jesus h christ. you have no idea who i am. #1 i have never siad anythign in the motor mic about detroit. i don't get on the motor mic.
#2 i don't particularly care what you think about the music magazines i write for. #3 i wouldn't do a feature on 'mixworks'. the comment about buzz pulling the old-school contacts is something that he said to me personally. as for the octive one piece, i wanted to talk to lenny about what's important to him, and that is the new music, the new emphasis on production quality and their re-invigorated push towards propely marketting their music. don;t let your priorities overshadow the artist's. #4 i explained to you and everyone else in private that the adriel thing was a typo. #5 laura stated in her message that sasha and digweed and the system that makes them popular keeps juan down, therefore restricting the financal rewards for each of them. On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, keleigh casper wrote: > 1. i said Mixer Incs. referring to whatever fill-in-the-blank trash music > pub you choose. > > 2. I'm clearly stating who you work for and how you might be protecting your > own interest, as you accuse others. > > 3. You never did a 'feature' on Mixworks. And the ONE time you mentioned the > night in your column, you refered to Buzz Goree, veteran dj, as pulling on > his 'old-school contacts' to build the night. We werent sure what that > meant, but you never asked one of us how we built the night, so that was at > least inaccurate, if not presumptuous. You also said that Adriel (local > promoter) was a member of Underground Resistance, when he is neither that > nor involved with the night anymore. Lastly, when you covered Octave One -- > you barely scratched the surface and in my opinion, did nothing to educate > the reader, but rather threw extremely untarget, unshaped questions at them, > requiring THEM to do the work. How journalistic. > > Good events and good music do not need you to report nor twist what the > essence and motivations are behind them. Please don't ever cover my night > again -- I'll do it myself. > > And as far as the Laura/Juan thing goes -- first, you're wrong in those > presumptions about how they earn their livelihood AND you're discussing the > innovator of what we call Techno and all your insifnificant sub-genres > created to make the egomaniac journalists sound smart when they cant gauge > quality on their own (is this cool to say is cool??) as well as one of the > innovators of dance music marketing and electronic artist representation. > She built the very industry and artists you crawl behind and drunkenly give > shout outs to on the motor stage so famously. > > > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: keleigh casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [313] Regarding Business > >Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:50:37 -0500 (EST) > > > >number one- > > > >the magazine you are refering to is mixer. i have not ever written for > >them. > > > >#2- almost every single detroit artist of note has played motor, so i > >don't want to hear about it. > > > >#3- you didn't seem to have a problem with my politics when i was doing > >features on your night. > > > >THis entire discussion began when laura posted a completely unsolicited > >tirade about how everyone should work to make the sasha and digweed show a > >failiur because their sucess damages her and juans livelyhood. > > > >that is plain-old wrong and as an active member of the electronic > >community in Detorit, I felt obligated to counter her argument. > > > >I've always had a great time at mixworks and other Detroit-centric events. > > > >However, I will not limit myself to an us against them method of > >appriciating music or operating my business. > > > >Whenever there is a Detroit based event, I encourge ppl to attend, whether > >trough my writing, or though personal channels. But i will NEVER > >discourage ppl from attending any event because it goes against my > >personal taste. > > > >On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, keleigh casper wrote: > > > > > >my intention was to correct certain ppl who make their living off of > > >juan > > > >adn feel the need to discredit other artist in a vague attempt to >up > >their > > > >income. > > > > > > > > > and in that vein, who pays your bills (???) mr. i work for motor and > > > freelance for ad-driven, cheese filled, put lil' kim on the cover cuz > >she's > > > made of plastic and played a record once in tokyo magazines? > > > > > > so are you discrediting the innovators, the musicians, the > >history-altering, > > > no matter how 'dusty', in a vague attempt to up yours? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > ><313@hyperreal.org> > > > >Subject: Re: [313] Regarding Business > > > >Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:17:39 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > >my intention was never to slap juan. > > > >my intention was to correct certain ppl who make their living off of > >juan > > > >adn feel the need to discredit other artist in a vague attempt to up > >their > > > >income. > > > > > > > >although, in a moment of blatent self appraisal, i suppose i have taken > >a > > > >few shots at juan in the interest of promoting otehr artist who i > > > >personally feel deserve the attention more than he does. > > > > > > > >we're only human. > > > > > > > >On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > I cant believe what bullshit this list is. dont you fools > > > > > know that the music knows no color? cant you people > > > > > remember the days when no one knew what color the guy > > > > > putting out the record was and you just listened to it > > > > > for, *gasp* the MUSIC? > > > > > > > > > > This list bickers and bitches about race more than detroit > > > > > techno. I doubt that Juan would be making racist sounding > > > > > comments. why would you talk shit about the man when you > > > > > can EASILY contact him and hash things out with him? dont > > > > > you think he (or you if you were in his position) would > > > > > prefer that? > > > > > > > > > > you know he reads this and yet you continue to slap him in > > > > > the face with unsubstantiated rumors and other bullshit. > > > > > I dont consider myself a fan or his, but he seems like a > > > > > nice guy and for that matter, who on this list deserves > > > > > the cumulative bullshit you cats are so eager to dish out? > > > > > > > > > > as for DEMF, its free to get in, and free to get out. I > > > > > suggest if you are displeased with it, either dont go, or > > > > > leave... more room for the people that are there for the > > > > > music, not to say they went to demf all 3 years. > > > > > > > > > > is this where some of you try to guess my color? I would > > > > > bet you have already, after reading the above. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > this is my opinion. I welcome yours. > > > > > > > > > > -Joe > > > > > _ns_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Uh No the DEMF was not a Detroit clique thing and even if > > > > > it was it is called > > > > > the DETROIT ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL. > > > > > > > > > > you must be a person living outside of the us or in the us > > > > > in a white skin > > > > > and ignorant of history. > > > > > > > > > > UR and Atkins are pioneers of this music and get no respect > > > > > from the business > > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > why should Elvis or Eminem make more money and get more > > > > > credibility than Ike > > > > > Turner or Redman??? > > > > > > > > > > Because in AMerica white people doing Black art is always > > > > > seen as a > > > > > marvel....... > > > > > > > > > > Look at NYSYNC and the list goes on. Look at Black rock > > > > > group Fishbone. Are > > > > > you telling me they are good enough to get paid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point is this; the people who run the business are full > > > > > of isms that > > > > > determine who gets the spotlight. > > > > > > > > > > No one is denying anyone their right to listen to what they > > > > > want but don't > > > > > forget the history. > > > > > > > > > > I spoke with a Black rocker in NYC and he told me that many > > > > > A & R men didn't > > > > > know what to do with Black guys playing soulful rock music. > > > > > > > > > > The record executive behind Digable Planets told them they > > > > > were not hard > > > > > translate "black enough" for hip-hop. > > > > > > > > > > So Juan is in the same position...... > > > > > > > > > > I don't have time to break this down anymore but Juan is > > > > > not crying he's > > > > > simply commenting on the truth; the music business is run > > > > > by a bunch of > > > > > culturally biased and/or ignorant people who have definite > > > > > ideas about the > > > > > value of the music based on their racist crap. > > > > > > > > > > if anyone does not understand where I'm coming from I will > > > > > make one more post > > > > > I don't have a lot of time to keep repeating this tired > > > > > story. > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
