Yes, i agree with you about dubstep. I would not say this in a list
that's not very dubstep friendly, and i've already said this, for
sure, in the dubstep forums. In the dubstep forums i stand up to
other genres, like techno. :-)
The "this" i would not say, but i got to, is: the same downpath that
drum n' bass traced, dubstep is tracing right now. Producers with no
sensibility or no feeling are taking their 15 minutes of fame with
angry wo-wo-wo basslines and agressive drum rolls. The macho thing is
gonna create a paralysis.
But well... in other way of looking at things, dubstep is not only
dubstep. Drum n' bass was not only drum n' bass. Jungle was not only
jungle. You got to see this things all together as the urban music
from the uk. As a mutanting thing that keeps revolving. And all of
these styles, such as dubstep, they are not functionally made based
on drugs or drugs headspace. Drugs are all around, yes. But dubstep,
when it was born, and drum n' bass, when it was born, were much more
about pavement, the city, the boroughs, the crew, it's urban music.
They were connected directly to the beat shapped by and for the
"kids", the expression of a moment in urban culture and its musical
pulse. I don't know how things are moving right now – (recently,
there are was a big night with all dubstep main producers at ministry
of sound, in london...) – but there was no strobe light in dubstep
nights. No clubism, no search for escapim, as you can find in the
majority of trance related music and trance club scene.
What i see on the bright side is that the best contributions of
jungle, drum n' bass, grime, dubstep, they produce the seeds for the
uk urban music to show his freshness from time to time. I like to
look at the timeline and see how things evolved since first raves
untill now.
Kw
On 26/04/2008, at 12:15, darnistle wrote:
You don't need to be on drugs to appreciate psytrance, though the
music may "click" more if you've experienced the drugs and can
relate to the headspace the music comes from. Same is probably
true of any musical form that is closely linked to certain drugs
(dub and pot, gabber and speed, etc)
Personally, I loved psychedelic trance when it was goa and the
music was coming from an LSD and mushrooms headspace. As it
morphed into psytrance, the whole feel of the music changed and
lost much of what first caught my interest. Suomisaundi is really
the only style in that scene that still inspires me with its
musical abandon and sense of humor.
Dubstep seems to have gotten as staid and singular as psytrance
did. I loved the whole 2Step sound and like the early dubstep that
still showed its perky 2Step roots, but now much of the dubstep
I've heard is a dreary sludgefest and all too similar sounding.
This style of music could be so much more fun than most of it is.
Its like a macho-man mentality crept in and got rid of all the
bouncy and perky "girlie" aspects of 2Step to focus on being
harder, darker and skankier than the next guy.
I can't really think of that same mindset showing up in Detroit
techno. Perhaps my perspective is limited, but even when it is
very hard, dark and minimal I don't get the same "macho boys club"
feeling from Detroit techno. When I lived in Ann Arbor and clubbed
in Detroit, I didn't get that sense overall from the music I heard.
Is it just me, or has the Detroit techno scene managed to sidestep
the "macho boys club" musical mentality that seems to eventually
plague most other scenes?
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Frank Glazer wrote:
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???
as a former psytrance dj who can still appreciate it to some extent
(shutup tom;) i fail to see any comparison at all between the two,
except perhaps that you really need to be on massive quantities of
drugs to "get" either one.
i hate dubstep though. i have a soft nostalgic spot in my heart for
psytrance, but god damn is it way too fast for me now, and it has
gotten much worse than it used to be, in general.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:59 PM, J.C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
It's the new Psytrance, remember.
Even with that as the case though, there have been SOME tracks
that have
moved me. MOST though..... ;)
On 23 April 2008, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
i still cant be less impressed with dubstep. it annoys me to no end
how much people are on its jock.
tom
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