Are you talking net or gross?  My friend started working for GM around 2000 and 
his hourly wage was around $18-$20 and I was jealous at the time.  

FTR, I am not anti GM or Ford, I just refuse to buy their cars as I got tired 
of spending time/money on fixing them.  Plus, the service at my last Ford 
dealership was outright terrible.  This collapse, if it happens, will be 
tragic.  Very sad.

Poor business models don't have much longevity.   When did Ford or GM start to 
offer hybrids?  Last year?  It's not a secret that fossil fuels are limited in 
quantity.  Also, I think the financial sector has made just as many bad 
decisions as the automakers have.       



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From: theREAL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Business Automotive industry 'If General Motors were to lose 
out, I think Detroit would go under

No, but I don't have to. I worked there for 31 years - 28 of it right 
down on the assembly line. I know enough to say with authority that 
nobody made that kind of cash unless he or she worked some hefty 
overtime hours. On the 40 hours that I got most of the time, I pulled in 
right around 40k a year.
Anyone who says anything else (and as I retied an International UAW-GM 
rep, I have some knowledge here) about the average guy on the line doing 
a normal work week is full of BS. I've read many an article which 
inflated our wages, our benefits, our time off, and what we made while 
laid off which spun some pretty tall tales.
I'm not saying it wasn't a good paying job with excellent benefits. I'm 
saying don't believe everything you read about a job most people simply 
would not do (I'm talking the assembly line here). It can be an 
a$$kickingly hard place to work, and the jobs which aren't are few and 
far between these days.

                                                                        
                                jeff
> Anyone remeber the article in the Free Press about the janitor at GM making 
> 60 or 70k a year when he retired?  
>
> 

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