Thomas D. Cox, Jr. said: "so what is traditional? are you saying song
structure is
traditional?"

Yes, that's it exactly.  I'm not going to get into the debate about which
style of techno is better per se.  However, I do believe that innovation in
form is an essential aspect of all forward thinking music, whether we are
talking about a techno record, or Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, Pierre
Boulez, Gustav Mahler, John Cage, etc.  The desire to return to a
traditional song structure, to "songs I can hum and whistle while I work" is
in my opinion a form of musicial regression.  Techno music has made a
contribution to the developmnt of modern music, with its open ended form
which is a continuous variation of a single object, an object I call
10101010 (ie. the quarter note bass drum and the up beat hi-hat.)  While
this form is in essence perhaps the most basic human rhythm imaginable, one
which surely dates back thousands of years, techno has shown that this
rhythm can in effect be infinitely varied and stretched out into eternity.
It is as if there is only ONE imaginary techno track that into itself
contains all possible variations, and all existing techno tracks are simply
subsets of that imaginary track.  The universality of techno's basic rhythm
allows it to a truly universal human phenomenon, something that can be
accessed and understood by humans from all over the globe regardless of race
or creed (which is not to say that individuals cannot bring their own point
of view to any given production.)  A techno set is like a collective
ennunciation, it is more like a basic, primal aspect of humanity being given
group expression, than the traditional Romantic notion of some lone artist
giving expression to his/her own personal "genius".  The producers who have
created the music remain anonymous, and the final sound heard in a techno
set could be regarded as a collaboration between the producers and the DJ.
In contrast to this, I'd note that traditional song structure is inherently
designed to reinforce the pseudo-individuality of the consumer, with its
cheap emotional tricks and a its simplistic structure.  In reality, techno
is the TRUE FACE of pop music (in the broadest sense, including all songs
with tunes you can hum and recognizable verses and choruses), it is pop
music laid bare, turned into a skeleton, it is the empty surface that pop
music ALWAYS was but which pop music pretended not to be.  The human face of
the song, the pretty melody and the touching lyrics only serve to better
conceal what is inhuman.  Only music made by robots can tell the truth about
the world we live in.

That being said, don't think I won't sing along if I hear a song I like.
I'm not any more immune to my environment than anyone else.

.dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: (313) t-1000 interview (techno rant)


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: spw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>I can understand why some people mature out of techno not
>that the music is immature it's that people become more
>conservative at an old age.

i dont see why you think people become more conservative. what id
say instead is that people just become tired of hearing
substandard and uninteresting music after so many years. im only
23 and im hardly "mature" but i swear ive listened to enough music
in the last decade that if i hear another hard banging dance
record im going to have to stab someone. i just dont have time for
something that elementary anymore, not when i can spend my time
listening to better music. this goes for all styles of music, not
just techno. same goes for rock, jungle, techno, house, whatever.

>This is why adult contemporary music sounds so cheesy because
people's
>brains go into parental mode after their sexual prime, I think
this is what
>you see whith artist like Carl Craig who are interested in more
traditional
>forms of music.

so what is traditional? are you saying song structure is
traditional? what about the structure of jazz? certainly, looped
music goes back waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy farther in
history than the structure of jazz music does. saying that minimal
drummy music is new is pretty shortsighted considering the idea of
african drum music is probably the first idea of music.

tom

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