropes). If you vist the blog the MashedMedia tag provides the media, while the 2007 IntMedia tag should provide course commentary, hand outs etc. Questions, comments welcomed (this is the third year we've done this and the 4th or 5th year I've taught video blogging within this media undergrad program). But right now I know most of the students would be shocked to realise anyone outside of themselves saw this content :-) Some of the material is naive, some is very good, most is average but a good start for students who signed up for radio/TV in a media program and aren't generally convinced they have to get their heads around this new fangled stuff. The blog is at http://media.rmit.edu.au/mog/ btw, a brief (incomplete) collection of my academic work on videblogging is gathering at http://vogmae.net.au/content/category/4/23/27/ more being added in coming weeks. -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] my two cents
with all due respect to the indepedent video bloggers here . (independent meaning on your own website or blog) you tube has yet to let me down with it entertaining yet meaningful videos- sometimes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzHjIj3fpR8NR its funny that people have no clue as to how big video on the net (vlogging, videocasting etc. is, when in fact it has been proven how interested people are in others peoples lives such examples below... -reality tv- people court real world lost (not to mention the first reality show) COPS! -america's funniest home video which i'm pretty sure that i've seen some of those same videos highlighted being once aired on AFHV. just my two cents. but i guess if i had three more thoughts i'd have a nickel - huh from the couple of vloggers that have identified their selves here, 1.where are the black vloggers, 2.where are the mexican vloggers 3.where are the asian vloggers of this community - just my nickel worth of questions on the diversity of this community that i take so much away from. happy vlogging! On Mar 20, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Gena wrote: It's true according to Yahoo. I want a special award to the best of the Shakira clones. The bigger the man belly the better. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_hi_te/youtube_awards Gena Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Vote Different Editting
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Leppik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's lots of ways you can criticize the vote different video, but I'm surprised you'd go after the technical prowess of the creator. :) I didn't criticize the 'technical prowess' of the creator. I didn't say that the person doesn't have any skills. There are lots of talented musicians that release very simple music on their albums, because that's what their audience understands and responds to. That doesn't mean those same musicians don't have the 'technical prowess' to play amazing music. Yes, it's true that they used a very expensive professional advertisement as source material. So what? So What? is that the original poster asked SPECIFICALLY, and you still have it quoted below in your reply... What sort of tools do you think were used to create the video, (or what tools would you have used?) How do we help others learn to use such tools and be more creative in the videos the produce? Therefore... The answer is what I said it is. It's my opinion that professional editing and compositing programs were used to create that video, which at the time probably amounted to over $300,000, including the price at the time for Avid's Media Composer series or Lightworks or whatever else they might have used that was WAY outside the public's ability to purchase. Now... is it possible that they re-created the video themselves? Sure. :) If they did, it's a weak attempt, because you can see Hillary Clinton bouncing all over the place as they attempt to rotoscope her into the monitors that are moving in the shot coming down the hall. If they didn't... All they did was cut and paste some video over an already created video, and to respond to the poster as if they made this thing from scratch with Windows Movie Maker and a few of their friends for not very much money is disingenuous. If you want to see GOOD, DIY Special Effects, watch GALACTICAST! http://galacticast.com. There are way more effects in several Galacticast episodes that I've watched that require way more thought, preparation, effort and skill than went into that one commercial mash up. What would you rather I would have responded with that would have been truthful and wouldn't have seemed like I was attacking someone for doing what it is that I feel that they did? I'm actually interested in what you would have said. The real measure of success is whether it gets the message across. Evidently it does, given the level of attention it's getting. Of course it does. That commercial was HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL when it was initially released. The market research is already done. The focus groups have already watched this video, which is why it made it to air. People already acccepted it, what? 20 years ago? and received the message that was in the original video, and they're receiving the message now. That's why I said it was like MC Hammer. If you rhyme over Super Freak, people are going to like your record... because... they like Super Freak. It doesn't matter if your rhymes are good or not. Similarly, steal the treatment and shot selection from a well-known and highly-successful commercial, and you'll have. another highly successful commercial. Just don't try to get credit for it as if you came up with this off the top of your head. AND... Don't advertise to DIY videomakers that what they watched was created from scratch. It gives the wrong impression, AND makes people wonder why they can't get their video to look like video x, even though they are posting to the same website. Just because it's on YouTube doesn't make it a YouTube Video. That's why they're getting sued right now. Why don't you tell the poster how he can make a UFC title fight video with his iMovie? :) If you can communicate your message using found source material, is that any less valid than hiring a producer, crew, and editor, and doing everything from scratch? No. I said nothing about the effectiveness of the video. I agree with what you said there. However Nobody asked about message communication. Read it again. The poster asked What sort of tools do you think were used to create the video? The message was communicated well, and continues to be communicated because it's a news story that people keep bringing up. The fact that they used found material is giving the video as much life as the fact that it's about a politician. This is just as good as lite-brites spread out around Boston! :D Thanks to decades of commercial TV, there's tons of old footage out there which could be recycled into new products (copyright issues aside). It's nothing new, and we're only going to see more of it. -Peter And I think that's a good thing. Is that your answer to the poster's question about tools to use to make a video like that??? ???Google??? :D -- Bill C. http://TheLab.ReelSolid.TV On Mar 20, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Bill Cammack wrote:
[videoblogging] Re: my two cents
YouTube is a rich stew o' flavors and interactions. I'm a big fan. I don't see why you couldn't call them vloggers too. It's all video on the web w/comments. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, JOHNNIE WARNER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with all due respect to the indepedent video bloggers here . (independent meaning on your own website or blog) you tube has yet to let me down with it entertaining yet meaningful videos- sometimes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzHjIj3fpR8NR its funny that people have no clue as to how big video on the net (vlogging, videocasting etc. is, when in fact it has been proven how interested people are in others peoples lives such examples below... -reality tv- people court real world lost (not to mention the first reality show) COPS! -america's funniest home video which i'm pretty sure that i've seen some of those same videos highlighted being once aired on AFHV. just my two cents. but i guess if i had three more thoughts i'd have a nickel - huh from the couple of vloggers that have identified their selves here, 1.where are the black vloggers, 2.where are the mexican vloggers 3.where are the asian vloggers of this community - just my nickel worth of questions on the diversity of this community that i take so much away from. happy vlogging! On Mar 20, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Gena wrote: It's true according to Yahoo. I want a special award to the best of the Shakira clones. The bigger the man belly the better. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_hi_te/youtube_awards Gena Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] new freevlog!
How my poor heart aches, with all the fun you make. I'll be watching you. On 20 Mar 2007, at 14:18, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage wrote: In another moment of amazing synchronicity, I was listening to Every Breath You Take from the Police's 1983 album Synchronicity when I read all this. On 3/20/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice! In a moment of amazing synchronicity, I found your announcement just as I was coming to show Freevlog to the first of my friends who has ever expressed an interest in video blogging. Just yesterday I posted a message here saying how none of my friends has ever been interested. So. If you build it, they will come! Looks very pretty and as easy to use as ever. You guys are brilliant. Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/ On 20 Mar 2007, at 04:08, ryanne hodson wrote: hey all check out the new freevlog http://www.freevlog.org/ we made a much needed update to the tutorials: http://freevlog.org/tutorial we're still working on a couple extras but the basics are there and boy do they look good!!! so send your friends and feel proud about the OUTSTANDING QUALITY that is FreeVlog.org. -ryanne and verdi -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: my two cents
.well you know johnny(which is a great name, spelled a little funny but still a great name) when i look at the videos and discuss with my circle of friends, vlogging seems to be used synonymously with youtube ie. Hey johnnie, did you youtube that new software for the treo or Johnnie, i've seen your youtube on creating and viewing your email on youtube.(i know it sound kinda ridicuoulous, but that is what videocasting/vlogging has been refered to outside of this group and those associated with it. Almost like .blackberry, being coined as the modern day smartphone/handheld or ipod being coined as mp3 player. Its nothing more than perception being ones reality, which bring me back to my original questions again which is a perceived reality in a sense for me. Where are the minority bloggers - is their a group, inner circle or clique kinda like the blogher movement??? just a questions So i guess that make this my 6cents now huh... thanks johnny for the reply On Mar 20, 2007, at 11:22 AM, jonny goldstein wrote: YouTube is a rich stew o' flavors and interactions. I'm a big fan. I don't see why you couldn't call them vloggers too. It's all video on the web w/comments. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, JOHNNIE WARNER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with all due respect to the indepedent video bloggers here . (independent meaning on your own website or blog) you tube has yet to let me down with it entertaining yet meaningful videos- sometimes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzHjIj3fpR8NR its funny that people have no clue as to how big video on the net (vlogging, videocasting etc. is, when in fact it has been proven how interested people are in others peoples lives such examples below... -reality tv- people court real world lost (not to mention the first reality show) COPS! -america's funniest home video which i'm pretty sure that i've seen some of those same videos highlighted being once aired on AFHV. just my two cents. but i guess if i had three more thoughts i'd have a nickel - huh from the couple of vloggers that have identified their selves here, 1.where are the black vloggers, 2.where are the mexican vloggers 3.where are the asian vloggers of this community - just my nickel worth of questions on the diversity of this community that i take so much away from. happy vlogging! On Mar 20, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Gena wrote: It's true according to Yahoo. I want a special award to the best of the Shakira clones. The bigger the man belly the better. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_hi_te/youtube_awards Gena Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Looking for Howto vids
Hey Gang, I don't post very often here. I'm Bre and I do the Make: Magazine Video Podcast. Last month I started a new show for my podcast called What Do You Make? and in it I look at the diy howto vids that people in the world are making. If you've got a howto vid you'd like me check out, drop me a note - bre (at) makezine (dot) com. Thanks! Bre http://makezine.com http://imakethings.com http://photogamer.com
[videoblogging] Re: Jeff Pulver petition that Internet Video is not Subject to FCC Regulation
Good initiative, as clarity is good and there are various businesses and creators who may want reassurance in this area that their plans arent going to be killed by regulation. Ive been reading up on the proposed EU directive, as it was mentioned in the petition. Being in the UK this is obviously more directly relevent to me, although as most of the sservice providers content creators are stateside I am obviously interested in what happens there too. So having studied the EU draft document, here are my thoughts on its aims and implications Firstly non-commercial use, private websites, or people making non-comemrcial videos to exchange information etc within a community, are exempt. So that would cover quite a chunk of vloggers but not everybody. If you dont fit into that opt-out, but you dont have any traditional broadcast tv networks transitting your programming, so only offer 'non-linear' (ie on demand or internet) stuff, then you have to follow some of the rules in the directive, but are exempt from lots of other rules. The sorts of rules youd have to stick to (or risk investigation by the national regulator in your country) are: Protection of minors No hate speech, racism etc No tobacco advertising No prescription drug advertising Follow code on not advertising crappy foods to kids Clear distinction between the advertising and the show Rules about product placement Rules about sponsorship No sponsiorship of news or current event programs Required to promote European-made shows and make sure they make up a sizeable chunk of the content you offer Then like I said there are a load more regulations for those broadcasting 'linear' content, covering all the sorts of traditonal TV regulation, so more restrictions on advertising amounts, protecting minors, and a whole bunch of stuff to create a 'competitive market'. At several points in the document they make it clear that they are mostly interested in mass media, and the sorts of traditional media/tv companies that are used to regulation, and these services moving onto the internet etc. Quite a lot of it is to do with relaxing certain advertising constraints in the face of things like viewers being able to skip adverts more easily. But certainly it lays the ground for a future where the content that individuals make, if they are trying to reach a sizeable audience, being regulated. I assume that in reality much of this is already covered by existing laws, as in the EU whilst there is free speech stuff in the Human Rights declaration, there are plenty of laws that ban all sorts of expressions of opinion, such as racism, incitement to kill or injure people, holocaust denial, fraudulent advertising, child porn. Anyway if such a thing as the EU stuff were proposed in the USA, it would certainly potentially impact a service like network2, so I dont blame them for seeking clarity. From a content creators point of view, those making risky content already face the potential to have existing laws used against them, or to have their service terminated due to offended viewes moaning to their video service provider or ISP, etc etc. Any new legislation will have the biggest impact on commercial services/sites and on advertising, although this would obviously have a knowck-on effect to content creators in the end. And I dont know where Janet Jacksons nipple fits into all of this. What part of the communications regulations that govern TV did this come under? To me this is the other sort of regulation and control, which can be slipped in via things like 'child protection' clauses. It remains unclear to me whether the net will be a suitable candidate for this level of control and censorship, it hasnt worked in the past but then we are still in wild frontier times. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday at VON Jeff Pulver mentioned the petition to the FCC to not regulate Internet Video. Today Jeff's blog has a post on the petition: http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/006642.html and here's the fcc petition: http://pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/network2/Network2%20Petition.pdf From what I gather the 2004 Jeff Pulver petition to not have VOIP (voice over IP) regulated led to that ruling by the FCC: http://www.techlawjournal.com/topstories/2004/20040212b.asp Allowing services like Skype to develop without FCC regulation. -- Enric -==- http://cirne.com
[videoblogging] Re: Jeff Pulver petition that Internet Video is not Subject to FCC Regulation
Oops a little more waffle left in me on this one.. The reasons to oppose regulation are pretty well laid out in the network2 petition. I imagine the 'US leads way, good for US economy' stuff is overstated because thats a standard argument to use in such rallies against regulation, although its also true, though nobody quite knows how much real economic worth such things have yet. Reasons to support regulation include the protection against consumers being mislead by advertising beyond the currently acceptable amount. Personally Id rather have strong regulation to discourage all sorts of unsavioury and exploitative business practice, although Im well aware that this can have many negative implications. As a consumer I want protection against subliminal advertising, I want clear information about sponsorship info, I want the advert and the program to have clear seperation. Granted I am a cynic who would have no more confidence in a voluntary code of uncorruptable bloggers than I would in any other voluntary code that is created by traditional industry to try to stave off real legislation that has teeth. But where does this stance lead to? Amanda Congdon is now in various DuPont adverts on the internets, at least I know they are adverts, I dont want to live in a future world where its impossible to know whats an advert and whats a show. Still as an Englishman Im not too sure of my own stance here so maybe I stand even less chance of any citizens of the USA joining me if any of that stuff about the free market and deregulation that gets spouted over there is actually believed by the multitude and not just the few with access to the traditonal quack amplifier. Lets see if at least 27 years of loud 'big government is evil' rhetoric will enable sadvertisers to get away with more in a deregulated wonderworld of the future. I hear theres a flat tax in Iraq now, wooo lucky Iraqi's, not. Cheers Steve Elbows
[videoblogging] Re: Steven Bochco doing online program
Oy. This article made me want to take a mental shower. http://tinyurl.com/2zanfw bekah -- http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, joshpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who didn't catch it, Steven Bochco has decided to enter the online video world: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3i56b3e1536d8623e9567a84d4f2d09280 -or- http://tinyurl.com/2257v9 Maybe this online video thing is something we should look at doing... (Steven Bochco is the guy behind Hill Street Blues and L.A. Law) -- joshpaul
Re: [videoblogging] justin.tv
have you guys been following this? its kinda freaking weird... http://justin.tv/ ive been watching it today. he's really building on the Jenny Cam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JenniCam) from 10 years ago. 2 questions: --how does he transmit that video wirelessly...and away from wifi? --how many live streams could they possibly handle? jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
[videoblogging] Re: Steven Bochco doing online program
Oy. This article made me want to take a mental shower. http://tinyurl.com/2zanfw bekah -- http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, joshpaul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who didn't catch it, Steven Bochco has decided to enter the online video world: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3i56b3e1536d8623e9567a84d4f2d09280 -or- http://tinyurl.com/2257v9 Maybe this online video thing is something we should look at doing... (Steven Bochco is the guy behind Hill Street Blues and L.A. Law) -- joshpaul
Re: [videoblogging] justin.tv
i'm guessing the mobile footage is from wireless hotspots and tag-along hardware. no idea how many streams they can handle but they could throttle it so they dont crash etc. On 3/20/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you guys been following this? its kinda freaking weird... http://justin.tv/ ive been watching it today. he's really building on the Jenny Cam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JenniCam) from 10 years ago. 2 questions: --how does he transmit that video wirelessly...and away from wifi? --how many live streams could they possibly handle? jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: my two cents
Hell, I can't even get filmmakers to vlog. Or YouTube (as verb) either. There are minority vloggers here. Speak up! Not everybody is interested in this list, I'll say that. Lots of vloggers springing up who don't play here. I'm here 'cause I'm in the habit of being on this list. Jan On 3/20/07, JOHNNIE WARNER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .well you know johnny(which is a great name, spelled a little funny but still a great name) when i look at the videos and discuss with my circle of friends, vlogging seems to be used synonymously with youtube ie. Hey johnnie, did you youtube that new software for the treo or Johnnie, i've seen your youtube on creating and viewing your email on youtube.(i know it sound kinda ridicuoulous, but that is what videocasting/vlogging has been refered to outside of this group and those associated with it. Almost like .blackberry, being coined as the modern day smartphone/handheld or ipod being coined as mp3 player. Its nothing more than perception being ones reality, which bring me back to my original questions again which is a perceived reality in a sense for me. Where are the minority bloggers - is their a group, inner circle or clique kinda like the blogher movement??? just a questions So i guess that make this my 6cents now huh... thanks johnny for the reply On Mar 20, 2007, at 11:22 AM, jonny goldstein wrote: YouTube is a rich stew o' flavors and interactions. I'm a big fan. I don't see why you couldn't call them vloggers too. It's all video on the web w/comments. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, JOHNNIE WARNER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with all due respect to the indepedent video bloggers here . (independent meaning on your own website or blog) you tube has yet to let me down with it entertaining yet meaningful videos- sometimes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzHjIj3fpR8NR its funny that people have no clue as to how big video on the net (vlogging, videocasting etc. is, when in fact it has been proven how interested people are in others peoples lives such examples below... -reality tv- people court real world lost (not to mention the first reality show) COPS! -america's funniest home video which i'm pretty sure that i've seen some of those same videos highlighted being once aired on AFHV. just my two cents. but i guess if i had three more thoughts i'd have a nickel - huh from the couple of vloggers that have identified their selves here, 1.where are the black vloggers, 2.where are the mexican vloggers 3.where are the asian vloggers of this community - just my nickel worth of questions on the diversity of this community that i take so much away from. happy vlogging! On Mar 20, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Gena wrote: It's true according to Yahoo. I want a special award to the best of the Shakira clones. The bigger the man belly the better. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_hi_te/youtube_awards Gena Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://fauxpress.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] who's got a project?
We just funded the latest project at http://havemoneywillvlog.com/. As always...we're always on the look for 2 things: --new projects to promote --or people wanting to get involved in promoting projects email me offlist of you have questions. or check out more info here: http://hmwv.pbwiki.com/Advocates Havemoneywillvlog.org is totally volunteer. all we do is promote projects we like...and connect donor and creator. we also like to help get visibility for cool videoblog projects. you can see past projects we've promoted here: http://havemoneywillvlog.com/category/funded/ Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June
Re: [videoblogging] provocative statements...
I'm going to revlog this and title it high profile idiots, and why infomercials need a stupid characters So, this from the guy at tech crunch!? All I have to say is I can't believe anyone from techcrunch or even being interviewed by tech crunch is such a huge damn idiot. If I took the time to refute every idiot who came along I'd have no time for anything else. It's be about as stupid as reading every blog on the web or watching every videoblog by people I don't know and aren't about anything that interests me. Which come to think of it exactly what this tech crunch guy souds like he's doing. That said... he's a high profile idiot... so I'll take a breather to point out two common themes that I see here also held by other all to common idiots. 1) If vlogs don't entertain me then what's the point? Retort: This asshat thinks videoblogging is all about entertainment. He has NO understanding that 99.99% of all videoblogs are not meant to be entertaining. Just like audio podcasts and blogging 99.99% of all blogs are simple interpersonal communications that so happen to be public. To judge them on how well they measure up to Lost or even Ze Frank is something only an idiot would do. The key word there is this is about COMMUNICATIONS. This guy sounds like idiot journalists in 1999 that claimed that blogging was a failure because 99% of blogs failed to live up to his standards of journalistic integrity... or a novelist saying blogging was a failure because 99% of blogs failed to entertain him. Or better yet... like saying this whole world wide web thing is a fad because the majority of it was absolutely useless information... at least useless to me... therefore it must be crap right!? Why would anyone want to use the world wide web after all if 99.99% of web pages have no value whatsoever to them? I tried this world wide web thing, and I can say that it is unequivably a load of horse crap and a fad that isn't going anywhere, because all I saw was page after page of mindless useless drivel... oh... and don't even get me started on the spelling! I think we can conclude that the world wide web has no future potential. The irony is this guy should know better because he WRITES a FUCKING BLOG and these same ridiculous attacks were thrown at bloggers for years. Need I mention the Ghandi quote? First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. I guess here in the U.S. at large we're somewhere in the fighting stage. Established media are paying attention, they've stopped laughing at the likes of youtube ad started suing... just like the RIAA and MPAA and filesharing but what I cannot believe is this supposed silicon valley insider who should be well a head of the game could be so clueless and such an outsider... how he cannot get it is beyond me. Entertainment like news is just a TINY, TINY facet's of an entire communications spectrum that exist withing vlogging... just like blogging, and just like podcasting. It is NOT TV... just as a blog is not a newspaper, ad podcasting is not radio. I like to think it's the pretty moving pictures that causes people like this guy to get so stumped. People have been writing diaries, and taking photos for decades and centuries. Photography in particular people get... Josh Leo can post a picture of his cat to Flickr and this same guys won't bat an eye, but make an excellent and superb cat vlog and this same guy will flip out about what a pointless useless waste of bandwidth it is. Which brings me to my second point. 2) I don't like the majority of vlogs, therefore the entire medium is useless. Referring back to point number one vlogs (just like audio podcasts and blogs) cover a whole spectrum of public COMMUNICATIONS. As I like to put it they're interpersonal communications that just so happen to be public. So... when I hear some ass hat say who want's to watch a bunch of idiots sit around talking to their computer screen... I have to say... if you don't know the person, and aren't interested in what they have to say then what kind of IDIOT are you to waste your freaking time sitting around and watching it. OBviously the conversation is NOT for you! Maybe you should spend more time looking for something that DOES interest you. There is at this point enough vlogs that there's atleast one vlog that's bound to interest you. The problem is FINDING what interest you... tis isn't fucking tv... you don't just turn on the web with a remote and press play and expect the satelite of love to provide you with flickring yumiliocous images while your mind goes numb... again... do people's brains just instintually shut off when they see moving pictures? Nearly 100 years of being couch potatoes is not going to change overnight. So does this guy sit around and read every blog on the web and expect every blog to be mildly interesting and pertaining to him. If so he should go fucking watch LOST and come back when his friends,
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Eric Rice is a star /flashmeeting remixed
systaime is your friend? i love his videos on daily motion --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest flashmeeting on saturday remixed by my friend Michael Borrras AKA Systaime at the Festival Videoformes 2007 French trash touch http://frenchtrashtouch.blip.tv/file/174717/ Enjoy it Loiez -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] trine.blogs.com twitter.com/trine
[videoblogging] Re: Looking for Howto vids
You could check out http://www.skilltip.tv/. -- Bill C. http://TheLab.ReelSolid.TV --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, pettisb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Gang, I don't post very often here. I'm Bre and I do the Make: Magazine Video Podcast. Last month I started a new show for my podcast called What Do You Make? and in it I look at the diy howto vids that people in the world are making. If you've got a howto vid you'd like me check out, drop me a note - bre (at) makezine (dot) com. Thanks! Bre http://makezine.com http://imakethings.com http://photogamer.com
Re: [videoblogging] provocative statements...
On 3/19/07, Michael Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI In the comments on a short TechCrunch review (http://tinyurl.com/2bcqx5) about VLIP i read the following provocative statements: 'Erick' writes: Unless a person is at least the slightest bit entertaining, Vlogging stinks. I dont want to look at some weirdo sitting at home/work talking into a webcam about their lame day or skill or opinion. If you arent as entertaining as Ze Frank, then you stink and nobody wants to hear/see you... and David Scott Lexis writes: Video blogs have been a failure, as I noted in a couple of AlwaysOn Network columns. Videos are one thing; automatically downloading video blogs (or video podcasts; I prefer video podcasts) is too bandwidth intensive, too slow, takes up too much hard disk space. You want to leave your computer on all night to download video podcasts? Well, good for you … but you're in the minority. How many video podcasts have been successful? Do any have over 10,000 subscribers to their feed? Compare and contrast with standard blogs — such as this one. Matter of fact, are there any video podcasts that have even 1% of the subscribers that TechCrunch has? None that I'm aware of, and in my public blogroll I subscribe to a lot (http://www.bloglines.com/ public/DSL). Interesting note... but then I don't know what the CPM (cost per thousand views) or CPM (costs per click) is on ads on tech crunch's blog... but I I'm pretty sure it's $2 - $5 cpm if even that. Whereas a video CPM is generally about $50 to even $80. The point is irregardless of how far my numbers are off comparing subscribership on a video feed versa a blog feed is bunk. It's apples and oranges. Again... the guy is an idiot. :) Mind you, this might be a decent idea, but until bandwidth, hard disk space and all sorts of other limitations are overcome (like the need for better and easier production techniques), it will remain a novelty for the SXSW crowd (and they're not early adopters, they're way-too-early adopters; in the 70's they would have been touting the wonders of AI). BTW, I still subscribe to several video podcasts for my iPod. But I suspect that I'm in the minority; I know very few people outside of the Bay area who subscribe to more than a few (if any) — and I don't know anyone in China (where I currently live) who subscribes to any … not even one. YouTube, thumbs up; video blogs video podcasts, thumbs down (too early). Remember, so-called and self-anointed pioneers usually wind up with arrows in their back. Besides, how many people really have good TV/video presence? Not a lot. Good podcasters are a subset of good bloggers, but good vloggers are a subset of good podcasters: That's a tiny set... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] justin.tv
that is to crazy.. give it one month - and if the concept isn't purchased from someone or some company, then very well believe that they'll be raking in rocketboom type dollars for advertising. the concept is ingenious. Now only if i could see day to day activity of Jada Pinkett(i guess i'll say it smith) On Mar 20, 2007, at 1:06 PM, sull wrote: i'm guessing the mobile footage is from wireless hotspots and tag- along hardware. no idea how many streams they can handle but they could throttle it so they dont crash etc. On 3/20/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you guys been following this? its kinda freaking weird... http://justin.tv/ ive been watching it today. he's really building on the Jenny Cam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JenniCam) from 10 years ago. 2 questions: --how does he transmit that video wirelessly...and away from wifi? --how many live streams could they possibly handle? jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://pixelodeonfest.com/ Webvideo festival this June -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Vote Different Editting
Bill, et al, I'm glad the discussion came back to my question about tools to use to make a video like that. Yes, I know that the video was a reworking of the classic 1984 Apple advertisement. I know that a lot went into making the original advertisement. What I was trying to ask, and I haven't found a good answer, is how does one go about making a new video, like Vote Different through editing existing videos. The closest I've gotten, so far is from someone off the list suggesting that After Effects could probably be used to do something like that. Could this have been done with After Effects? How much work is it to get proficient enough in something like After Effects to modify a video the way they did? Are there other tools that are better? Are there open source tools? To get more specific, at about three seconds into the video, you see the drones marching in with three video monitors in the upper left hand section of the screen. These monitors have a video of Hillary playing in them. How difficult is it to take a video and add it into a section of another video? At about 6 seconds, 15 seconds, 20 seconds, and 38 seconds the image of the runner is modified to have an iPod and an Obama graphic. How difficult was this? How much of this do you need to do on a frame by frame basis, and how much can be automated with something like After Effects? On a more general basis, how many of you on this list have done this sort of editting to any of your videos? How many of you know how to do it? Aldon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that your answer to the poster's question about tools to use to make a video like that???
[videoblogging] Friends of Alive in Baghdad Viral vid's
Shameless self promotion: Can you guys digg this? http://digg.com/politics/Ask_a_Ninja_and_Invisible_Engine_inspired_by_Alive_in_Baghdad Our videos have gone really well today--thanks to everyone who checked 'em out:) Cheers, Sarah From: Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] provocative statements... Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:45:52 -0400 On 3/19/07, Michael Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI In the comments on a short TechCrunch review (http://tinyurl.com/2bcqx5) about VLIP i read the following provocative statements: 'Erick' writes: Unless a person is at least the slightest bit entertaining, Vlogging stinks. I dont want to look at some weirdo sitting at home/work talking into a webcam about their lame day or skill or opinion. If you arent as entertaining as Ze Frank, then you stink and nobody wants to hear/see you... and David Scott Lexis writes: Video blogs have been a failure, as I noted in a couple of AlwaysOn Network columns. Videos are one thing; automatically downloading video blogs (or video podcasts; I prefer video podcasts) is too bandwidth intensive, too slow, takes up too much hard disk space. You want to leave your computer on all night to download video podcasts? Well, good for you but you're in the minority. How many video podcasts have been successful? Do any have over 10,000 subscribers to their feed? Compare and contrast with standard blogs such as this one. Matter of fact, are there any video podcasts that have even 1% of the subscribers that TechCrunch has? None that I'm aware of, and in my public blogroll I subscribe to a lot (http://www.bloglines.com/ public/DSL). Interesting note... but then I don't know what the CPM (cost per thousand views) or CPM (costs per click) is on ads on tech crunch's blog... but I I'm pretty sure it's $2 - $5 cpm if even that. Whereas a video CPM is generally about $50 to even $80. The point is irregardless of how far my numbers are off comparing subscribership on a video feed versa a blog feed is bunk. It's apples and oranges. Again... the guy is an idiot. :) Mind you, this might be a decent idea, but until bandwidth, hard disk space and all sorts of other limitations are overcome (like the need for better and easier production techniques), it will remain a novelty for the SXSW crowd (and they're not early adopters, they're way-too-early adopters; in the 70's they would have been touting the wonders of AI). BTW, I still subscribe to several video podcasts for my iPod. But I suspect that I'm in the minority; I know very few people outside of the Bay area who subscribe to more than a few (if any) and I don't know anyone in China (where I currently live) who subscribes to any not even one. YouTube, thumbs up; video blogs video podcasts, thumbs down (too early). Remember, so-called and self-anointed pioneers usually wind up with arrows in their back. Besides, how many people really have good TV/video presence? Not a lot. Good podcasters are a subset of good bloggers, but good vloggers are a subset of good podcasters: That's a tiny set... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links S _ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstaglineocid=T002MSN03A07001 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Video Awards
For the record, I'm not hating on the YT crowd. It is a platform, a community and a common meeting ground. A co-worker who had never been on YT received an email from a pilot friend that someone in his crowd posted a video on a multiple system failure landing. That community is now checking out that video from around the world. I couldn't drag him to my vlog if I wanted to. But when a friend told him that there is a video about aeronautics he was there in a heartbeat. Content, it is about relevant content to the users. That is a very positive aspect of YT. The social aspect of it is intriguing. The level of comments posted I could do without but trolls are trolls. I hate, abhor, do not like and otherwise don't care for the terms of services. I have said that many, many times. Until that changes and the users are factored into any profits that are generated by the videos I'll stand on the other side of the fence. Happily. The other questions: The short answer is yes. There are range of people of color/ethnicity/terrestrial and extraterrestrial in the group. In one sense I wished it didn't matter what the background of the vlogger is. I will be honest enough to say that for my initial blog and conversations here I did not identify myself as African-American mainly for self-defense purposes. I wanted the blog/vlog judge for content not personality or gender or anything else. As time went on I began to understand that if I choses to continue to do this then I had to step forward. Because people, mainly male tech people kept saying there were no women vloggers or vloggers of color. We are here. More are coming.
[videoblogging] Re: Jeff Pulver petition that Internet Video is not Subject to FCC Regulation
Oh it seems that the Amanda Congdon DuPont adverts has caused some to start ranting about the sorts of advertising issues the EU draft legislation proposes to cover in our part of the world. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/03/abcs-rocketboomer-powered-by-dupont.php So there seems to be a situation where Amanda is allowed to do corporate ad work wheras other ABC staff arent allowed to do that sort of thing in case it calls ABC's impartiality into question? As for the actual adverts, hard har they are a modern equivalent of those corporate public info films from the middle of last century that can be found in the prelinger archive. And DuPont is an easy corporation for critics to attack from multiple angles, so I doubt she's going to get a particularily easy ride in the blogosphere over this one. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amanda Congdon is now in various DuPont adverts on the internets, at least I know they are adverts, I dont want to live in a future world where its impossible to know whats an advert and whats a show. Still as an Englishman Im not too sure of my own stance here so maybe I stand even less chance of any citizens of the USA joining me if any of that stuff about the free market and deregulation that gets spouted over there is actually believed by the multitude and not just the few with access to the traditonal quack amplifier. Lets see if at least 27 years of loud 'big government is evil' rhetoric will enable sadvertisers to get away with more in a deregulated wonderworld of the future. I hear theres a flat tax in Iraq now, wooo lucky Iraqi's, not. Cheers Steve Elbows
[videoblogging] Re: call out
I tried to leave a comment on and the heart quickens but I think visitors have to be a member of Word Press or something? Anyway, I checked out a few of the videos and so far I think that she executed the concept well. I have to say that I don't like the scary bugger in videos but this worked fine. I wish more videos would play with text and images. Oh, yeah the video below it work quite nice too. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all well, been absolutely mute here for months, apologies, babies, teaching, and so on. however, some of you might be interested in the subject I am currently running. It goes by the dull name of Integrated Media One (yes, there is a part two later this year). Second year media undergrads. Basically video blogging based. So, there's a teaching blog where I have a few notes, of course my blog, and I'm also posting examples of student work as it arrives and arises. We are moving into eZedia to make more complex works (starting this week), and most of their practice is currently based around specific constraints. The constraints to date have been: Wednesday at 18:10 (a one minute work about what you were doing at that time) Things That Quicken The Heart (2 video work, one containing text and image, the other only video and put together in eZedia) Sample Movies (a visual sample is made every 5 minutes for an hour x 2, and then placed together in eZedia) More constraints coming, and soon students will be sitting down and spending a lot more time thinking reflectively on their practice (at the moment they are busy learning the tech. ropes). If you vist the blog the MashedMedia tag provides the media, while the 2007 IntMedia tag should provide course commentary, hand outs etc. Questions, comments welcomed (this is the third year we've done this and the 4th or 5th year I've taught video blogging within this media undergrad program). But right now I know most of the students would be shocked to realise anyone outside of themselves saw this content :-) Some of the material is naive, some is very good, most is average but a good start for students who signed up for radio/TV in a media program and aren't generally convinced they have to get their heads around this new fangled stuff. The blog is at http://media.rmit.edu.au/mog/ btw, a brief (incomplete) collection of my academic work on videblogging is gathering at http://vogmae.net.au/content/category/4/23/27/ more being added in coming weeks. -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: my two cents
around the 20/3/07 Steve Watkins mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: my two cents that: --- In mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell, I can't even get filmmakers to vlog. Or YouTube (as verb) either. Im fascinated by this sort of phenomenon, have you been able to delve into any of the reasons why this seems to be the case? Its certainly something that surprised me, I imagined some huge surge of thousands of people who are involved with other creative or arts stuff, , gettng excited about using internet video to showcase their work. It happens, but nowhere near ont he scale I pictured. film makers fetishise film (or video) and so are much like authors in 1995 when the web first came to attention (to them). So a film maker wants to a) maintain control over the viewer (my work is 22 minutes and you really should see the whole 22 minutes - what do you mean they might go somewhere else? what do you mean they might actually be able to rearrange *my* vision??) b) like the author regards publication (a book) as the top of their tree, film professwional sees TV broadcast, cinema or festival screening as same. c) like authors, real writing happens on white pages, serially ordered, between covers. You are special to get there. Real film makers produce real programs/shorts/features that are serially ordered between credits. You are special to have your work made/selected. On the net anyone can do it, therefore the lowest common denominator rules, and I am not part of that (I'm a film maker after all). d) I own your screen. I own all of it. On the net you own your screen. I couldn't possibly show my film at 320 x 240, or heck, even 640 x 480. e) the quality is too bad (this is result of bad compression but was an issue once upon a time). f) it might get stolen (of course if you don't put it online and you are lucky enough to get into a festival, your work might be screened once at the wrap party, once at your own premiere, and once at the festival...) There are other reasons but I find the easiest way to explain it to others (which I've done a few times in papers and conference presentations) is that if you think about how authors responded to the web in 1995 (you mean everyone can read my work? cool? hold on, links, you mean they can go elsewhere? and you mean my beautiful perfect structure should be granular with links inside, no way) is much the same problem confronting trad. professional video and film people right now. -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: Tuesday March 20/21st FlashMeeting
Meeting in progress, come on in. I'm at VON. Link: http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/4de0ca-7758 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Tuesday March 13th FlashMeeting is on at 5:00pm - 7:00pm PST USA, 8:00pm - 10:00pm EST USA, 0:00am - 2:00am GMT (March 21st). Enter through this link: http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/4de0ca-7758 You may also check the FlashMeeting page at flashmeeting.cirne.com for future and past Videoblogging FlashMeetings at: http://flashmeeting.cirne.com/index.php?title=Main_Page (I've put up a page off my domain, cirne.com, since voxmedia.com is acting a bit slow lately. I'll also be updating, voxmedia.) -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com
[videoblogging] Re: Vote Different Editting
Well heres what happens when someone tries to do the exact same thing but with Obama instead of Hilary, but doesnt have access to the right tools or techniques: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dycbAsB9-psNR Im guessing you havent gotten all the answers yet because the answer is rather long. There are so many different techniques that could be required to make a modification to a scene look pretty seamless. I wish I was proficient enough at this stuff to answer your specific examples but I am not very good with such tools. After Effects is certainly one, Im not sure of an excellent cheap or free alternative, there are other alternatives that are fairly expensive. Some things can be done automatically rather than frame by frame, people try to avoid that wherever possible as there are just too many frames. But for a short sequence or something real special, or that no other auto or semi-auto tool seems to handle, manual editing of frames is one way to get results. If you dont get enough answers then try searching the web for terms like compositing, rotoscoping, keying At a guess people who are good at this stuff are also good at finding the sorts of footage that wont require almost impossible manipulation to work. Its usually easier if the source scene camera isnt moving much, for example. Im also guessing that even with the right tools, footage and knowledge, lots of time can be consumed in the all important final polishing stages which can make the difference between something good and the video I linked to earlier. Other forms of mashng together existing footage can be done a lot easier and faster, such as cruder mixing together of video samples, or splicing clips of someone to make them say something different. These are also more likely to be accoumplished in even a basic video editing package, as opposed to the generally more expensive compositing/animation apps. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Aldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, et al, I'm glad the discussion came back to my question about tools to use to make a video like that. Yes, I know that the video was a reworking of the classic 1984 Apple advertisement. I know that a lot went into making the original advertisement. What I was trying to ask, and I haven't found a good answer, is how does one go about making a new video, like Vote Different through editing existing videos. The closest I've gotten, so far is from someone off the list suggesting that After Effects could probably be used to do something like that. Could this have been done with After Effects? How much work is it to get proficient enough in something like After Effects to modify a video the way they did? Are there other tools that are better? Are there open source tools? To get more specific, at about three seconds into the video, you see the drones marching in with three video monitors in the upper left hand section of the screen. These monitors have a video of Hillary playing in them. How difficult is it to take a video and add it into a section of another video? At about 6 seconds, 15 seconds, 20 seconds, and 38 seconds the image of the runner is modified to have an iPod and an Obama graphic. How difficult was this? How much of this do you need to do on a frame by frame basis, and how much can be automated with something like After Effects? On a more general basis, how many of you on this list have done this sort of editting to any of your videos? How many of you know how to do it? Aldon --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack BillCammack@ wrote: Is that your answer to the poster's question about tools to use to make a video like that???
[videoblogging] Re: call out
around the 21/3/07 Gena mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: call out that: I tried to leave a comment on and the heart quickens but I think visitors have to be a member of Word Press or something? Anyway, I checked out a few of the videos and so far I think that she executed the concept well. I have to say that I don't like the scary bugger in videos but this worked fine. I wish more videos would play with text and images. thanks Gena I'll change things in there so you can leave comments. We have had spam issues and since we're in a uni we really don't want kiddie porn spam turning up in old posts! We will be doing more work with text and image, though since these are students who are, to be blunt, not from a creative arts background, it often just gets very difficult to get very far since all the interesting things aroudn the relation of text, video, etc just sort of sail past them. Likewise many are still wondering why we are doing a series of constrained formal exercises (whereas if they had an instrument or an art practice they would get much more quickly that we are doing a series of études or sketches on the way to something else). -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: Jeff Pulver petition that Internet Video is not Subject to FCC Regulation
Ouch heres a c-net story on he same topic: http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6169002.html That one touches on the possible differences between being a blogger, a journalist, an actor/entertainer. Also features quotes from Amanda that seem to suggest that new media is all about breaking rules. Still it sure does seem like people are taking issue with it because of Amandas ABC work, so I dont know if someone without mainstream news affiliation would come under the same scrutiny. So this situation may not be comparable for the sorts of regulatory issues that the network2 petition is designed to prevent, as it involves a traditonal broadcaster. Still if its more of an issue if ABC does it, what does that say about the perceived credibility of blog journalists, why doesnt it matter so much if they do ads? And where are the people who used to talk about preserving the integrity of the blogosphere, are they still out there blogging about this stuff? Meanwhile all of these questions as applied to advertising and integrity on the net, could also be raised when it comes to political videos, funding for them etc. So that would be another reason why some might be interested in legislating some rules about video on the net. Great timing to have these 2 things happening at the same time, yet to see how many people really care about this stuff though, until it affects them. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh it seems that the Amanda Congdon DuPont adverts has caused some to start ranting about the sorts of advertising issues the EU draft legislation proposes to cover in our part of the world. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2007/03/abcs-rocketboomer-powered-by-dupont.php So there seems to be a situation where Amanda is allowed to do corporate ad work wheras other ABC staff arent allowed to do that sort of thing in case it calls ABC's impartiality into question? As for the actual adverts, hard har they are a modern equivalent of those corporate public info films from the middle of last century that can be found in the prelinger archive. And DuPont is an easy corporation for critics to attack from multiple angles, so I doubt she's going to get a particularily easy ride in the blogosphere over this one. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Amanda Congdon is now in various DuPont adverts on the internets, at least I know they are adverts, I dont want to live in a future world where its impossible to know whats an advert and whats a show. Still as an Englishman Im not too sure of my own stance here so maybe I stand even less chance of any citizens of the USA joining me if any of that stuff about the free market and deregulation that gets spouted over there is actually believed by the multitude and not just the few with access to the traditonal quack amplifier. Lets see if at least 27 years of loud 'big government is evil' rhetoric will enable sadvertisers to get away with more in a deregulated wonderworld of the future. I hear theres a flat tax in Iraq now, wooo lucky Iraqi's, not. Cheers Steve Elbows
[videoblogging] Top tip: dont send death threats via youtube!
http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6168638.html Agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement served a search warrant on YouTube and Hotmail as authorities looked into alleged death threats made against a potential witness in a drug case, according to a report. Cheers Steve Elbows
[videoblogging] Re: my two cents
1) Minority bloggers on this list can introduce themselves if they want. No surprise that the digital divide in technology and access to broadband is reflected in vloggers as in other parts of society. No doubt there are more white guys vlogging than women and people of color. That said, there are lots of vloggers of color and women vlogging. 2) To see vlogs from different parts of the world, check out vlogmap.org. You'll notice a lot more vlogs in North America and Europe than the rest of the world. Still, there's some cool stuff out there in the wider world. 3) Like with any mass of people there are many cliques, not in a bad way; that's just the way people socially organize. I think there can be a certain camaraderie among people who started vlogging around the same time. I've seen tons of people start vlogging and become active and influential in their own way. Seems pretty open to me. Some of the early people who started this list or were on it early like Jay Dedman, Michael Verdi, Zadi Diaz, and a bunch of other people have been very active in creating compelling work, writing books, speaking to conferences, teaching, etc. and remain very influential. But that doesn't mean they or anyone else control what's going on. It's too big for that. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, JOHNNIE WARNER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .well you know johnny(which is a great name, spelled a little funny but still a great name) when i look at the videos and discuss with my circle of friends, vlogging seems to be used synonymously with youtube ie. Hey johnnie, did you youtube that new software for the treo or Johnnie, i've seen your youtube on creating and viewing your email on youtube.(i know it sound kinda ridicuoulous, but that is what videocasting/vlogging has been refered to outside of this group and those associated with it. Almost like .blackberry, being coined as the modern day smartphone/handheld or ipod being coined as mp3 player. Its nothing more than perception being ones reality, which bring me back to my original questions again which is a perceived reality in a sense for me. Where are the minority bloggers - is their a group, inner circle or clique kinda like the blogher movement??? just a questions So i guess that make this my 6cents now huh... thanks johnny for the reply On Mar 20, 2007, at 11:22 AM, jonny goldstein wrote: YouTube is a rich stew o' flavors and interactions. I'm a big fan. I don't see why you couldn't call them vloggers too. It's all video on the web w/comments. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, JOHNNIE WARNER johnnie.warner@ wrote: with all due respect to the indepedent video bloggers here . (independent meaning on your own website or blog) you tube has yet to let me down with it entertaining yet meaningful videos- sometimes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzHjIj3fpR8NR its funny that people have no clue as to how big video on the net (vlogging, videocasting etc. is, when in fact it has been proven how interested people are in others peoples lives such examples below... -reality tv- people court real world lost (not to mention the first reality show) COPS! -america's funniest home video which i'm pretty sure that i've seen some of those same videos highlighted being once aired on AFHV. just my two cents. but i guess if i had three more thoughts i'd have a nickel - huh from the couple of vloggers that have identified their selves here, 1.where are the black vloggers, 2.where are the mexican vloggers 3.where are the asian vloggers of this community - just my nickel worth of questions on the diversity of this community that i take so much away from. happy vlogging! On Mar 20, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Gena wrote: It's true according to Yahoo. I want a special award to the best of the Shakira clones. The bigger the man belly the better. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070319/ap_on_hi_te/youtube_awards Gena Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links http://www.oneinthehand.blogspot.com The only Treo Training Video Cast in the World [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] new freevlog!
it rocks! _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rupert Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:46 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] new freevlog! How my poor heart aches, with all the fun you make. I'll be watching you. On 20 Mar 2007, at 14:18, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage wrote: In another moment of amazing synchronicity, I was listening to Every Breath You Take from the Police's 1983 album Synchronicity when I read all this. On 3/20/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:rupert%40fatgirlinohio.org o.org wrote: Nice! In a moment of amazing synchronicity, I found your announcement just as I was coming to show Freevlog to the first of my friends who has ever expressed an interest in video blogging. Just yesterday I posted a message here saying how none of my friends has ever been interested. So. If you build it, they will come! Looks very pretty and as easy to use as ever. You guys are brilliant. Rupert http://www.fatgirli http://www.fatgirlinohio.org nohio.org http://www.crowdabo http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/ ut.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/ On 20 Mar 2007, at 04:08, ryanne hodson wrote: hey all check out the new freevlog http://www.freevlog http://www.freevlog.org/ .org/ we made a much needed update to the tutorials: http://freevlog. http://freevlog.org/tutorial org/tutorial we're still working on a couple extras but the basics are there and boy do they look good!!! so send your friends and feel proud about the OUTSTANDING QUALITY that is FreeVlog.org. -ryanne and verdi -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfe http://pixelodeonfest.com/ st.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl. http://tinyurl.com/me4vs com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit. http://RyanEdit.com, com, http://RyanIsHungry http://RyanIsHungry.com .com Educate http://FreeVlog. http://FreeVlog.org, org, http://Node101. http://Node101.org org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWil http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com lVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalv http://wreckandsalvage.com age.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: call out
Cool. I would think that there must be a way to time out accepting comments after 10 days or a month or so. Yeah, those spam ghouls are relentless. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: around the 21/3/07 Gena mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: call out that: I tried to leave a comment on and the heart quickens but I think visitors have to be a member of Word Press or something? Anyway, I checked out a few of the videos and so far I think that she executed the concept well. I have to say that I don't like the scary bugger in videos but this worked fine. I wish more videos would play with text and images. thanks Gena I'll change things in there so you can leave comments. We have had spam issues and since we're in a uni we really don't want kiddie porn spam turning up in old posts! We will be doing more work with text and image, though since these are students who are, to be blunt, not from a creative arts background, it often just gets very difficult to get very far since all the interesting things aroudn the relation of text, video, etc just sort of sail past them. Likewise many are still wondering why we are doing a series of constrained formal exercises (whereas if they had an instrument or an art practice they would get much more quickly that we are doing a series of études or sketches on the way to something else). -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: call out
Great to see you back, I was droning on about multimedia and stuff some weks ago and I called out your name, I was expressing nostalgia for the sorts of experiments you shared here a couple of years ago. Im mucking around with WPF/E to mix media on webpages in experimental ways but I havent got very far yet, its partially inspired by some stuff you touched on years ago with your quicktime stuff. I'll post a link once it gets somewhere and WPF/E is out of beta. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: around the 21/3/07 Gena mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: call out that: I tried to leave a comment on and the heart quickens but I think visitors have to be a member of Word Press or something? Anyway, I checked out a few of the videos and so far I think that she executed the concept well. I have to say that I don't like the scary bugger in videos but this worked fine. I wish more videos would play with text and images. thanks Gena I'll change things in there so you can leave comments. We have had spam issues and since we're in a uni we really don't want kiddie porn spam turning up in old posts! We will be doing more work with text and image, though since these are students who are, to be blunt, not from a creative arts background, it often just gets very difficult to get very far since all the interesting things aroudn the relation of text, video, etc just sort of sail past them. Likewise many are still wondering why we are doing a series of constrained formal exercises (whereas if they had an instrument or an art practice they would get much more quickly that we are doing a series of études or sketches on the way to something else). -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: new freevlog!
It looks fab! Yeah! Keep on rockin' in the Freevlog! (I was trying to keep up with the musical references...) Bekah -- http://www.missbhavens.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey all check out the new freevlog http://www.freevlog.org/ we made a much needed update to the tutorials: http://freevlog.org/tutorial we're still working on a couple extras but the basics are there and boy do they look good!!! so send your friends and feel proud about the OUTSTANDING QUALITY that is FreeVlog.org. -ryanne and verdi -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] It's quick and funny.
EVIL JOHN SEZ: regular JOHN sez that you guys helped out on the making my videoblog, i don't remember seeing any of you there, but i guess information and inspiration account for somthing. but not much. watch my damn video, it's only two minutes long. then tell you friends. if you got any. http://themudthebloodthebeer.blogspot.com/2007/03/i-got-camera-bitches.html EVIL JOHN OUT! ~regular john, here, sorry about my evil twin, but please check it out. thanks. and thanks for the help.)
[videoblogging] Re: Tuesday March 20/21st FlashMeeting
This is all too unreal. I signed in this evening and sat there for about ten or fifteen minutes--with no one else there. The entrance said Tueesday Flash meeting- Wednesday. I called a friend and closed the window. Usually I forget or try to sign in on Saturday after it is over, etc. Someone should be there at the beginning of the meeting. At least the sign shouldn't say Wednesday even though the meeting began on time with no one there. This is the second time I've signed in on time, waited a few minutes and then given up thinking it was the wrong time. I actually skipped an anti-Iraqui War demonstration at the World Trade Center, light show and all, because (1) I was exhausted and (2) I could socialize via the flash meeting. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken., NJ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meeting in progress, come on in. I'm at VON. Link: http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/4de0ca-7758 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote: The Tuesday March 13th FlashMeeting is on at 5:00pm - 7:00pm PST USA, 8:00pm - 10:00pm EST USA, 0:00am - 2:00am GMT (March 21st). Enter through this link: http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/4de0ca-7758 You may also check the FlashMeeting page at flashmeeting.cirne.com for future and past Videoblogging FlashMeetings at: http://flashmeeting.cirne.com/index.php?title=Main_Page (I've put up a page off my domain, cirne.com, since voxmedia.com is acting a bit slow lately. I'll also be updating, voxmedia.) -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: my two cents
Delurking to point out just a FEW of the MANY Filmmaker/Video Artists who Videoblog or Videoblogged or use video in their blogs, some of whom are right here in the videoblogging group: Aaron Valdez Abe Linkoln Matt McCormick Jonas Mekas (OK, it's not free but still, one of the grandfathers of experimental film for pete's sake!) Jennifer Proctor Miranda July Caveh Zahedi Charlene Rule Joshua Kanies Duncan Speakman Me the list goes on and on. these are just the names that came immediately to mind (and I'm really sorry to any of my own filmmaker friends not listed above - brain is sleep deprived at present). And there are dozens if not more who post what are absolutely works of cinema for the web in many of their videoblog entries, including pionner vloggers like Jay Dedman and Ryanne Hodson and Mica Scalin and others who may or may not call themselves filmmakers as well as videobloggers. Yes, there are HUGE HUGE HUGE and very real issues about posting your work online, esp. work that is intended for other venues, but after 30 minutes of trying to compose a post about all of that I realized it's not a post, it's an article, and I at least wanted to point out in light of the previous comments that we do exist. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Valleywag says vloggers are the new conference elite
http://valleywag.com/tech/vloggers/the-new-conference-elite-244485.php Wibble. Steve Elbows
