1. i said Mixer Incs. referring to whatever fill-in-the-blank trash music
pub you choose.
2. I'm clearly stating who you work for and how you might be protecting your
own interest, as you accuse others.
3. You never did a 'feature' on Mixworks. And the ONE time you mentioned the
night in your column, you refered to Buzz Goree, veteran dj, as pulling on
his 'old-school contacts' to build the night. We werent sure what that
meant, but you never asked one of us how we built the night, so that was at
least inaccurate, if not presumptuous. You also said that Adriel (local
promoter) was a member of Underground Resistance, when he is neither that
nor involved with the night anymore. Lastly, when you covered Octave One --
you barely scratched the surface and in my opinion, did nothing to educate
the reader, but rather threw extremely untarget, unshaped questions at them,
requiring THEM to do the work. How journalistic.
Good events and good music do not need you to report nor twist what the
essence and motivations are behind them. Please don't ever cover my night
again -- I'll do it myself.
And as far as the Laura/Juan thing goes -- first, you're wrong in those
presumptions about how they earn their livelihood AND you're discussing the
innovator of what we call Techno and all your insifnificant sub-genres
created to make the egomaniac journalists sound smart when they cant gauge
quality on their own (is this cool to say is cool??) as well as one of the
innovators of dance music marketing and electronic artist representation.
She built the very industry and artists you crawl behind and drunkenly give
shout outs to on the motor stage so famously.
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To: keleigh casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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Subject: Re: [313] Regarding Business
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:50:37 -0500 (EST)
number one-
the magazine you are refering to is mixer. i have not ever written for
them.
#2- almost every single detroit artist of note has played motor, so i
don't want to hear about it.
#3- you didn't seem to have a problem with my politics when i was doing
features on your night.
THis entire discussion began when laura posted a completely unsolicited
tirade about how everyone should work to make the sasha and digweed show a
failiur because their sucess damages her and juans livelyhood.
that is plain-old wrong and as an active member of the electronic
community in Detorit, I felt obligated to counter her argument.
I've always had a great time at mixworks and other Detroit-centric events.
However, I will not limit myself to an us against them method of
appriciating music or operating my business.
Whenever there is a Detroit based event, I encourge ppl to attend, whether
trough my writing, or though personal channels. But i will NEVER
discourage ppl from attending any event because it goes against my
personal taste.
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, keleigh casper wrote:
> >my intention was to correct certain ppl who make their living off of
>juan
> >adn feel the need to discredit other artist in a vague attempt to >up
their
> >income.
>
>
> and in that vein, who pays your bills (???) mr. i work for motor and
> freelance for ad-driven, cheese filled, put lil' kim on the cover cuz
she's
> made of plastic and played a record once in tokyo magazines?
>
> so are you discrediting the innovators, the musicians, the
history-altering,
> no matter how 'dusty', in a vague attempt to up yours?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> ><313@hyperreal.org>
> >Subject: Re: [313] Regarding Business
> >Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:17:39 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >my intention was never to slap juan.
> >my intention was to correct certain ppl who make their living off of
juan
> >adn feel the need to discredit other artist in a vague attempt to up
their
> >income.
> >
> >although, in a moment of blatent self appraisal, i suppose i have taken
a
> >few shots at juan in the interest of promoting otehr artist who i
> >personally feel deserve the attention more than he does.
> >
> >we're only human.
> >
> >On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I cant believe what bullshit this list is. dont you fools
> > > know that the music knows no color? cant you people
> > > remember the days when no one knew what color the guy
> > > putting out the record was and you just listened to it
> > > for, *gasp* the MUSIC?
> > >
> > > This list bickers and bitches about race more than detroit
> > > techno. I doubt that Juan would be making racist sounding
> > > comments. why would you talk shit about the man when you
> > > can EASILY contact him and hash things out with him? dont
> > > you think he (or you if you were in his position) would
> > > prefer that?
> > >
> > > you know he reads this and yet you continue to slap him in
> > > the face with unsubstantiated rumors and other bullshit.
> > > I dont consider myself a fan or his, but he seems like a
> > > nice guy and for that matter, who on this list deserves
> > > the cumulative bullshit you cats are so eager to dish out?
> > >
> > > as for DEMF, its free to get in, and free to get out. I
> > > suggest if you are displeased with it, either dont go, or
> > > leave... more room for the people that are there for the
> > > music, not to say they went to demf all 3 years.
> > >
> > > is this where some of you try to guess my color? I would
> > > bet you have already, after reading the above.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > this is my opinion. I welcome yours.
> > >
> > > -Joe
> > > _ns_
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Uh No the DEMF was not a Detroit clique thing and even if
> > > it was it is called
> > > the DETROIT ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL.
> > >
> > > you must be a person living outside of the us or in the us
> > > in a white skin
> > > and ignorant of history.
> > >
> > > UR and Atkins are pioneers of this music and get no respect
> > > from the business
> > > end.
> > >
> > > why should Elvis or Eminem make more money and get more
> > > credibility than Ike
> > > Turner or Redman???
> > >
> > > Because in AMerica white people doing Black art is always
> > > seen as a
> > > marvel.......
> > >
> > > Look at NYSYNC and the list goes on. Look at Black rock
> > > group Fishbone. Are
> > > you telling me they are good enough to get paid.
> > >
> > >
> > > The point is this; the people who run the business are full
> > > of isms that
> > > determine who gets the spotlight.
> > >
> > > No one is denying anyone their right to listen to what they
> > > want but don't
> > > forget the history.
> > >
> > > I spoke with a Black rocker in NYC and he told me that many
> > > A & R men didn't
> > > know what to do with Black guys playing soulful rock music.
> > >
> > > The record executive behind Digable Planets told them they
> > > were not hard
> > > translate "black enough" for hip-hop.
> > >
> > > So Juan is in the same position......
> > >
> > > I don't have time to break this down anymore but Juan is
> > > not crying he's
> > > simply commenting on the truth; the music business is run
> > > by a bunch of
> > > culturally biased and/or ignorant people who have definite
> > > ideas about the
> > > value of the music based on their racist crap.
> > >
> > > if anyone does not understand where I'm coming from I will
> > > make one more post
> > > I don't have a lot of time to keep repeating this tired
> > > story.
> > >
> > >
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