yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean they will like
derrick may or kevin saunderson's stuff.
i know i don't like most of it, even though i am a die-hard
fan of the artists you mentioned, as well as of "hip"
minimahl music....

fab


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Da : "Toby Frith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A : "kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "list 313"
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Oggetto : RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
Data : Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:44:56 +0100

> The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip"
> can only be a good thing. 
> 
> More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction,
> M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That
> ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators.
> It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed
> the London techno scene.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41
> To: list 313
> Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
> 
> 
> The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I
> listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when
> individual tracks come up on shuffle.
> 
> I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a
> dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a
> revolution in music, not so much because it has been
> revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a
> new relationship between the music and the listener. The
> best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional
> as any other sort of dance music.   The worst is just
> boring.   Worse than that, it's a sort of music that
> appeals and encourages an audience of people completely
> off their faces on drugs.  Give me something with a little
> soul and variety anyday!
> 
> It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to
> realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is
> as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. 
> I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster'
> neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my
> shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters,
> were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid
> the dreaded hipster signifiers.
> 
> Being hip is too exhausting for me.  You'll always be
> trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal
> vigilance will keep you from staying with something
> formerly cutting edge, now declasse'.   It's like surfing
> -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing
> over you.  I'm content to like what I like and let someone
> else sort it out.
> 
> But I digress.  Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my
> estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at
> first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before
> dismissing it.
> 
> 
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