1.  Whether freedom is desirable, is not my point.  But I'd argue very
strongly that file sharing has tremendously increased my freedom as a
consumer.  I now have a choice.  One could say, in fact, that I
participate in a kind of musical communism, as I support record labels
as an ethical decision, even though I can already get the product for
free.  I take what I wish, and pay as I am able.  I also give back
musically in the form of the many free or very low-paying shows I have
done throughout my life.  From some ethical perspectives this is wrong,
but to me this is a step in the direction of what would actually be a
more humane and ethical society.  This behavior doesn't make sense from
an ideological economic perspective.  But economic models should not be
mistaken for reality.

2.  You seem to have a very pro-capitalist view of art, that "the
incentive and the ability to create" only come from a profit motive.  I
know many talented musicians, composers, and artists, who make very
little at their art, and often do more commercial work to subsidize the
art they really care about.  I don't think the economic incentive
argument applies very well to artistic human behavior.  I wear a tie to
work every day, in part, so that I no longer have financial pressure
when I work on music.  Now I get to work on the music I really care
about for its own sake.  I don't get to do it full time, but that is the
nature of the society we live in, and these issues have been a problem
for talented artists long before mp3s ever came around.

3.  I fear the end of the "golden age" of free music, will only increase
the power of corporate entities.  My belief is that the real fear the
big labels have about file sharing is that it will weaken the channels
of corporate distribution.  All the power the record labels have centers
on distribution and the kind of mass marketing an economy of scale on
that level makes possible.  If consumers started getting their music
from anywhere and everywhere, they might be less interested in buying
the HIT-OF-THE-WEEK just because a huge label pumped a bunch of money in
to it to make it the next big thing.

4.  I think the new paradigm for music is simple.  Information truly IS
free, because it is costly to contain, and it tends to spread as if of
its own accord.  There are plenty of capitalistic ways to turn
file-sharing into a strength, rather than a weakness.  Instead of
selling the information, you sell packaging, you sell shows, you sell
services.  You sell products that are "special" that amount to more than
the musical data stored inside.  There are many possibilities out there
for creative and motivated people! 

-David

-----Original Message-----
From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:40 AM
To: David Powers; '313 Detroit'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech

i'm not sure if "freedom" should allow for the unregulated trade in the
intellectual property of others without their permission. This
influences
the incentive and the ability to create.

i think that at this time, if composers and labels wanted you to have
their
music for free, they would offer it.... and many do from their websites.

the web is the most efficient music distribution model ever, and the
vast
majority of music consumers are prepared to have their entire
collections in
a digital format.

i think we're kinda living in a golden age of free music, but things
will
slowly change and hopefully there will be shift in power away from the
major
labels that dictate how music is to be consumed.




on 23/9/03 9:34 AM, David Powers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Well, maybe, but once again, I might point out I bought four records
> this weekend.  3 of the records, I have MP3s of the albums I bought,
and
> have been searching for the record.  The fourth is an artist I
> discovered in part by checking out his MP3s.
> 
> I also discovered "The Sea & Cake" through mp3s this weekend, because
I
> saw a poster for an upcoming show of theirs here in Chicago.  Now,
> because I liked the music I heard, I intend to go see their show.  I
> will probably buy an album of theirs on vinyl also, if I see it
around.
> 
> I think that many others would have the same outlook as my own.  Of
> course, it's always scary to put ethical choices in the hands of
> consumers.  But then, isn't that what "freedom" (if that word means
> anything at all anymore) is all about?
> 
> -David
> 
> PS.  I never did try out Groovetech.  I prefer shopping in stores but
I
> do use planetxusa.com sometimes.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: 313 Detroit
> Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
> 
> Now maybe the impact of rampant file sharing and burning stuff becomes
> clear... Think about it...
> 
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>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech
>> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:49 AM
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>> Well, it was a good run. And they will go down in history as one of
> the
>> best shops to never have a shop.
>> Hmmm, wonder what will happen to the archived music sets?
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>> MEK
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>> "Phonopsia"
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>> Subject:  (313) Au
> Revoir
>> Groovetech
>> 09/20/03 12:46 AM
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>> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,9-2003431875,,00.html
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>> Tristan
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