"pauley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/09/2007 07:48:47 PM:

> Isn't the point that at the moment there's a lot of minimal releases that
> sound like a lot of other minimal releases?

Yes, that is part of my point.  Too much of the same.  Why does "minimal"
dictate how you program your beat?
If minimal is supposed to be stripped to the bare essentials why is it a
4/4 beat with kick - hihat - kick - hihat?  Who is dancing to the music
that they can't follow another beat pattern?

> And of course if you're not
> super into minimal then the 'subtle nuances' that differentiate each
minimal
> release are kind of evasive...

Exactly, is minimal made for and by studio geeks and their friends?  Seems
to me like it's been hi-jacked and driven down that road.
Frankly, I don't hear much "minimal" being all that minimal anymore anyway.
There's a million and one micro-edits going on.  Probably more than you can
hear in a casual listening.  It's become quite dense really.

>
> I liked that quote from that berlin/party dvd "they'll dance if you bang
a
> spoon on a pan" or something along those lines...it sort of fits with
what
> MEK finds unfathomable about this genre...

I'd dance to a spoon on a pan as long as the beat is interesting.  I just
don't find the same pulse all night that exciting.
imo, there's far too much sameness within the majority of "minimal"
releases.

MEK

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:48 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) What's happened to rhythms?
>
> On 1/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > With the emphasis on that kick and hihat it's difficult for my ear to
> > not focus on that.  I know with minimal stuff there's tons of other
> > things going on but eventually, if things don't change up, that "boom
> > tsk" starts to get magnified until I'm ready to puke.  Same goes with
> > any techno that sits on bang-bang-bang all night.  Yawn.  There's so
> > much of that sort of techno out as well.  Too much sitting in one
> > place.  Maybe it's just the instruments assigned to the patterns.
> > Imagine a drummer in a band that just played the same beat out on a
> > kick, a snare, and a hi-hat.  I thought the funk was in the rhythm?
>
> i like minimal straight hats and kicks as much as the next man, but to me
> theyre most effective when mixed up with other beats and rhythms. a
minimal
> acid cut sounds good all the time, but it REALLY sounds good when youre
> mixing it into some weird electro or disco cut. too few people are out
there
> switching up the rhythms. detroit deejays are usually good for that kind
of
> thing though, derrick may, shake, and theo parrish are extremely notable
> cats who will play all sorts of different rhythms and make the "boring"
> techno beat sound so good because of the juxtaposition.
>
> tom
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