I have a pretty good idea what's been happening downtown and what's not been happening in the rest of the city having lived there most of my life. Chess pieces are great, but there is a long way to go before positive progress is achieved; regular neighborhoods need to start turning around.
I honesty don't think that Detroit is not at the stage to support two large techno festivals, especially since they are not together. I hope it can, but I don't see it. If this new festival would have been scheduled, say the following weekend after Movement, I could see some of the "unity" and community the article alludes to. After parties and day raves could have been the glue and the two fests the book ends. And no, I have no idea what Carol does for a living. What I do remember is that a lot of people weren't paid when she was last at the helm and next thing I heard she moved on and started ravestivals in other cities. Kudos to her. If she's been sleeping on a bed made of money this whole time, why did it take a decade for DEMF to come back? Just curious. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:21 PM, "U&I Design" <uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I know there's a lot of out of towners that will pick one versus the > other... but truthfully, I know a helluva lot of folks that will > appreciate the fact that they can put travel options into their > calendar. Not everyone in the world is available Memorial Day > Weekend... we'll get more people coming here if they have two > different months to choose from. I'm just saying this is the feedback > that I've gotten from friends of mine overseas. > > And as for "where did all this money materialize from"... you must > have no idea what Carol does for a living, or what has been happening > in the city in the past 6 months... and no, I'm not talking about the > bankruptcy... check out what's occurred with the Detroit 300 > Conservancy and their Event Calendar, look at all of the changes to > downtown, the Chess Boards with life size chess pieces people are > playing on the sidewalk, all of the recent stores that have popped up, > there's some really crazy things happening here... and there's plenty > of money available if you know the right people, have a good idea with > good planning behind it, and most importantly, a well connected team > to implement it. > > Detroit's changing... and I 100% believe there's room for 2 major > Electronic Music Festivals of this size here in our city. I can't > wait for the conference, and I will be paying the money, it sure is > cheaper than me traveling to Miami's WMC, and considering its in > Detroit, I can guarantee the conference / technology part itself is > gonna be way sweeter than WMC... I mean, seriously... why are people > complaining about this idea? > Jodie Svagr > > 313-915-1164 > uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com > Events, Promotions, & Development > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Denise Dalphond > <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The idea is interesting, but the reality is kind of strange. I suppose there >> is room, ideologically and spatially, for ten festivals, but it's doubtful >> that there will be enough people and money to fulfill expectations. >> >> The Real Detroit article is terrible. The writing is so bad (I'm a writer, >> that's why I'm focusing on it). And yeah, Rachel Skotarczyk seems to be >> Crazy for Carol. There's a weird, one-dimensional sense of history in the >> article. I take it personally cause I write about this stuff and it's so >> important to me. I try to not get so worked up, but geez, you guys. >> >> The talk of unity is an everyday theme around Detroit. Everyone wants it. >> Some make it happen. The best unity is the stuff that happens every day of >> the year in small ways. True support and camaraderie. It does happen. >> >> The tech part at Ford Field gets my nerdo vibes going, but no way I'm >> spending that kind of money for it. >> >> The thing that is worrisome is that Carol Marvin already damaged >> relationships with Derrick, Kevin, and Carl, and now she's dealing with Juan >> and Rik. It will be interesting to see what actually comes of it. I'm with >> Jwan, wait and see. >> >> If this thing really does happen, and Cybotron plays, you know I'll be >> there. (I only have to drive a short distance.) BUT YOU KNOW I'LL BE >> THERE!!!!! >> >> Denise >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM, kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I went to Detroit Taste Fest on the 4th of July weekend 2002, and saw >>> War, Joan Jett, and John Aquaviva. Top that, Carol Marvin. >>> >>> I am going to try hard to be around DEMF weekend, but I may not >>> actually go to the festival. It's tempting to go back again in July. >>> The weather in July is more to my liking anyway. >>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alex Lugo <alugo...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> And there is always this timeless gem: >>>> http://www2.metrotimes.com/music/story.asp?id=3296 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:17 PM, Alex Lugo <alugo...@yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> While having two festivals will be great locally, it will be interesting >>>> to >>>> see how this pans out demographically with foreign visitors. There has >>>> been >>>> a slight resurgence of folks from abroad coming back to Movement. >>>> >>>> With two festivals to pick from most people from outside of the area >>>> will >>>> pick one or the other and the majority will not be able to do both. >>>> Regardless of what Ms. Marvin tries to diplomatically brush over with >>>> the >>>> "there should be 10 techno festivals a year" line, this is a direct >>>> competition with Movement, and not admitting admitting that is >>>> interesting. >>>> >>>> I guess the lineups will be key. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:15 PM, U&I Design >>>> <uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> There already seems to be some confusion about this on here. You guys >>>> should find your facts from actual media outlets, not social facebook >>>> or whatevers... >>>> >>>> There's a good article about it on Crains. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20131120/NEWS/131129990/campus-martius-will-turn-into-global-dance-party-for-electronic# >>>> >>>> Real Detroit has another article with some great quotes too. >>>> >>>> $300 is for the conference element at Ford Field. The free fest will >>>> be surrounding Campus Martius Park with 5 stages. >>>> >>>> I've heard the hullaballoo about Carol for years, and then had the >>>> pleasure to work with her at Campus Martius for many years there >>>> after. She has her quirks, and I know a lot of people who've had >>>> troubles with her, I myself have had a few worrisome moments, but >>>> she's overall a solid person, and seeing that she's gonna do this, >>>> well, it makes me think there's some real force behind it. She's had >>>> to have put some serious time into the planning of this thing. We'll >>>> see how it pans out, but I think the interview she did with Real >>>> Detroit is pretty solid, and she's right... Detroit has room for 10 >>>> Techno festivals a year, with this new DEMF festival / FEMT >>>> conference, we'll be half way there... >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 11/20/13, Kevin Kennedy <the...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Carol Marvin. That is all. She once chastised me in a public forum >>>>> for >>>>> saying DEMF and not saying Movement. I've moved on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Arturo Lopez >>>>> <arturo.m.lo...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why the hell will anyone want to pay $250 + for this? $1200 for VIP? >>>>>> The >>>>>> fuck? >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I missing something or is this as stupid as it sounds on first >>>>>> look? >>>>>> >>>>>> -Arturo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Chris Czub >>>>>> <ashgromn...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main >>>>>>> event >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> ford field is $250: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> who knows what the "free" event will be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen >>>>>>> <jwan.al...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some >>>>>>>> notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of >>>>>>>> logistics, >>>>>>>> which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to >>>>>>>> plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a >>>>>>>> moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the >>>>>>>> limit on any last minute preparations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, >>>>>>>> I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them >>>>>>>> attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer >>>>>>>> booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez >>>>>>>> <arturo.m.lo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What say you, 313 listers? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Arturo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Technoir Audio >>>>>>>> http://www.technoiraudio.com >>>>>>>> "dealing with your imperfect world" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> FBK >>>>> >>>>> Absoloop/Orange 82 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jodie Svagr >>>> >>>> 313-915-1164 >>>> uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com >>>> Events, Promotions, & Development >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Another question none of the articles have answered at this point is >>>> what >>>> the free area in Campus Martius will have musically vs. the $300 for >>>> Ford >>>> Field. >>>> >>>> This seems to be using the same paradigm as Ultra/WMC used for a bit, >>>> albeit >>>> not with two large outdoor venues. >>>> >>>> Also curious as to where all of this money materialized from. Time will >>>> tell. Rachel Skotarczyk (Real Detroit) seems to be truly infatuated with >>>> Ms. >>>> Marvin. >>>> >>>> There is a lot of talk in the article of unity, but honestly, not seeing >>>> how >>>> that can be true regarding these two festivals. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Denise Dalphond >> www.schoolcraftwax.com
