Fair enough. For me the beginning of the end was when Charlie went on top of
the pops. Dont get me wrong it wasnt the Charlie sample or anything that I
liked, it was just hearing a sound that wasnt quite like any sound you had
heard before for the first time. Ditto tracks like Cubik,  Track with no
name by Flowmasters and countless others that I cant think of off hand. I
was perfectly able to go home and appreciate a bit of Model 500, Rhythim is
Rhythim or Nexus 21 and then go mad to something like The Horn track down
Sterns on a Saturday night. Yeah, it was music purley for getting off your
head too, but hey, when I was 17 thats pretty much all I did!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Placid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stewart Caig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Hardcore u no the score (was rob hall etc)


> for me, when i heard charlie for the 1st time..(i was in the zap club,
> at a tonka party) it was the beginning of the end.
>
> my beloved house was being dirtied by this horrible breakbeat, sampled
> disposable music...
>
> for many, it was the start of something fresh and unique, their own
> stamp, a uk thing, which was all good....
>
> i jus didn't get it.  in fact i still don't get it...music for purely
> for getting off your head to but lacking any depth...kind of belittles
> the whole thing for me....
>
> but then i am very picky and closed minded...
>
> p
>
> Stewart Caig wrote:
>
> >>>C'mon let's face it,  hardcore, whether it was 'ardkore, or happy was a
> >>>big pile of sh*t and had the musical content of a cheese sandwich
> >>>
> >>>
>
> >>>Yeah but most the hardcore stuff from back then was never meant to
stand the
> >>>test of time and have any great musical merit. It was largley made by
people
> >>>who liked doing Es and was made for people who liked doing Es. Maybe
not all
> >>>the time, but it was music that was all about the moment. Anyone who
was
> >>>caught up in that era such as myself will always find it hard to fully
> >>>dismiss that music no matter how crap a lot of it sounds now because it
was
> >>>still the soundtrack to hundreds of pilled up nights that helped make
me the
> >>>person I am today. Yeah, I was digging a lot of 'better' music back
then,
> >>>but I haven't experienced many better buzzes in my life than being
pilled up
> >>>to the eyeballs and hearing $hit like Charlie for the first time. So
what if
> >>>it doesn't hold up musically, it made me wanna dance like a loon when I
was
> >>>17 and there's something to be said for music that JUST does that and
> >>>nothing more. Having said that though I do shudder when I think of what
half
> >>>my record collection back then sounds like!
> >>>
> >>>Stu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>

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