dear friendsthis very correct that every person is not comleetely dependent other byut maximum visually person dependently walking any places
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> Date: 1/6/2018 10:47 PM (GMT+05:30) To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: Re: [AI] Learning how to call people out for ableism in a graceful fashion Just bumping this thread because it somehow disappeared from my inbox. On 06/01/2018, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, everyone. > 1. On the mobility issue, I agree that my argument was wrongly worded and I > would like to retract it. As a matter of fact, I do take the help of office > boys to get to my senior's place and have often refused offers from them > that they should come to my desk. > 2. It is not uncommon in our firm for seniors to go to junior's desks to > give instructions and discuss issues. In fact, we don't have a hierarchical > structure and we are all asked to call each other by name. This fellow was > hardly a couple of years elder to me; he is not a partner or in a senior > position. > 3. I must say that I found at least Shireen's views nuanced and well > balanced. Others have completely sought to invalidate my experience and > trivialize it as a non-issue, unfortunately. > 4. As I mentioned in my first mail, I always strivw for unfailing > politeness, so, with great respect, I feel that the lessons on value > education are uncalled for here. Why should you be polite to someone who > treats you like a doormat? > 5. Let me explain things a bit better. I asked the office boy to go and ask > this senior how the affidavits were to be picked out from the pile of hard > copy documents because I could obviously not do this. In return, the senior > said what I set out in my first mail. This is essentially a clerical job > which the office boy had to do. He first came to seek instructions from me. > Then I asked him to seek instructions from the senior who was better > positioned to instruct him in this matter. Then the senior said what I found > offensive. > 6. When substantive legal work is involved, I myself go to my seniors. I > thought this was something the office boy could manage with the senior. > 7. I honestly find Avinash's distortion of the senior's allegedlyoffensive > remark laughable and unworthy of a considered reply. > 8. Imagine this: there are two people - a and b. A can see and b is blind. > There is a task which can only be performed if you have vision. B asks the > person who has to execute the task to seekinstructions from a. In this > situation, isn't a giving these instructions a reasonable accommodation? I > am at a loss to understand how this should be a favour or request. > 9. I am a huge believer in kindness and politeness and strive to practice it > everyday. But to say that one should be submissive and kind in the face of > such behaviour is inappropriate, IMHO. > 10. I also think that it is also wrong to entirely put the onus on the blind > person in this way. The employer is also required to create a supportive > environment and the relationship must be one founded on mutual respect. To > only find fault with the blind person's behaviour while not calling the > senior out at all is wrong, in my view. > 11. I don't use KNFB reader and doubt it would help in reallife work > situations with huge time pressures. > 12. As I mentioned earlier, I have no hard feelings against this person. I > am only flagging an issue that I am confident many disabled people face in > the workplace. > > Best, > Rahul > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:51 PM, avinash shahi <shahi88avin...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Rahul, we don't know about your company and to what extent they >> provide you reasonable accommodation. The narrative you've shared with >> us sounds an ego clash. And he won it. You said he apologized and >> you've no qualms and he helped you also. Isn't it? Why would any >> scenior come to any junior's desk to cull out a particular document? >> And if he/she does it, what's wrong if he/she asks you "how can I help >> you"? And the argument that mobility due to disability mandates >> him/her to visit your desk is self-defeating. You're not on wheelchair >> afterall which brings humungous mobility challenges indoor as well as >> outdoor. In India, We blind people many a times ask >> office-boy/security guards to help us find a cab, reach to a eating >> outlet and going to washroom and they help us out of their own >> volition they are often not paid for their magnanimity. It is thus >> expected of us to realize the thin line where reasonable accommodation >> is provided on the part of employer and assistance/help which we seek >> from colleagues is premised upon our behavior at the workplace. >> Good luck >> >>> On 1/5/18, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I hope this message finds you well. At my workplace, which is a law >>> firm, I recently confronted a situation which I think I could have >>> dealt with in a more graceful way. >>> >>> One of my superiors, who is not the nicest person to put it mildly, >>> displayed blatant ableism and unacceptable conduct. We had to get a >>> hard copy document notarized for filing purposes. Now, when I asked >>> the office boy to request this superior to come to my desk and help me >>> in picking out the documents that had to be notarized, as the >>> documents were at my desk, he called me and said, his voice dripping >>> with condescension, "Tell me, sir, what can I do for you?" >>> >>> Now, I am generally known to have a calm temperament and strive to be >>> unfailingly polite to everyone. However, his response really rubbed me >>> the wrong way, to put it mildly. Later, when he came to talk to me and >>> sensed by my facial reaction that I was not happy with him, he asked >>> me what the issue was. I told him, admittedly in a very combative and >>> aggressive way, that his behavior was unacceptable. What he was doing >>> for me was only a reasonable accommodation which he was mandated to >>> provide. He was not doing me a favour, and it was wrong for him to >>> think that I was ordering him to do something for him. I said this in >>> a way angry and hurt way, as I don't think it is acceptable for anyone >>> to behave in this fashion. >>> >>> I am wondering, in hindsight, if my response was proportionate to his >>> behavior or if I should have reacted in a more graceful fashion. I >>> know that many disabled people face thousands of silent indignities >>> and don't complain about them, because, well, it can jeopardize their >>> career, they have far more pressing concerns and this is just how the >>> world is. But aren't we bound to call people out for ableism, even if >>> it is uncomfortable? >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>> The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >>> >>> You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >>> the >>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >>> >>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>> mails >>> sent through this mailing list.. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Avinash Shahi >> Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU >> >> The list has now migrated to www.accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >> >> You should now post to the id: a...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in >> >> >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. 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