On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 02:13:53PM +0000, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> >> C++ and java feel highly inconsistent and are full of stupid busywork
> >> and strange programming philosophies that you have to "learn" about,
> 
> I've written programs in both languages and you don't really have to
> worry about the philosophies,
> if by that is meant things like the Pattern stuff, when using the
> standard libraries or collections.

This may be true, but this is not what is being taught at the university
level.  

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