Yoh! What can I say?
I kind of cherish being so wildly misrepresented. At least I'm taken seriously, even if totally misunderstood. Lucio. On 8/18/21, Keith Gibbs <k...@pixelheresy.com> wrote: > Come, come, Vester. Please don’t introduce false premises under the guise of > calling them out. I never said that. 9front as the official Plan 9 would be > pretty absurd. > > I never said it was *the* development branch. It is *a* development branch. > I could even imagine that it may in fact be the most popular and active for > those wishing to develop new software on (with 9miller being very popular as > well). > > If fact, I noted other projects... other Plan 9s as well in my initial and > my response to Lucio. I was merely pointing out that Lucio in the past and > in the OAuth thread keeps introducing the idea that the P9F should impose > order and wall off everything but 9legacy [which he implies is the official > one], even to the point of arguing in the past that 9front developers should > port changes that are “good for the community” or some such to the “actual” > Plan 9. > > Instea the charter for P9F's language was written to be inclusive. Why? > Because historically this mailing list/community has been host to discussion > for 9legacy, 9atom, 9front, p9p, etc. Even Inferno or Harvey come up > semi-regularly. As such, it is not outside the general understanding of > “Plan 9” as encompassing a wider berth. Although many of the P9F folk are > contributors to 9legacy, I think they know that the community is broader and > want all of it to be “Plan 9”. > > So in the end, I apologise if it was unclear or confusing that I suggested > to Lucio that 9front was to be "Plan 9 from Bell Labs Version 5”. It was a > joke and everything I wrote following that should have made that very clear > that I was arguing *specifically* for a plurality of Plan 9s rather than a > single one [which Lucio was advocating for]. Lucio seems to hate 9front > specifically for some reason, so the initial statement was intended as > tongue in cheek. > > Both 9legacy and 9front serve important niche functions within Plan 9 space, > but neither *are* Plan 9. There is only one “official” Plan 9 and that was > last updated January 2015. 9legacy positions itself as patch set on top of > V4, but wants to maintain it in such a way that V4 will always function as > V4. 9legacy maintains that it is not a fork. 9front says explicitly that it > is a fork of V4 and a continuation based on it’s core principles. Both have > fed into each other’s ecosystems. Hell, 9legacy’s site even says to run Plan > 9 from Bell Labs rather than 9legacy if possible, which is kind of funny. > And NIX is still active, last I heard, but currently has a closed community, > not to mention Harvey and Jeanne. > > So my main point was that we have a plurality and we *should* continue to > have a plurality. Much like Lucio would find 9front as being blessed as “the > official one true Plan 9” repugnant, so too would others re: 9legacy. A fair > swathe of the Plan 9 enthusiast community want to build and evolve and a > fair swathe want to preserve and maintain, with some incremental quality of > life tweaks added in, and *both are totally valid*. > > -pixelheresy > >> On 18. Aug 2021, at 13.13, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: >> >> Starting from a false premise does not help. 9front is not a development >> branch of Plan 9. Plan 9 is Plan 9. 9front is 9front. 9front is an >> open-source fork or derivation of Plan 9. >> >> Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm >> not sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need >> official recognition. Let 9front be what it is. It can exist independent >> of the Plan 9 name. >> >> Sincerely, >> Vester >> -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9ef6430f3025e731-M0953d9d310af6d87fb35fcff Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
