is that my cue, are you calling in my services?! On 8/18/21, Skip Tavakkolian <skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com> wrote: > I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go > on. > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 8:57 PM Lucio De Re <lucio.d...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs <k...@pixelheresy.com> wrote: >> > One Plan Nine? >> > >> > Sure, we have the historical version of the Bell Labs/Lucient codebase, >> > preserved as 9legacy, but yeah we have one currently developed branch >> > of >> > Plan 9 called 9front. Are you proposing that to be called “Plan 9 from >> > Bell >> > Labs 5th edition”? >> > >> I bet you think I don't; you wouldn't ask, otherwise. >> >> > To be serious though, when has monolithic code bases ever benefited >> > things >> > in an Open Source community? >> >> You bought the "exceptionalism" Kool-Aid, lock, stock and barrel, >> haven't you? It's a question of size: a small code base should remain >> small, then it is not weaponisable or monetisable. So we raise the bar >> higher and higher and shake off whatever can't stick hard enough. A >> human natural instinct (more!, gimme more! features! bugs! anything so >> I can have bigger, faster!) bent to the interest of elites (here in >> Africa we know it as the Big Man Syndrome). >> >> > I mean the only reason would be to control who >> > can/cannot make decisions on what goes in the stone soup. >> Do you have incontrovertible evidence? In my caffeine-deprived state, >> I feel you're just following the sheep gospel, no offence intended. In >> my opinion, the trap is always there, ready to be deployed. And the >> masses are always ready to fall into it. Occasionally a Christ figure >> comes along to warn us, but only the elite can understand the message >> and of course they then distort it in the direction that suits them >> best. And the masses are none the wiser, not this time, not the next >> time, not any other time, because the elite can be swapped out >> entirely and the new elite becomes them, ad nauseam. >> >> > There are multiple >> > BSDs. There are multiple Linuxes. Using 9legacy as more than historical >> > baseline means that we will be stuck with decisions put in place 20-30 >> > years >> > ago rather than iterating and moving things forward. The purpose of P9F >> > is >> > to “promote and support” not to regulate. >> > >> Sure, and an infinite variety of vehicles with wheels at the four >> corners and seats that just occupy space and consume carbon-based >> fuels. Even EVs where each wheel could be both motor and power >> generator have retained that ridiculous formula. But they look >> different (sort of, there's greater difference in time than there in >> style). Oh, let's not ignore that autos also sit idle (my estimate) >> 95% of their life: is that what they are designed for? And the AI in >> my phone, is that also sitting idle? I had a couple of instances >> recently where in the middle of the night my password locked Samsung >> J5 decided to continue reading me the SF short story collection I >> turned off before going to sleep. >> >> But Android is Open Source, isn't it? I can look under the bonned, can't >> I? >> >> Well, the P9F is what it is. It will also become what it is naturally >> attracted to unless some boundaries - Trump's fence? - are put in >> place. >> >> > I would love to imagine a time when we have a resurgence of multiple >> > Plan >> > 9s. I would love to see Akaros and 9atom have a shot in the arm >> > [although >> > much of what the latter had seems to be swallowed up by 9front and >> > 9legacy >> > and the project dead]. I would love to see NIX get a little more >> > traction, >> > as it seems it is just a standalone experiment [albeit a cool one in >> > terms >> > of goals]. I think it would be really healthy for Jeanne and Harvey to >> > be >> > more closer to “family” in the community rather than third cousins. Once >> > we >> > have a plurality of opinions, of perspectives, of visions, then we can >> > better broker standards and overall trajectories. >> > >> I'm going to leave this here, with a comment to the effect that I >> totally disagree with the sentiments. There is room, need is not a >> strong enough word for what I'm thinking, for creativity, but software >> is not a primordial soup out of which complex organisms will rise to >> take over the Universe and consume it out of existence, its and >> theirs. >> >> More likely, we'll teach - by example, not intentionally, no - our AI >> products to weaponise the tools we are no longer sufficiently >> naturally intelligent to understand and control (tell me there's a >> difference) and turn us into slaves because, like the human elite, >> they will measure their worth in what they can accumulate (human >> slaves sounds like a neat currency to me, I could use some, it's >> worked in all of human history - ask Epstein), just like their >> creators did. >> >> Nothing to do with Plan 9, of course, because it really is just a drop >> of accidental sanity in an ocean of greed and competition. But, to >> complete the imagery, I'd rather be plankton in a drop of Plan 9 than >> a shark in the Linux Ocean. And I am, to the extent that I support and >> most of all appreciate what makes my ecosystem continue to tick. >> Including any contributions by like-minded or antagonistically natured >> geniuses. >> >> Lucio. >> >> PS: I have a lot of time to think and unfortunately not the means to >> study beyond a rather narrow subject matter. So my opinions are much >> more the result of introspection than of universal knowledge. Take it >> for what it is. >> >> PPS: There is always an elite, its job is to defeat by all means >> available a middle class whose "elite nouveau" continually attempts to >> replace it, by any means available to it. Everything revolves around >> who owns the masses. That's Western Civilisation in a nutshell.
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