I think, here technology come to use. We can use GPS to do the same. Though it sounds good idea, the practical application is not so easy, seems distant also. Smil... :-)
On 9/7/11, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote: > Idea is not bad, > But my basic question is, how can we guide the horse after seeting on his > back? In the case of dog, we can understand where we are going by following > some habbitual landmarks. Because we walk on the road. But how can we do the > same by seeting on his back? It sounds ok to go on routine task like from > our home to work place. But how can a VI manage to go to some new place with > horse? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "m.chandrashekar" <chandru...@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog > > >> hello friends, in my view, instead of giving training to the dogs, better >> to give training to the horse, how to take blind people on the road, in >> the trafic area etc. so that, we can go independently anywhere. this is >> not imposible if we think in this direction. need not to use public >> transport. >> with best regards >> m.chandru >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Adina Galani" <lotusflowe...@gmail.com> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >> >> >>> In training a guide dog, one shouldn't "follow" a procedure, but get >>> trained for. We can all follow procedures but there are certain >>> unpredictable aspects which can come in a dog behaviour which can get us >>> stumbeled when it comes to pure procedures following only. On top, there >>> is a level of compatibility one should count with, between the dog and >>> the would be owner, as we can't just get the golden retriever from the >>> pat shop and get it trained for a person, as they may just not get along >>> at all well in the reality. Then, training, from both sides is a nonsense >>> >>> only. So, one needs a school for this, not a private trainer, I feel. >>> Not necessarily being for a dog in a flat, because of smell and hairs, I >>> >>> still feel, all the more in India it is not an easy task to keep one and, >>> >>> on top to hugely invest on the whole thing. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>> >>> >>>> The new Persons with Disabilities Bill, 2011 states that every state >>>> must create an institution for training guide dogs. >>>> >>>> I think Shirin Merchant knows what she is talking about. >>>> She has extensive knowledge on this subject, and she also told me that >>>> a guide dog will be very helpful, but I will have to work hard to >>>> create a suitable environment for using a guide dog. >>>> The procedure which she intends to follow for training guide dogs is >>>> exactly similar to the procedure that is followed by the best guide >>>> dog training schools in the world. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 05/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Vetry dont confuse issues. Nitin Sule is a "he" and lets not get into >>>>> the >>>>> legal aspects of police complaints. I can only warn everyone who he may >>>>> >>>>> come >>>>> in touch with. >>>>> >>>>> Shirin is training dogs for other purposes and I know she has been >>>>> successful. She is not going around soliciting the visually challenged. >>>>> >>>>> I am >>>>> aware that in the US and UK it does cost a lot of money to train dogs >>>>> so I >>>>> was curious how much she would estimate it for India. She has not taken >>>>> money from anyone. >>>>> As for the other issue of the law and the problems at the ground level- >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> know how to surrmount those but what is the point of discussing it >>>>> before we >>>>> have a sample dog and an owner who will face the system. >>>>> >>>>> What we need to do is find a trainer who has some understanding of the >>>>> situation and methods and a few owners who will try then as we go along >>>>> >>>>> we >>>>> can think of the sponsorships and the law. The law always folows the >>>>> requirement in Society. Kanchan >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:32 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Now that it's clear that she is running a scam, Can't someone launch a >>>>>> complain? >>>>>> >>>>>> Vetri. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I have sent a mail to Nitin Sule asking him to respond to these >>>>>>> allegations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 05/09/2011, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> She said that the total cost might be more than 3 lakhs. >>>>>>>> But she didn't specifically say how much money we will eventually >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> pay. >>>>>>>> She said that we can also ask some organisations to help us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 04/09/2011, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Please dont go near Nitin sule. He really sounds nice but our >>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> not beengood. Ask him if he has trained one dog and who is using >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> dog. >>>>>>>>> Ask him about the money he took from about 20-30 visually >>>>>>>>> challenged. >>>>>>>>> What does Shirin mean by very very high- how much did she say. Was >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> thousands or in lakhs and how much will it get reduced by corporate >>>>>>>>> sponsorships? Kanchan >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 4:20 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, I didn't know that Dr. Nitin Sule has done this to so many >>>>>>>>>> blind >>>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>>> I have spoken with him many times, and he seems to be such a nice >>>>>>>>>> person. >>>>>>>>>> This is really shocking! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Shirin Merchant says that she will be able to train and provide a >>>>>>>>>> guide dog to me within a few months. >>>>>>>>>> But the only issue is that she says that the cost of training a >>>>>>>>>> guide >>>>>>>>>> dog would be very, very high. >>>>>>>>>> She also told me that some corporate houses might be willing to >>>>>>>>>> help, >>>>>>>>>> so the cost would get a bit reduced. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> People all over the world have to face the same problems that are >>>>>>>>>> associated with using a guide dog. >>>>>>>>>> Just saying that it will not work in India is not a solution. >>>>>>>>>> 20 years ago, even JAWS and all other screen readers were not used >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>> anyone in India. >>>>>>>>>> Today, we find that almost every visually impaired person, who >>>>>>>>>> has a >>>>>>>>>> computer, uses JAWS. >>>>>>>>>> We have to fight for our rights. >>>>>>>>>> Why should visually impaired people in India not enjoy the >>>>>>>>>> privileges >>>>>>>>>> that are enjoyed by visually impaired people all over the world? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 03/09/2011, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Visually challenged people all over the world are commuting on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> public transpotation system and that's not an excuse to deny >>>>>>>>>>> guide >>>>>>>>>>> dog >>>>>>>>>>> usage. But unfortunately we don't have enough of >>>>>>>>>>> institutionalized >>>>>>>>>>> mechanism to train and distribute such dogs in India. Naturally >>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>> individuals take advantage of it and try to cheat us. The best >>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>> at this stage is to have awareness and of course fight for our >>>>>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>> to utilize multiple mobility aids including guide dog. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Vetri. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 02/09/2011, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> As per my openian, it is very difficult to use guide dog in >>>>>>>>>>>> indian >>>>>>>>>>>> situations. Especially, many of us are depend on public >>>>>>>>>>>> transport >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> city >>>>>>>>>>>> bus or local train, then how can we carry them with us where we >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> manage >>>>>>>>>>>> us with very much difficulty? >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:32 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Guide dog >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do not go to Nitin Sule. he has taken money from many of >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not given any of us a dog let alone a guide dog. If he is still >>>>>>>>>>>>> wandering >>>>>>>>>>>>> around the visually challenged then please let me know. I would >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> happy >>>>>>>>>>>>> to complain to the police. Be aware and Be careful. I know >>>>>>>>>>>>> atleast >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> others who have been cheated by him and I am sure I will be >>>>>>>>>>>>> able to >>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> few more. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If any one of you met him please ask him what he did with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>>>> took from several visually challenged in 2005. No dog, no money >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>> telephone call to apolagise. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shirin trains dogs for the police and she was not willing to >>>>>>>>>>>>> train >>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the visually challenge but if she is now willing then you >>>>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>> ask >>>>>>>>>>>>> her. Its been a long time since I last met her. I dont think >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> really qualified to train guide dogs in India. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kanchan >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Rahul Bajaj" <rahul.bajaj1...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:44 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] Guide dog >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about getting a guide dog for the last few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> months. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I even contacted Dr. Nitin Sule and Shirin Merchant for this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are the only people who can provide guide dogs to people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> living >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> India. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else here use a guide dog? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do share your views on this matter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd really like to know what everyone here thinks about using 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