Hae, I'm really fed up with this topic. it's more than enough, I guess. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air
> Hi Rakesh > In which sector of I.A. is there no concession? > Harish. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr Rakesh Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:24 AM > Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air > > >> As I said, In Indian Airlines, the special class for blind and other >> disabled persons is "M". It has very limited number of seats, may be, one >> or >> two on each flight. In some flights they do not have this class at all. >> In >> such,cases, they do not issue blind concession at all and you are forced >> to >> buy a full fair or any other category of fairs if it is available. I have >> more than once faced this situation. >> >> Dr. Rakesh Jain >> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >> Skype ID: dr.rjain >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air >> >> >>> Hello Rakesh >>> >>> Indian airlines does not discriminate on this issue. If a seat is >>> available, >>> then they will give you discount confirmed seat. However, that is not >>> the >>> case with Jet Air. They have a quota of concessional seats and keep you >>> wait >>> listed. Again, it is a matter of economics. Some other airlines don't >>> offer >>> any concession at all. >>> >>> In my opinion, DGCA guidelines cannot fall on the ticket fares and >>> concessions or any package offered by the airlines. It is frevelous on >>> our >>> part to make any recommendations on it. >>> >>> 1) What we should insist upon is that no airlines can deplane or deny >>> ticket >>> to a blind person who are not escorted. >>> >>> 2) Permission to carry guide dogs without extra cost. >>> 3) To provide wheel chair to the physically disabled without extra cost. >>> >>> Personally I feel it is a non issue regarding the seating preference >>> made >>> by >>> airlines for operational reasons. >>> >>> Let me site an incident which apparently looks discriminatory. >>> >>> I was once flying with my wife and 2 infants on arm. After I boarded, >>> the >>> air hostess came up to us and asked us to sit on either different rows >>> or >>> on >>> another wing. I thought it was ridiculous and obliged unwillingly, after >>> she >>> kept insisting there was some rule to that effect. Much later, I narated >>> that incident to another hostess who was very friendly. She explained >>> the >>> reason for that rule. In each section, eg. a lot of 3 seats, there are 4 >>> oxygen ducts. If there are more than 1 infant in arm, during an >>> emergency >>> there will be a short fall of the oxygen duct. Merely rearranging the >>> seating the problem is solved. >>> >>> By and large when a rule is made, there is a definite purpose for it. We >>> may >>> not readily understand it. It is my guess that, Jet air may be training >>> the >>> crew to first go and attend passengers in the last row first during an >>> emergency. >>> >>> Indian airlines, prefers to seat disabled passengers in the first row. >>> >>> It is in our interest not to disturb this. >>> >>> Harish >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dr Rakesh Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:18 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air >>> >>> >>>> Dear Friends, I think the whole issue of concession is getting >>>> confused. >>>> The >>>> discounted or concessional tickets for blind passengers a class apart >>>> altogether with all airlines. That is, there are limited number of >>>> seats >>>> on >>>> each flight. What we require is that even if there is one seat >>>> available >>>> in >>>> the flight, we must get a confirmed seat. The airlines should not deny >>>> us >>>> the concessional seats if that particular class is full. Suppose, there >>>> are >>>> ten or twenty or maybe two blind passengers who want to fly on a >>>> flight, >>>> according to the present system, all the blind passengers with not get >>>> a >>>> confirmed seat if the low fair seats are full. Concession is not an >>>> issue, >>>> the issue is availability of concessional ticket to blind passengers to >>>> the >>>> last available seat on a given flight. Please give your suggestions. >>>> >>>> Dr. Rakesh Jain >>>> Mobile (Reliance): 09336787900 >>>> Mobile (BSNL): 09415787900 >>>> Residence: 05224001112 and 05222732345 >>>> Skype ID: dr.rjain >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Harish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:01 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by >>>> Air >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Rajiv >>>>> >>>>> Since the advent of the low cost airline concept, the airlines are >>>>> running >>>>> in shoe string budget. Asking for a furthur discount would not carry >>>>> us >>>>> anywhere. makes more sense asking for fascilities. >>>>> Let me illustrate an incident, A full fare between Bangalore to >>>>> Hyderabad >>>>> last year was arround Rs. 5,000, the discount ticket using concession >>>>> would >>>>> come to arround Rs. 2,500. However the reduced fare without concession >>>>> came >>>>> to Rs. 1,200. Can you expect to get any furthur discount? >>>>> Harish. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "disability rights initiative" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 4:22 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by >>>>> Air >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> i have been following this topic with interest and frankly, i admire >>>>>> all >>>>>> of >>>>>> you guys who travel around so confidently without any escorts. but >>>>>> personally, being late blind myself, i am mortally scared of >>>>>> travellling >>>>>> alone. its not the fear of travelling but the fear of falling of >>>>>> steps, >>>>>> escalators, railway platforms and the like and strongly feel that >>>>>> for >>>>>> air >>>>>> travel also escorts should be allowed on discounted tickets like in >>>>>> the >>>>>> railways. i am sure there are quite a few of us who have to travel >>>>>> and >>>>>> are >>>>>> late blind and a little late in life to overcome the fear. it would >>>>>> be >>>>>> a >>>>>> good idea to encourage views from across the list so as to enable us >>>>>> to >>>>>> have >>>>>> a clearer picture. prasana pinchas case and also rajiv rajans >>>>>> case >>>>>> (locomotor disabled with cerebral palsy who was forcibly medicated at >>>>>> chennai for being mistaken for a mentally ill person) filed by hrln >>>>>> has >>>>>> resulted in these guidelines being framed by dgca and ccpd has sought >>>>>> our >>>>>> interventions on these guidelines so i will really appreciate a more >>>>>> vigorous expression of views on this topic. and if quite a few of us >>>>>> feel >>>>>> that escorts should also be allowed on discounted tickets i feel >>>>>> there >>>>>> is >>>>>> no >>>>>> harm in expressing the same. if airlines are offering so many tickets >>>>>> on >>>>>> discounted fares one more for an escort will hardly matter but this >>>>>> is >>>>>> my >>>>>> personal opinion. >>>>>> regards >>>>>> rajive >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Kaja, Kiran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 2:12 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by >>>>>> Air >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I get a feeling that you want to argue for argument sake and do not >>>>>>> want to look at the practical issues and repurcations of your >>>>>>> arguments. >>>>>>> If you cannot travel alone in a flight inspite of the fact that the >>>>>>> airport authorities and airline staff take good care of you, I am >>>>>>> sorry >>>>>>> to say but you better not travel anywhere. Railways do not provide >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> sort of help and so they allow for an escort. This is totally >>>>>>> impractical and unfair when it comes to airlines. If you do not want >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> travel alone, you are always free to take the train. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Secondly, I really don't understand why do people make so much fuss >>>>>>> about seating. There is no way and it is totally unsafe for any sort >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> disabled person to be seated near the emergency exits. And if the >>>>>>> staff >>>>>>> decides that they can help you better by seating you at a particular >>>>>>> place, what is the big deal? They can ask anyone to change seats and >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> just blind persons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Kiran. >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 08 August 2006 2:02 PM >>>>>>> To: ACCESSINDIA@accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> Subject: [AI] DGCA Guidelines for Blind passengers travelling by Air >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of dear, Let us leave somethings for the nodal agencies to take >>>>>>> care. >>>>>>> We >>>>>>> require an escort to assist us during the travel. & we want a >>>>>>> concessional >>>>>>> ticket for an escort. We do not need an escort if Govt. could do >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> us. Let the checking authority take care of verify the veracity of >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> true >>>>>>> escort or a 'business associate'??? We are aware of this fraud is >>>>>>> enough to >>>>>>> know our responsibilities. But facilities could never be denied >>>>>>> upon >>>>>>> apprehensions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seating a blind person at the rear or front-should it be an issue? >>>>>>> Why >>>>>>> should a blind person be discriminated to get allotted a particular >>>>>>> seat?? >>>>>>> Let the crew know where the person is requiring special attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>> changes, >>>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i >>>>>>> n >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>>>>> changes, >>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>>> >>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >>>>>>> 8/5/2006 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: >>>>>> 8/5/2006 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>> >>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>> >>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>> >>>> Send instant messages to your online friends >>>> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://in.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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